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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:45 AM
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Joe Conason: What Would the GOP Do? They Often Lose, But Never, Ever Retreat
WEDNESDAY, JAN 20, 2010

What would the GOP do?
Democrats should consider the behavior of Republicans: They often lose, but never, ever retreat

BY JOE CONASON

How do Republicans react when they lose at the polls? This is a question that Democrats should ponder as they nurse the painful wounds inflicted by the Massachusetts special Senate election. Based on the history of the past decade or so, the answer is simple and instructive: While the Republican Party may indulge in backbiting and recrimination and occasionally purge a leader to punish a loss, they don’t back down -- even when standing fast seems very costly.

Perhaps the most outstanding example in recent memory was the 1998 midterm election, held just four weeks after the House Republicans had voted almost unanimously for a highly partisan impeachment resolution against President Clinton. Contrary to the hopes of the GOP leadership, the predictions of mainstream analysts and the usual historical trends, voters then repudiated the Republicans, increasing the number of Democrats in the House by five seats. It was the first time in more than 60 years that the party of an incumbent president had won a midterm election. Yet the Republicans, unchastened by public opinion that ran strongly against impeachment (and in favor of a censure resolution over Clinton’s extramarital misconduct), proceeded with their crusade to oust the president who had been reelected overwhelmingly in 1996. They didn’t even permit a floor vote on a censure resolution. And although they eventually ousted then-Speaker Newt Gingrich, partially as punishment for the bad midterm result, that had more to do with his personal unpopularity than any real differences over policy or politics. If anything, the congressional Republicans became more ideological and more determined to enforce their will.

Next came the 2000 election, a hotly contested campaign from which the Republicans drew the lesson that whether they actually win a majority of voters or not, they can prevail anyway in a lawsuit -- so long as they control the majority of the Supreme Court justices. Aside from losing the popular vote in the presidential election, by the way, they again lost seats in the House and Senate in November 2000. Did that second consecutive drubbing shame or embarrass them? Did they reconsider their policies, move sharply to the left, abandon long-standing objectives, plead for bipartisan comity? No, of course not. Instead, President Bush and the reduced Republican congressional contingent aggressively pursued the policies they have always supported. Indeed, the most notable aspect of Bush’s first year in office was how smoothly he abandoned the moderate-sounding, "compassionate conservative" rhetoric of his campaign for the agenda of the hard right. And he won early victories on taxes, faith-based funding and other issues, even as his own popularity dwindled before 9/11. Then they crushed the Democrats in 2002 and 2004.

By 2006, Bush’s attempt to dismantle Social Security and the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq had so eroded his standing that the midterm election turned into a devastating repudiation of his party. That day, Karl Rove’s dream of Republican rule for decades to come ended abruptly. But the behavior and attitudes of the party leadership, including Rove, didn’t change at all. Instead, the consensus of party leaders was that they had "lost their way" by deviating too much from right-wing purity.

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http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2010/01/19/whatwouldgop/index.html
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:50 AM
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1. So true. They stick to it
They don't have a "base" like the progressives, who stay home and cry and give up when it's not all a liberal paradise within one year and with a Congress that still contained 40 Repuke Senators.

The Repukes know it is a long haul. And they have it easier, since they want government out of everything, that means they don't have to pass bills so much as leave things alone. Since they love wars and it is easy for a President to get us into them now and on the flimsiest excuse, it is easy for them to get what they want.

We have a hard time getting new programs passed to begin with. Add to that there are still a lot of Republicans.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:57 AM
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3. If you are right, and we "stay home and cry and give up" then why doesn't the
head of our party know that? Why didn't Coakley run her campaign with that in mind? Why didn't leadership look at the 2 Dem governer's races that were lost in Nov and figure that into the strategy? Who is Tim Kane and did he ever go to MA and did he have feet on the ground and a plan? You know, to rally the cry babies?

Hello? Ted Kennedy stood behind Bush when he signed "No Child Left Behind?" How did THAT happen???


It wasn't the voter who didn't stick to "it" it was the smart leaders in our party who suck.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:04 AM
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6. the voters are the country
You're showing a childlike dependence on the leaders. Since they are not backed up, no wonder they can't get much done.

Coakley did do a terrible job, but it's still on the voters who allegedly stayed home - from what you are saying they can do nothing unless the leader gets them to do it. They aren't there ready to go, like the republican base.

The Republican base is still at it even when out of power! And they had the nerve to go after TK's seat!

This would never have been the case with the Democrats. Our whiny "base" who expects to sit home and have things "delivered" to them would never bestir themselves for us to go out and get and established Repuke seat like that!
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:16 AM
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9. I would like to share my perspective with you. Many many base voters are
working class, struggling to make ends meet and they typically respond to well run get-out-the-vote campaigns.

Howard Dean knew this and his 50 state strategy worked. He had in place well run ground operations that proved to be successful. He also understood that the average voter does not follow politics very deeply. MA voters are no different. The Dem Party did not show up for yesterday's election. At all.

