I hope the President keeps doing what he's doing and ignores all the idiotic bullshit

[ProSense]

Barack Obama is out of touch.

I don't think it's Obama who is out of touch.

[ChicagoSuz219]

1. Nice to know I'm not alone... :-) n/t

[tekisui]

2. Tighten the bubble!

It is the American Presidential way.

[ProSense]

The teabaggers are self-important assholes.

It's all about them: fuck everyone else.

[tekisui]

8. Who said anything about teabaggers?

:shrug:

[Donnachaidh]

90. mr pot, mr kettle is on line two

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Sebastian Doyle]

101. So are the "centrists" (corporatists)

It's all about them: fuck everyone else.

[Little Star]

3. Why do you want our President to fail?

[ProSense]

7. Actually, I wan't him to be just like Bush, who I hear was effective. n/t

[frazzled]

15. By creating a unitary executive that skirts all laws?

No thanks. That kind of "effective" we don't need.

We are not used to seeing Congress do what the Constitution mandated it to do: make laws. It's not a pretty picture. But for eight years, all we saw was the WH run roughshod over that constitutional imperative. We began to believe the President just snaps his (or her) fingers and Congress bows down and obeys. It's not actually supposed to work like that. I think we've forgotten.

[ProSense]

20. I should have added the sarcasm thingy. n/t

[frazzled]

26. Oh, sorry ... guess it's the frayed nerves.

I've lost my snark radar.

[Zenlitened]

52. I don't think it was snark. I think it's a cry for help. :(

[CreekDog]

4. What was Obama's Plan B if he lost a vote on something critical like Health Care Reform?

because that happened and guess what?

no Plan B to go to.

so we've had a media circus of confusion as they embarassingly dither around trying to come up with a Plan B.

no I don't want to see more of that, no thank you.

[RememberWellstone]

77. Plan C?

Evidently...no one in the White House knows what the fuk is going on. He needs to ignore his moron campaign lizards and go lead!!

[Cha]

5. So much bullshit so little time..

They're dancing on Obama's grave but he's not in it.

[Solomon]

87. Nice one!

Cha cha cha!

[xchrom]

6. Barack may not be -- but somebody is. Nt

[ProSense]

9. People need to spend more time pushing issues instead of

analyzing every friggin utterance by Gibbs.

[tekisui]

11. Every friggin utterance from Gibbs is spoken on behalf of the WH.

He's the spokesman. That is why he gets attention.

[ProSense]

17. So everyone should be parsed and extrapolated?

Maybe Gibbs said what he said for a reason?

[tekisui]

22. If he said it for a reason, then it needs to be investigated.

You can't have it both ways.

[ProSense]

25. "then it needs to be investigated." What? n/t

[tekisui]

27. Looked into. Questioned. Analyzed. Understood.

[timeforpeace]

10. He will, don't worry.

[depakid]

12. I hope the young and naive learn to have a greater appreciation for history

and political dynamics.

I also hope Obama's intellectual and objective analytic abilities exceed his propensity to play the role of mediator when advocacy is required.

[Grand Taurean]

14. As you said.

Obama is not addressing the economic problems properly.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Relax.

He's got this.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

16. Do I know this person that you linked to?

Or is it just some random blogger?

In any case, I hope that like any intelligent person, the President weighs the evidence and corrects course as appropriate.

[VMI Dem]

18. Chess.

The end game is coming any day now.

[donco6]

19. Was there ever a doubt?

It's not like we peons make a difference.

[snagglepuss]

21. Great advice. That has proven to be an absolute winning stragety.

:sarcasm:

[ProSense]

24. Are you advocating that he shouldn't ignore the bullshit? n/t

[Forkboy]

28. "bullshit" is subjective.

For instance, I think most of your posts would qualify, but you surely don't agree. See, same evidence, different takes. Funny how humans have differing opinions.

[ProSense]

29. Some bullshit is just bullshit

Like most of your posts.

