MSNBC Poll: Only 27% of Americans blame Pres. Obama for current troubles. 90% Democratic support.

[Drunken Irishman]

I guess the talk about him losing the base was just that...all talk.

[Clio the Leo]

1. Sadly, none of them live in Mass. NT

[Bucky]

4. Yeah. I'll bet that 90% support is just pity after the Massachusetts race.

Or maybe voters are a lot more complex than what a support/don't support poll can reveal.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. Or maybe Coakley was just a SHITTY candidate. n/t

[karynnj]

9. In the polls taken, even among those who voted, Obama was approved by 61%

Remember Brown's website said things like gay marriage is settled law in MA and he voted for their health care bill.

Brown has two images - the side he showed MA, one the side that the RW (I hope) fantasized.

[Jennicut]

13. Brown's own votes in the Mass State Senate show him to be a moderate

He needs to stay one to stay elected in Mass. He was very good at appealing to different types of voters, I will give him that.

[Drunken Irishman]

2. I can only think those who unrec this hate the fact Pres. Obama is not losing support.

Thus, they're hoping for it and must want him to fail. Rush Limbaugh, that you?

[Irish_shark]

21. It's conceivable that some are unrec'ing because a link is not provided

Some may be asking themselves the following question: Is it true that 90% of Democrats support Obama in this poll? A link would erase all doubts.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. It's obvious that DU doesn't represent the real world.

Reading DU, you would think that Obama's base has completely left him.

Many on DU will continue to support and worship unelectable gadflys like Saint Kooch.

Hey...whatever floats your boat. :shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

6. 37% will vote in 2010 as signal of support for Obama, 27% as signal of opposition.

LINK - http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/___Politics_Today_Stories_Teases/10049NBCWSJ.pdf

[Drunken Irishman]

8. There's that pesky 27% again! haha

[Imajika]

14. Wish this poll was likely voters...

..instead of just adults.

Some of the variance of these polls is whether they asked adults, registered voters or likely voters.

Polls of just adults tend to be better for Obama, polls that ask likely voters tend to be the worst.

This one appears to be adults only.

I would rather see the worst case scenario. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

[jenmito]

15. In comparison, in 2006, Bush's numbers were a net NEGATIVE 15% to send a message of opposition

which is when the Dems. took control of congress.

[Peacetrain]

7. 27% would be the republican base..

[Lord Helmet]

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[Cha]

12. I'm glad there are so many intelligent

Americans who don't buy into the corporatemediawhores' agenda or the agenda of the regressive bloggers whose only goal is to fatten their coffers with sensationalism like "huge scandal brewing at the White House":silly: ..and if that doesn't work 'cause it was damn lie then onto other flaming shit.

Fuck 'em..they're in the way.

[secondwind]

16. Coakley was just plain AWFUL, and she looked disinterested in the job...but MA

has a high number of independents, as has been reported.

[Cha]

17. Kick for a Reality Check~

[Irish_shark]

18. 50% overall approval

Up 2% from last week's poll. disapproval up 1%.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. Its just that Newsweek hate him

every week they have something nasty

[Irish_shark]

20. Do you have a link? I can't find the 90% Democratic support claim in the pdf

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/___Politics_Today_Stories_Teases/FI9500.pdf

[Drunken Irishman]

22. Chuck Todd.

[Irish_shark]

24. The full poll results show no such statistic

A link that reads "Full Poll Results" takes you here: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBCpoll-01262010.pdf and no breakdown by party is seen.

http://online.wsj.com/home-page

[Drunken Irishman]

26. So? Chuck Todd said it on Hardball.

"90% Democratic support".

If you have issue with it, take it up with him, okay? :eyes:

[Cowpunk]

34. You just earned an unrec for that idiotic comment. NT

[Drunken Irishman]

35. And you just earned an ignore for being an idiot.

[Cowpunk]

39. There's a shock.

[Hekate]

28. Here, sort of close: Obama Weekly Job Approval by Demographic Groups

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121199/Obama-Weekly-Job-Approval-Demographic-Groups.aspx

PARTY ID
Democrat 83%
Independent 45
Republican 15

IDEOLOGY
Liberal 75%
Moderate 57
Conservative 28

PARTY ID AND IDEOLOGY
Liberal Dem 83%
Moderate Dem 82
Conservative Dem 75
Pure Independent 43
Liberal/Moderate
Republican 26
Conservative Rep 11

OVERALL APPROVAL 49%
OVERALL DISAPPROVAL 46
OVERALL NO OPINION 6

[Drunken Irishman]

36. That's Gallup.

MSNBC is probably different - especially since it has his approval higher.

Chuck Todd was asked by Matthews why Obama's popularity remains decent. Todd said, "because he hasn't lost his base. He's go 90% support from Democrats..."

[Impedimentus]

23. Don't worry, be happy.

:)

[FrenchieCat]

25. Much more than we could ever be

Under a Republican administration; you've got that right!

