K&R if you think Obama gave a good state-of-the-union speech!

[LoZoccolo]

:bounce:

[NYC_SKP]

1. k

[la la]

2. better than good! n/t

[Phx_Dem]

3. Beautiful.

[Lifelong Protester]

4. I thought it was very good

he was clear eyed, but called the republicans out. I think he did a good job of enumerating what his administration HAS done, and he really repeated the message that the mess he was left was tremendous.

[mia]

16. Well said. K&R

[treestar]

5. Kick

:party:

[Top Cat]

6. k

[Go2Peace]

15. Charismatic yes, policywise, this was to appeal to moderate (R)

I guess I should have expected it

[OregonBlue]

18. You really don't like this president and nothing he says or does will please you so why even bother

to comment on this post.

[Go2Peace]

40. I LOVE traditional Democratic Party values and that is what this site is about

You can try and "Frame" my feelings like the republicans do. But if you look at my post history you will see that I NEVER have said I don't "like" the President. I would love to meet him at a Barbeque, I like him and he has a nice family. But as for his policies they don't win me over. And I ALWAYS talk POLICY. What is your problem with that?

[Bobbie Jo]

113. You noticed too, huh?

:shrug:

[Fire1]

114. The sooner you and others like you get it through your heads

that he IS MODERATE, the better off you'll be. Being 'progressive' is NOT his claim to fame and NEVER HAS BEEN. Your candidate LOST and the country has spoken. Get. Over. it. already.

edit to add: Moderate does NOT mean Republican. Stop spewing misinformation.

[rzemanfl]

7. k&r

[Jackeens]

8. Wonderful. K&R

:toast:

[mzmolly]

9. What if I thought it was

GREAT!? :hi: :kick:

[LoZoccolo]

11. I actually didn't even see it.

I was coming home from work lol.

[mzmolly]

14. It's a MUST see.

I DVR'd so I see the re-run.

[LoZoccolo]

41. Yeah I think I'll have time to go d/l it on Friday or Saturday.

But in the meantime I wanted to start a thread to keep the haters down lol! :hi: again!

[Bobbie Jo]

10. Kicked. Ass.

:kick:

[jazzwinders]

12. kick

[Booster]

13. I liked it, but now I want him to take that spine he found and do

something with it - all the other Dems too.

[PSzymeczek]

17. Yes.

Now go forth and ACT ON IT!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

21. he will

he needs our help

[cilla4progress]

23. Tell me what we can do

What I can do?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

29. start going door to door & spread the word

write letters to the editor
call or meet members of congress reason with them over healthcare jobs. Tell them stop taking the money
etc

[cilla4progress]

44. Done it, but

I don't think it's enough

[Rosa Luxemburg]

121. need to keep the pressure up on the senate and house

[butterfly77]

91. Already done...

And the President kicked :kick: :kick: :kick:

[ncteechur]

19. kickipoo

[PJPhreak]

20. More like he opened one of these!

[pnorman]

144. Thanks for that image!

It'll be put to good use!

[damonm]

22. K'ed and R'ed!

[csziggy]

24. K&R

[cilla4progress]

25. I cried

I thought it was superior!

[jenmito]

26. 50th R.

[doc03]

27. Excellent n/t

[MindandSoul]

28. Great! Strong, fair, and with just enough humor and "calling names"

[NoSheep]

30. Kick

[otohara]

31. he rocked it

get tough Mr. President

[HopeOverFear]

32. he kicked some ass tonight.

[margotb822]

33. I'd definitely like to see him in this form more often...nt

[akbacchus_BC]

34. Fantastic Speech, K&R. Just hope he leaves the rethugs behind and

carry on with his policies. Did I ever tell you that I love your President just for the person, not the looks. Loved Bill Clinton too and still do!

[akbacchus_BC]

35. Forgot to say that I really really want President Obama to succeed,

he wins, we win. And he not gonna lose, trust me from across the border. You all have yourself a great President, work with him, ignore the naysayers.

[iceman66]

36. Best I've ever seen.

[jillan]

37. I concur!

[johnaries]

38. Awesome! the last 15 minutes should go viral and be repeated

again and again. The part where the chamber was dead silent and Obama was "dead" serious. That was the most powerful part of his speech.

But it will be ignored as the pundits dissect and parse every little nuance to make the point THEY want to make. As they ignore the message.

[akbacchus_BC]

39. fuck the pundits, the President laid out his plans and even if you disagree

with him, call him. He is working his ass off for his country unlike effing Bush!

[lib_wit_it]

47. Hmmmm. I don't know. How much brush has he cleared?

[ProgressOnTheMove]

42. Definitely nailed every point. Some may critique the speeches but they are ...

our best and finest tool in our armory right now.

Pres. Obama "WE ARE STRONG!" :patriot:

[Silver Gaia]

43. Not just good... excellent! K & R

[Pushed To The Left]

45. He did a great job tonight

[bunny planet]

46. Yes he did

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[impik]

48. One of the best ever. Especially under the circumstances

[change_notfinetuning]

49. I felt a thrill going up my legs and torso. As soon as I see actions on behalf of

the American people instead of Wall Street, actions promoting peace as much as war, actions to achieve health care reform instead of health care deform, and actions with the sweet scent of change and not reeking of business as usual, then that thrill will go up past my neck and to my brain.

But was it a good speech? C'mon, do lobbyists control Congress? Of course it was a good speech. Can he give a bad one?

K&R

[theFrankFactor]

153. You must be sober... LOL!

[Skittles]

50. yes the man gives purty speeches

that's well fucking known and hardly in dispute

[FrenchieCat]

53. You've become more bitter by the minute....

something I've noticed about you.

[Fire1]

72. At least he's not two-faced about it. That's more than I can say

for alot of those on the band wagon all of a sudden. I'm not impressed.