[Forkboy]

30. Or like most of yours.

See how easy it is to prove my point. Thanks, buddy! :hug:

[asdjrocky]

37. +1

[paulk]

60. LOL

plus 1

[Name removed]

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[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. Obama is NOT out of touch it is the Senate which is out of touch

the Senate is an annoying dinosaur

[MrMickeysMom]

47. Which members... the 41?

Or the majority of the others without spines?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

72. most of them

[LooseWilly]

85. Obviously it is the Senate which is an annoying dinosaur... it should be abolished.

Too bad Obama didn't have more experience with the... Senate... or he might've... had a better thought out plan to cope with... a chess master's long-game plan... well, he's young... of only his VP had some more experience with the Senate...

How the hell do a pair of ex-Senators, with an ex-Senator as Secretary of State, claim with any legitimacy to not have been able to devise a plan in advance for dealing with getting a bill through the Senate when they should've all known in advance that that was going to be the choke point of passing legislation?

How do you blame this cock-up on the Senate, and not the ex-Senators in the Executive Branch that prioritized this "policy"?

Ohh, right. Conveniently glib excuse #29...

Or are you proposing that the Senate should be allowed to become extinct like a dinosaur.... or the Reichstag?

[budkin]

31. DU = Denial Underground

Blind loyalty is not healthy.

[donheld]

56. +25000

[Clio the Leo]

32. "70% of Americans think Obama "cares about them"

... was Gibbs answer to this question.

http://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/7998313748

(great answer to a foolish question)

[Oregone]

33. Afterall, he is a chess master

I bet they wanted to lose that seat. The bill will be better now

[stevenleser]

34. I don't think he IS out of touch, I think there is a PERCEPTION he is out of touch

slight but important difference.

[asdjrocky]

35. Obama is a total fucking wimp.

[ProSense]

36. I'm sure he's hurt by your declaration. n/t

[asdjrocky]

39. I don't give a shit if he's hurt. It's the turth.

[Cali_Democrat]

40. You mean he's not just a fucking wimp?

He's a total fucking wimp? :wow:

[asdjrocky]

43. It, unfortunately, seems to be total.

[FrenchieCat]

38. Barack Obama is achieving the art of the possible that is

what our politics are about.

He's quite sane and in touch...

Meanwhile some of us are totally out to lunch.

He wasn't ever gonna be a tall tan Kucinich.....
Kucinich lost....big.
so the Banks will not be padlocked,
the Insurance companies will not be bankrupted,
the wars won't end tomorrow,
and we won't have a single health payer instituted anytime very soon...

Those are the realities...
and those who don't accept them....
well, they will be unhappy forever, I would guess....

Meanwhile, and Barack Obama will continue to make the changes that he can,
and history will bear him out as being a President who, even in times of grave adversity,
got shit done.

There will be a possible footnote in the history books about the whiners
who piled-on his back relentlessly day after day, both conservative and progressive...
just like there has always been.

[donco6]

41. For some reason, smoky rooms and snapping fingers come to mind.

Where did THAT come from?

[FrenchieCat]

49. I'm not sure....but,

if we end up having avoided a deep depression,
the American auto companies rescued,
the Iraq war wounded down,
Guatanamo closed,
Torture specifically outlawed,
Terror not the way that government keeps citizens in line,
The Afghanistan War on a near sane footing with an end in sight,
Health Care policies improved, even if the problems are not totally solved,
the world seeing us as allies again,
Nukes significantly reduced,
Environmental issues addressed,
Science elevated,
Education rethinked,
Labor seen as a friend,
Student loans federalized,
Banking companies with more regulations on them then before,
Haiti helped greatly,
No longer on war footing with Iran,
good solid supreme court justices appointed,
Net neutrality saved,
and yes, more transparency to government than ever before....

by the end of his first term,
no matter what the vocal critics say on a day to day basis,
that will be quite a list, and I'm sure there will be more added
as we go.

Those of us sane ones who try to look at the big picture,
instead of wanting each day
for this President to do and say
exactly what we would wish are doing fine....
We appreciate what is going on....and history will bear us out.

Sorry.

[donco6]

57. That's it!

Makes me want to Howl a Fugazzi.

[FrenchieCat]

62. Go then....

It may where you belong

[donco6]

65. Nah - it's far too interesting here.

Wouldn't miss this great awakening for the world!

[FrenchieCat]

66. Then stay.

[tango-tee]

91. Oh, I needed that.

Thanks for the laugh!! Best response possible.

[PufPuf23]

76. Most of your "positives" are not firm in fact.

I used to love your posts and feel inspired.