[tomp]

27. proud ten percenter, once again. nt

[bigdarryl]

29. Tell that to Big Ed he's always ranting about Obama losing his base

[Kaleva]

30. Looks like the economy will be the major issue of 2010.

[newtothegame]

31. Inspiring=Invincible. Must be nice. n/t

[Bullet1987]

32. Ok. When was the last time approval ratings

got policy passed? Of course DU isn't representative of America...no internet forum is. People who post on DU on a daily basis are typically much more informed about current events and much more defined in their beliefs and wants. I think Democrats AT LARGE are still going to give Barack Obama a chance into 2010...as I am. That doesn't mean I won't criticize bad decisions he makes. That's the point people miss, criticism doesn't equate to wanting Obama to fail. We criticize because we WANT him to succeed. Most of DU still want Obama to be successful I believe, but the anti-corporate sentiments are strong here and that's where the friction begins. Favorability polls are always going to look good for Obama because most people still LIKE HIM. Charisma goes a long way with polls like these. But I gurantee you, if you poll Americans and ask them if they think Obama can do more...or they WANT him to do more...you'll have many people saying yes.

[Change Happens]

33. GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCAIN!`

:sarcasm:

[Hello_Kitty]

37. If a pollster called and asked if I supported President Obama I would say yes.

Even though I'm quite critical of a lot he is doing.

[TheKentuckian]

38. Only the usual suspects (shrubs true believers) blame Barack Obama for most of

the problems of the day because we are well aware that almost none are new.

Obama is in hot water with some people for pretty different reasons, in my opinion.

In no particular order,

1) Triangulating. Its cool for those it attracts but a powerful repellent to those it doesn't because it makes friends and enemies alike see one as a phony. A person that will change their core beliefs to sell different audiences cannot be trusted. It is very easy to get caught up when you try to be all things to all people. At any moment when people don't feel they know where you stand, you lose them if they are on your side and embolden your enemies.

2) Palling around with robberbarons. Far too loose a grip, too little accountability enforced, and the demand for changing the way things are done was far too meek. This sure as shooting ain't change here. How do we give the American people health care reform that was written by the insurance companies? How do we allow credit card regulation that gives the banks a chance to screw us harder? How can we put our children into debt for banks to pay themselves record bonuses for refusing to do the job that people think they are there for and instead racking up literally gambling with our money?
Too much of this kind of crap makes your closest allies wonder what side you're on and NOTHING and NO ONE can compromise with unfettered greed. If you aren't fighting these guys you're with them.

3) Too much inside baseball. The people are out of the loop on too many things that will very directly affect them and their wishes seem unimportant. It makes the President one of them instead of one of us. Everything is all about "stakeholders", bought and paid for politicians, and maybe a few wonks. That makes every action something done to you rather than an effort on your behalf.
If most people accept there is a problem and your solution makes logical sense even some that disagree with the "how" will accept it to some degree. However, if the "fix" is a hodgepodge of widely unpopular and generally ineffective ideas that disregard things that address root cause someone will sniff it out and cry foul.

4) Saying one thing and doing the polar opposite without a real explanation why and what changed. You just can't do that. Everyone ever accepts that some things promised won't see the light of day. People can accept a failed effort. People can live with a fair compromise or a tradeoff. Folks will deal with hedging too.
What they can't stomach very easy is saying something especially if they make a big point of it and then just like flipping a switch do a 180.

5) Turning bad to worse. If you come over to my house and it is a mess, it can't be your fault but if you dump out the trash cans and overflow the toilet that's on you.

6) Running on change and then going hard status quo when governing isn't going to make anyone happy no matter how much you rearrange the furniture.

If you aren't going to pick some new winners and losers then the game will continue to be played as it was.

Failing to get that the change goes much deeper than just changing out the last management staff is a worrisome issue with this administration. Changing the faces and even improving competence won't overcome the same piss poor practices, models, and ideas.

Change is undoing Reagan just as he worked to undo FDR. Undoing Junior Bush leaves the same rot, mentality, and demonstrably wrong and false ideas in place and in action.
Until we all get this through our skulls (especially our leaders) our seed will be planted on rocks and sand so that nothing will actually take root and grow. All of our efforts will be on a foundation that crumbles even as we work.

It is past time to ask ourselves in a deep way, "where do we go from here?" and grow up, wake up, and smell the coffee that we cannot stay here and must go forward. Obama was elected to play Moses not caretaker and I promise you that something that virtually all the people with any sense know if even on an unconscience level. Even those who want to maintain the status quo know the earth is moving under their feet. To survive we must move and at least a walk, even if crawling seems more comfortable.

7) Preemptive compromise, compromise without concessions, acting like a chump, and general rolling over. Some might admire the meek but precious few really respect them and far less fear them, like negative numbers less. People respect the hell out of a hard bargainer, people that can work deals, or even a bully sometimes (sad but true) but they usually see you as a sucker if you trade 5 "marbles" for 1 or 2 roughly equal ones.

8) Begging the enemy to be friends and pretending they are such. Being open to or even working toward finding common ground and hoping for peace is a lot different than letting someone kick your ass everyday and buying them lunch for doing you the favor.
You only can turn the cheek so many times before you've become a whipping post and being a whipping post doesn't transform bullies to allies.


I'm sure there might be other things but that's what comes to mind for what people might be blaming the President for. We know the causes pre-date his even being on the scene.