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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:07 PM Original message |
PPP poll is out - Brown 51 Coakley 46 |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Could be worse |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. In what respect, Charlie? /nt |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. Within reach for Coakley but she'll need a huge push from today's rally... |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why exactly is this in the Presidency forum though? |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. everything is |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. I haven't followed this race. I'm just shocked. SHOCKED |
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HillGal (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
46. If your shocked now, read this |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. Oh my God. Fuck this state, and fuck everyone who...just fuck. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. What's your sense on the ground? |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. No. I see a shitload of Brown signs everywhere, but yard signs don't win elections. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. That's some nice blind rage there, Mr. B. |
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Ildem09 (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 02:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
76. Fuck MA? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #76 |
86. It should be directed at the voters |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. I'm sorry, but if that poll is true--it's over. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. It's within the margin of error |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. However, the pollsters are Democrats so that could be wishful thinking. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. No, it's not wishful thinking, it's statistical thinking. |
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SpencerS (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Recount. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It's just a poll. And it's a tie, statistically speaking, since it's in the margin of error. |
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SpencerS (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. They Left Out Joe Kennedy, Again |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I have read that Kennedy's support could be as much as 2%, so if it is down to 3% |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
39. Thank you for pointing these things out. How can a poll be accurate when they don't factor in a |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
68. That troubled me about the PPP poll, too. The other thing that |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
87. It may be tough to poll an election like this |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
10. Within the margin of error means IT'S STILL A TIE. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. That isn't what MOE means |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. It means that another representative sample could have gotten the |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. it means that 1 out of every 20 |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. It would make me feel good (better), if it was 48-47 Brown |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. But different polls have her ahead. This race is too close to call. n/t |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Your right, this is just one poll of many and apparently it didn't include all varibles. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. No, it means that there is a 1/20 chance that the results would not fall somewhere |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. If we have a 5 point CI around our lower estimate |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #14 |
40. Yeah, without factoring in the independant candidate. n/t |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
20. Isn't that what it always |
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Kdillard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
21. Sucks but hopefully Coakley will be able to squeak it out. |
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SpencerS (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Democrats Need To Come Out To Vote |
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Blaukraut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. Pollster.com has a ray of hope for the Dems |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. This may have some truth to it. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I don't know why, but I am feeling a New Hampshire 2008 redux here |
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Grand Taurean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. I am with you. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
52. You mention how quickly the numbers shifted without ascandal or a bombschell |
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Grand Taurean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
70. That is my question to. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I find this very interesting....lack of enthusiasm vs enthusiasm for taking part in a robopoll |
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jezebel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I hope this is true. I just cannot even fathom what is going to happen if Brown wins. nt |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
50. Interesting to read. |
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SpencerS (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Plus, |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. |
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Blaukraut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Settle down, Beavis. It's not over til the naked guy's daughter sings |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Think in terms of William Hurt's character in "History of Violence" |
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Blaukraut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
36. Their internals are all kinds of fucked up |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Cognitive dissonance |
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DFLforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Sounds like the typical independent voter |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. That last one is a doozie. n/t |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
63. Some very odd ones indeed |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
37. I refuse to believe this polling. And, I think by posting it you are doing nothing more than trying |
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HillGal (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You say that to everybody who posts something you don't like. You said it to me too. NT |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I don't believe in polls, they all can be manipulated to get the results they want |
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HillGal (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I didn't believe the polls either when they said Hillary was losing, sometimes they're wrong but |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Well this time they are very wrong. n/t |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. PPP are Democrats. So what kind of manipulation are they doing? |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. For one, they forget to poll the independant. |
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SpencerS (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:45 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Yup, |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Did you read the text of my post? |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I don't think you should have posted it at all. Why not just post the race is tied within |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 04:53 AM Response to Reply #59 |
81. pathetic. you're like a child sticking her fingers in her ears and chanting loudly. |
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inthebrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:54 AM Response to Reply #37 |
64. You go Keyboard Warrior |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
44. I think Coakley will pull this out. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #44 |
60. I am with you. n/t |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #60 |
72. Voters tend to come home on election day. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #44 |
62. For some reason, I do too |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Polls can be off quite a bit, and they can miss late movements. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
65. Perhaps the Independents are going the way of the GOP because they don't want that ... |
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SpencerS (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Same Thing, Over, And Over... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 01:15 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Oh stop throwing those lame canards our way. This horrible MANDATED bill is |
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SpencerS (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 01:32 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Blah, Blah, Blah. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 02:11 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Even if Coakley loses, I imagine big insurance will manage to buy one Republican senator. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 03:43 AM Response to Reply #65 |
79. I want to win |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
73. 538.com updated, Nate crunched this poll and the other polls. Result: Toss-up. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
74. If Obama dumps the mandate, I'll get back on the phone! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
77. Is this the same PPP poll showing MA approves of Obama by 43/44%? |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 02:39 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. It is because they are looking at and polling the so called likely voters |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
80. Go Martha!!! Beat the slick packaged empty suit, with the empy promises and lies. n/t |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
82. So, a majority of people in this poll want to continue Kennedy's legacy, but will elect Brown to do |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
83. Dems outnumber R's 3 to 1 in MA. Look under the hood! R's are not working for you! |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
84. Disturbing but not surprising considering the circumstances this country is in.. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-18-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
85. BTW, its not the end of the world even if Coakley loses.. |
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