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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:52 PM
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President Obama: there is no such thing as 'clean coal.'
This is in reference to Obama's SOTUS mention of relying on "clean coal." There is no such thing!

Unmasking the truth behind "clean coal"

“Clean coal” is the industry’s attempt to “clean up” its dirty image – the industry’s greenwash buzzword. It is not a new type of coal.

“Clean coal” technology (CCT) refers to technologies intended to reduce pollution. But no coal-fired power plants are truly ‘clean’.

“Clean coal” methods only move pollutants from one waste stream to another which are then still released into the environment. Any time coal is burnt, contaminants are released and they have to go somewhere. They can be released via the fly ash, the gaseous air emissions, water outflow or the ash left at the bottom after burning. Ultimately, they still end up polluting the environment.

“Clean coal” methods only move pollutants from one waste stream to another.

Communities after communities have lamented the hosting of coal-fired plants. They are often ignored due to governments' preference for polluting power plants yet they often bear the burden of adversely altered lives.

Despite over 10 years of research and $5.2 billion of investment in the US alone , scientists are still unable to make coal clean. The Australian government spends A$0.5 million annually to promote Australia’s ‘clean coal’ to the Asia Pacific region. “Clean coal” technologies are expensive and do nothing to mitigate the environmental effects of coal mining or the devastating effects of global warming. Furthermore, clean coal research risks diverting investment away from renewable energy, which is available to reduce greenhouse gas emissions now.

http://www.greenpeace.org/seasia/en/campaigns/climate-change/climate-impacts/coal/the-clean-coal-myth

Collapse of the Clean Coal Myth

Published: January 22, 2009


A month of negative news for the Tennessee Valley Authority could lead to positive changes in national policy, including federal regulation of toxic coal wastes and new legal constraints on coal-fired power plants. More broadly, the authority’s recent travails may help persuade the public that coal is nowhere near as “clean” as a high-priced industry advertising campaign makes it out to be.

In December, hundreds of acres of Roane County in eastern Tennessee were buried under a billion gallons of toxic coal sludge after the collapse of one of the T.V.A.’s containment ponds. It was an accident waiting to happen and an alarm bell for Congress and federal regulators.

Senator Barbara Boxer of California noted that coal combustion in this country produces 130 million tons of coal ash every year — enough to fill a train of boxcars stretching from Washington, D.C., to Australia. Amazingly, the task of regulating the more than 600 landfills and impoundments holding this ash is left to the states, which are more often lax than not. Ms. Boxer will press the Obama administration to devise rules for the disposal of coal ash as well as design and construction standards for the impoundments.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/opinion/23fri3.html

The Myth of Clean Coal

The coal industry and its allies are spending more than $60 million to promote the notion that coal is clean. But so far, “clean coal” is little more than an advertising slogan.

by richard conniff


You have to hand it to the folks at R&R Partners. They’re the clever advertising agency that made its name luring legions of suckers to Las Vegas with an ad campaign built on the slogan “What happens here, stays here.” But R&R has now topped itself with its current ad campaign pairing two of the least compatible words in the English language: “Clean Coal.”

“Clean” is not a word that normally leaps to mind for a commodity some spoilsports associate with unsafe mines, mountaintop removal, acid rain, black lung, lung cancer, asthma, mercury contamination, and, of course, global warming. And yet the phrase “clean coal” now routinely turns up in political discourse, almost as if it were a reality.

The ads created by R&R tout coal as “an American resource.” In one Vegas-inflected version, Kool and the Gang sing “Ya-HOO!” as an electric wire gets plugged into a lump of coal and the narrator intones: “It’s the fuel that powers our way of life.” (“Celebrate good times, come on!”) A second ad predicts a future in which coal will generate power “with even lower emissions, including the capture and storage of CO2. It’s a big challenge, but we’ve made a commitment, a commitment to clean.”

Well, they’ve made a commitment to advertising, anyway. The campaign has been paid for by Americans for Balanced Energy Choices, which bills itself as the voice of “over 150,000 community leaders from all across the country.” Among those leaders, according to ABEC’s website, are an environmental consultant, an interior designer, and a “complimentary healer.” Other, arguably louder, voices in the group include the world’s biggest mining company (BHP Billiton), the biggest U.S. coal mining company (Peabody Energy), the biggest publicly owned U.S. electric utility (Duke Energy), and the biggest U.S. railroad (Union Pacific). ABEC — whose domain name is licensed to the Center for Energy and Economic Development, a coal-industry group — merged with CEED on April 17 to form the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity (ACCCE).

They’re bankrolling the “Clean Coal” campaign to the tune of $35 million this year alone. That’s a little less than the tobacco industry spent on a successful fight against antismoking legislation in 1998, and almost triple what health insurers paid for the “Harry and Louise” ads that helped kill health care reform in the early 1990s. In addition to the ads, the “Clean Coal” campaign has so far also sponsored two presidential election debates (where, critics noted, no questions about global warming got asked).

http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2014
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:53 PM
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1. We actually need to continue to win states like PA
So there will continue to be 'clean coal'
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:55 PM
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6. Only if your base is full of republicans
even the people of West Virginia have finally had enough of living in the Appalachian Apocalypse to say "ENOUGH"!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:17 PM
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11. I don't think the coal regions of Eastern PA are looking to enter the game again.
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 10:18 PM by WinkyDink
The mine my father and uncles worked in is now a tourist spot.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:53 PM
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2. Proving that once again, the fossil fuel barons still have their grip on the WH.
Climate change and peak oil wait for no one!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:53 PM
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3. K&R! That was my immediate thought, too...
:crazy:
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:53 PM
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4. yeah, I am tired of hearing that- there is no such animal
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BP2 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:54 PM
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5. Yeah, I noticed that too. Go visit a coal mine and find me some clean coal.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:57 PM
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7. Allow me to go against tradition and agree with you completely. K&R nt
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:04 PM
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8. it's clean if
it ain't burned. Makes for some nice paperweights.

I suppose it's possible in the arbitrarily distant future it may be possible to extract energy from coal without burning it. But that ain't now.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:10 PM
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9. Oh c'mon. There is every bit as much "Clean coal" as there is SAFE nuclear
Power.

And he is the President, he would know.

I mean, it simply cannot be another one of those things where he's liking Big Industry interests more than us.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:14 PM
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10. Agree, totally! nt
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:41 PM
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12. Thanks, IG.
He knows better.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:42 PM
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13. That and him wanting to expand nuclear power was the downer in his speech for me.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 11:09 PM
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14. Coal is FILTHY
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