I would wager $100 I am older, more educated, and been through more politcal action than you, once one of my favorite posters (who now kayaks down the denial).

[paulk]

83. lots of "if" there

sorry.

[freddie mertz]

88. Bongos, Goatees, and Black Berets.

[freddie mertz]

89. I guess you've given up trying to find links that support your ever-weakening "arguments."

Danger! Danger! Does not compute!

[Ildem09]

46. if this is his best

it's not good enough. bam. I think Mass proved that. Democrats in MA who voted for Brown did so because Obama hasn't done enough. i mean wtf

[FrenchieCat]

51. You can continue with that opinion......just like a broken record continues to skip

[Ildem09]

67. look

we are going to loose seats in the house and senate in the fall. look at the models. Political Science shows up that the incumbent has only gained seats in off year elections in 36,96,02 this is not any of those times. were going to loose about 3-5 in the senate and about 20-25 in the house. its going to be bad. but if the President Steps up and takes charge then we can stop the hemorrhage

[PufPuf23]

78. You are one of the blatant broken records at DU.

Dear soul.

[ProSense]

79. It appears you just have a problem with people who aren't pissed off at the President n/t

[PufPuf23]

82. I voted for and donated to Obama and probably will again in 2012

given no better primary candidate.

Obama has pissed away the political capital of two generations of Democrats in one year.

He self-identified as a "new democrat" post election and filled his cabinet with the DLC oriented that made HRC my least favorite Democratic in the primaries. The DLC is not for the people and is identical to neo-cons in foreign, social, and economic policy.

Rahm and his brother are losers for the common American and for the long term good of the nation.

Geithner and Summmers and Bernanke are nightmares and this is from my education and professional fields

Vilsack and Salazar are likewise nightmares. Obama is doing with the National Forests what were the dreams of GWB under MSM cover.

I do not know much about education except a BS and MBA from Cal and think that charter schools, vouchers, etc undermine education in intent and financially. Democrats would be aghast at Arne Duncan under a GOP POTUS.

You deal with your perceptions; more long term Democrats will agree with me.

[FrenchieCat]

84. Sure......

But I'm a Democrat.

[saracat]

95. Implying those who deal with the reality of a bad situation aren't?

That is a lot of nerve. Plenty of really good Democrats do not agree with you. No one elected you the arbitrator of any truth but your own.

[saracat]

94. You mean like the president and "bipartisanship and "talking".? Sheesh.

[saracat]

93. He didn't acheive what was possible.The reality is he didn't make the changes he could have

and now he is never going to. Bipartisanship was pursued at expense of the people. Politics was placed above people and a price was paid with our lives, and we had no choice about paying it.

The sad part is it isn't even good politics.

[saracat]

99. Gotta say, if one takes this literally! FC is correct! LOL!

"as being a President who, even in times of grave adversity,
got shit done."
:rofl:

[Armstead]

42. Ya know....Course corrections ARE allowed -- Real leaders are flexible

[Forkboy]

44. This OP reminds me of General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett from Blackadder.

"If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through."

[MrMickeysMom]

48. One reason the show was so popular...

Right!

[Forkboy]

59. Stephen Fry is awesome.

He was great with Hugh Laurie in their show, he was great in Blackadder and Jeeves and Wooster, and even his novels are outstanding. :)

[MrMickeysMom]

68. Never red his novels...

... but I'm betting they are.

[unapatriciated]

100. I love Blackaadder!

[Name removed]

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[ProSense]

54. Moronic. n/t

[Ildem09]

63. really?

why is it moronic? Obama will go down in history as an average president. unless he changes. he can strive for greatness but he is not

[Zenlitened]

50. Oh, stop. Now you're just being absurd.

It sounds like you're advocating a president who's inflexible and refuses to adapt to changing circumstances.

Which, at this point, could be interpreted to mean you want the Obama administration to fail, ironically enough.

I think you need to ask yourself what exactly is it that you're wedded to, anymore? Party? Personality? Personal fable?

Whatever it is, it doesn't seem healthy for anyone... the people, the party or the president.

[ProSense]

53. No, I'm advocating that the president ignores bullshit, you know

like people calling him a "wimp."