It is very important to accept that a high percentage of voters are followers and have no desire to lead or really, get involved.

Think about this for a moment. Democrats typically have more registered voters than Republican's. Independent voters are growing.

In order for the GOP to win, they have to get-out-the-vote, and they did a better job yesterday than we did.

This is not a "childlike dependence" it is instead, a unvarnished understanding of the detailed and dynamic facts that make up the profile of average voters.

Most people only care what goes on in their lives. Sorry to say.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:24 AM
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11. Repukes are often working class
Struggling to make ends meet, and give them credit, they never cry about that and always show up for elections.

Dean's strategy was good but the most it could get from red states is Blue Dogs. Funny no one blames him for that. Not that they should. But they keep blaming Obama for not having those Blue Dogs' 100% support on left wing reforms.

the Republican party would never not show up for an election. That's why they win.

Voters who have no desire to get involved then have no right to complain. they can stay home and struggle and not have insurance (which the progressives are fine with if they don't get it on their terms).

These voters are indeed childlike, unless they are pick themselves up by the bootstraps republicans. If they expect leaders to just do what they want without their participation, well, that's not how our system works.

Also, the turnout was pretty good and the Dems did show up. It was the independents who caused the election to go to Brown.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:23 AM
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13. Typically, working class repukes are racist, sexists, pro life, pro self interest, and are
easily fired up by negative, slanderous, Limbaugh like, Beck like, messages.

They show up for elections for one reason and one reason only. Hate. GOP fires up their base with hate.

Independents are cowards. Can't and won't commit to an ideology. They want to have it both ways and all ways. Yet they have no
problem with taking the dole of social security and LBJ's great society programs. The independent voter in MA was allowed to run amok.

Childlike Dem's vs. Hate filled repukes, doesn't matter. It takes true and real leadership to get them to the polls. The GOP trumps the Dem's most of the time in getting out the vote.

Dean's strategy vs. Tim Kaine. At least Dean showed up and not all of his work in the red states resulted in blue dogs. Kaine didn't even show up and was part of the thinking that took this election for granted.

When you take a bus to work, clean bedpans for a living, or work 2 jobs, or don't have a job, then it is incumbent upon those of us who can, to help those who need it, find their bootstraps.



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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:21 AM
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10. You are so utterly clueless about how politics works that it just leaves one speechless
It really does.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:28 AM
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12. Well that was helpful
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 09:29 AM by treestar
the way it works is that you go out and fight for what you want and keep at it, the way the Republicans do.

You do not sit home and complain that not enough is delivered to you after allegedly working in one election for one politician and that the one at the top.

You do not sit home indulging in cynicism or you get more to be cynical about.

Keep your insults to yourself. Just continue to sit at home and judge the Democrats for not getting you what you want within one year. Enjoy the repuke filibusters so you can be oh so superior about how the Dems are not "tough" enough to get anything else through.

I wonder why they are not "tough" enough to use the nuclear option? could it be they know that even if they did that, the damn progressives would STILL be whining that whatever was "delivered" to them was not good enough? And future Repuke congresses would have that to get Bork-like justices on the Supreme Court?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:15 AM
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8. No - instead of VOTING LEFT on the very issues that ELECTED THEM in the first place
the fucking democratic RIGHT WING insisted that we had to ABANDONE our progressive principals and adopt fucking "bipartisanship" and court the fucking democratic RIGHT WING!!!

If this were the GOP - the dems would have gone EVEN MORE PROGRESSIVE instead of just ABANDONING the very policies and principals that GOT THEM ELECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

But don't let your RIGHT WING rant stop you from bashing us progressives, and then when we STAY HOME, don't YOU idiots cry when WE don't show up after being constantly being told to SHUT THE FUCK UP like you are doing!!!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:52 AM
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2. Unfortunately the argument can be made that Democrats retreat even when they win /nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:00 AM
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5. That's not really retreating ... they go to the Country Clubs of their Corporate Masters ...
whom they truly serve. They don't give a damn about their constituents - just themselves, their families and their corporate crones.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:59 AM
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4. While we waffle and don't stand for crap
The "leadership" is a bunch of moronic jellyfish
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:09 AM
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7. Good god - even THIS misses the OBVIOUS - how about JUST THIS PAST YEAR, YOU DUMB FUCK?!!!
Obama and the Dems won HANDILLY and the repukes ran OUT OF THE GATE ON DAY TWO as if they had WON!!!

We've just been REJECTED - so let's campaign on EVEN MORE IF WHAT THE VOTERS JUST DEFEATED!!!

But now that we've lost ONE SEAT - the dems are all SCARED and are ready and EAGER to CAPITULATE to the repukes - the MINORITY - even MORE!!!

No, Joe - dems will NEVER learn, especially when you ignore the MOST RECENT HISTORY without going back thirty forty years!!!

You miss your own point ENTIRELY!!!
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