[Name removed]

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[ZombieHorde]

55. I disagree with you. I would like President Obama to try something new.

"Idiotic bullshit" is a meaningless term, so I don't have a comment on that hope.

I don't think it's Obama who is out of touch.

If the claim from the link, "Barack Obama conveyed to Robert Gibbs that he was surprised and frustrated by the Massachusetts race." is true, then he is obviously a little out of touch.

[BlueIdaho]

61. I fear our President is a pathological people pleaser

surrounded by fawning sycophants. If he is honestly surprised by the results of this special election he is either being ill served by those around him or he is intentionally ignorant of the facts.

[inthebrain]

58. We know you want him to be just like Bush

I think we get that.

You keep advocating what you're advocating my lil moderate conservative. You're gonna wind up with more MA elections where the left just stays home. You seem incapable of listening to it as well. Bush had the same characteristic and drove the Republicans into the ground.

Stand proud.

[Teaser]

71. Please, your characterization of Prosense is ridiculous.

foolishness.

[Teaser]

69. He has dropped the ball on a plan B.

Seriously. And I am a supporter, a strong supporter. But they didn't game theory this out.

That's a planning fail.

[Tailormyst]

70. So transparent

[NYC_SKP]

73. I informally polled all my progressive NY and SF Bay Area friends, and you are right...

The noises we hear, growing in anger and in volume, are not representative of progressives in general.

Out of touch, I think you nailed it.

And, fortunately, Obama is smarter than to let the noises mis-direct him into failure.

:patriot:

[saracat]

97. hmm. A bit too late for that. Remember it was going to be such a disaster if we didn't pass HCR?

Amazing how one day things are an urgent priority and the next they are shelved as of no importance. Sort of like the principles some expound on the campaign trail only to replace them with politcal expedience.

[OhioBlue]

74. I don't know about that

I think the KOS post is over the top - but I think a course correction is needed. I am not disappointed in our President at all - I think he has been doing the best he can with the hand he was dealt and the Congress he has. I do think that it is apparent that the bipartisanship, compromise path isn't working. I think he needs to changes some policy and priorities to become more progressive. I also think he and the DNC need way better marketing strategies. Too much is being put on hold for HC and we're looking at a not so great bill. good yeah - kinda - for some... I'll still support it - although with a sigh and a wish that it could have been better - or even less (less when it comes to mandates if there is no PO and less when it comes to the tax on HC plans) So pass it or put it on hold and make some "bipartisan" incremental gains within the next month. it is sucking all the attention.

pass a transportation bill
pass a jobs bill
work on fair trade
work on a safer food supply - promote more buy local & organic/natural initiatives
pass the Kerry bill that address offshore tax havens
end DADT
and hire some better PR people in the WH and DNC
just get all progressive and promote the hell out of it. that's my 2 cents. I know its easy for me to just write it on a message board.. but those are my thoughts anyway.

[kenny blankenship]

80. Thank you for relieving the rest of us of any obligation to take you seriously

Seriously. Thanks.

[ProSense]

81. That's OK

I don't take you seriously either.

[LooseWilly]

86. Don't you mean: "I hope the President keeps doing what he's doing, or does something different..."

"because no matter what the President does, it is the right thing to do, because he is the President, and when a Democratic President does something, that something is Right." ?

Sort of the ProSense corollary to the Nixon axiom which has, ironically, been re-inforced by Obama... which by your own corollary makes the Nixon axiom also correct. By definition.

:+

[freddie mertz]

92. I think that is exactly what she means.

It's a job, but an increasingly frustrating one, I am sure.

[Phx_Dem]

96. AMEN. K&R

[flamingdem]

98. I think he is fantastic, and will get better nt

[Jim Sagle]

102. He damn well is and so are you. You're both paid to be.

[timeforpeace]

103. This is one of those threads that just begs for numbers of unrecs to be recorded like the recs are.

[quakerboy]

104. I hope President Obama ignores all the idiotic bullshit and changes what he is doing to reflect that

[Hippo_Tron]

105. I think he needs to get serious about opposing the Republicans

The fact is that people have unrealistic expectations and when he cant fix this mess that he inherited overnight, his poll numbers are going to drop. That's beyond his control.

What he can do is remind voters that the Republicans are not a good alternative.

[Dream Detector 2010]

106. Me too!