[Skittles]

107. you don't even want to know what I've noticed about you

[bahrbearian]

93. Talk is cheap.

[Skittles]

108. becoming cheaper by the minute too

[theFrankFactor]

152. Careful...

(pssst, I agree.)

[dmr]

51. It was an awesome speech. Calling out the shameful SCOTUS-5 made me cheer

right along with the rest of the Dems

:bounce: :applause: :fistbump:

[stevenleser]

52. K&R... but... what Skittles said...

... must be put down and once and for all. Not that she said it, that there is the perception that there are not appropriate actions to back up the words.

[FrenchieCat]

54. Yep....it's horseshit.....

He'd done plenty and he will do even more.
In the end, his foes will be proven wrong.

[stevenleser]

55. Well... that isnt exactly what I meant. But... perception is reality and this perception is

addressable by a couple of precision actions on Pres. Obama's part.

[FrenchieCat]

56. He's done a lot already......

and he's in the middle of doing more.

and folks who repeat the fucked up media lie that he hasn't,
far as I'm concerned are liars.

[stevenleser]

61. I agree that he has done a lot. But he hasnt explained it well and there have been strategic misses

in terms of reaching out to communities, gay rights and more direct and aggressive action to create jobs.

I think they have gotten the message if the SOTU address is any indication. Now, we need to see the results.

[change_notfinetuning]

64. So am I a liar? (See my post above.) The OP was asking whether it was a good

SOTU speech, which I answered in the affirmative and even rec'd. I opined further and, the way I see it, you called me a liar. It seems to me that your comments are uncivil - calling me a liar - and in violation of DU rules.

Care to explain?

[BklnDem75]

74. Do you need coffee?

She didn't respond to you at all, so your rage is manufactured for starters. She didn't call anyone a liar, she called someone's opinion, similar to yours, bullshit. And even if she did call you a liar... so what? Show me the rule about calling anyone a liar.

[LoZoccolo]

83. BAAAAAAAAW! n/t

[LoZoccolo]

86. I know what they'll say already though. You show them a huge list and they go "oh, that again".

As if whether or not they are tired of hearing something makes it true or untrue. I see that a lot lately. These people make themselves impossible to reach and then wonder why they are viewed as pests.

[icee]

80. Not a chance in the world. Did you see the market's response

to this lovely word salad of hopes and dreams?

[Fire1]

106. By 1 to 2 percent! That's a lousy ass response and means

absolutley nothing. Stocks go up and down every damn day.

[icee]

115. Does the concept "proximate cause" mean anything to you? Yes,

the sun comes up and goes down every day too. But a stock market battered for days would have shown some positive movement had it, or the participants thereof, thought Obama's speech would translate into action. Never mind..."Great speech. Goshes, we are so lucky. Whoopee, we are off to the races now." Beat goes ob...

[Fire1]

116. 1 to 2% in not enough to declare "proximate cause." If the

market had taken a dive, then yes. Otherwise, that's just exaggeration and melodrama.

[efhmc]

124. Actually not in this case since going through with rules and

regs against them would make them a tad less rich.

[Paper Roses]

57. First one I watched in years. Could not stand to see GWB speaking.

I thought the speech was excellent. Lets see if the opposition feels they ought to pay attention.

[lamp_shade]

58. Yup.

[me b zola]

59. K&R

:thumbsup:

[secondwind]

60. THE BEST 'SOCIALIST' SPEECH I NEVER HEARD! IMMENSE K&R!!

[JoePhilly]

62. Excellent

[quaker bill]

63. K&R

[whathehell]

65. Good Speech...Liked the way he "set it straight" regarding his tax cuts and the

recent SC decision.

[Rozlee]

77. I don't want to see tax cuts. I want to see massive tax increases.

The wealthy had 90% to 70%of their income taxed for decades in the middle 20th century, which were considered America's "Golden Years" by conservatives. And the economy boomed. Obama should have given a "what have the wealthy done for us lately?" speech and pointed out how the middle class has shrunk as tax cuts have gone to the wealthiest. He should have pointed out ESPECIALLY how corporations have done nothing for the American worker but downsize them as they merged, outsourced, hid assets in offshore accounts, taken massive tax breaks, capital gain tax cuts, CEO obscene bonuses, and generally gorged themselves on the middle class. The people are already angry at fat cat bankers, insurance companies, morgage companies, CEOs, etc. Working them up into a frenzy wouldn't have been that hard.

And the Rethugs would have looked silly defending the rich and yelling out about "class warfare." After all, their only plan and mantra for doing anything for the economy is tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts. To the wealthiest.

Obama should have announced that he was increasing the tax rate for the wealthy and corporations to over 50% unless they created quality jobs in the U.S. Vilifying and demonizing the opposition has worked so well for Republicans. He should have pointed out how that would have filled the revenue coffers and shrank the deficit.

And any corporations that sought to escape by moving away would be punished severely by import taxes on goods and services.

Like I said, the opposition wins by painting us as the bad guys. Calling us fascists and Nazis. And that's when we're trying to HELP middle class Americans. Obama should have used the bully pulpit to announce a massive tax increase on the wealthy and corporations.

And as someone pointed out, if the corporations want to be treated as persons, they should be taxed as such. A lot.

[bahrbearian]

95. +1

[whathehell]

136. That's why I labelled it "good" an not "great......Actually, I agree with everything you said

I'm simply glad that he took credit for giving tax cuts to 95% of the people, so the Repubs couldn't label him a "tax and spend liberal", blah blah.

[northernlights]

149. tax cuts won't help those who of us who now earn so little we pay no taxes

I used to pay 3 times in taxes what I currently gross. Oops...sorry. I forgot...once we've fallen out of "middle class" and off the unemployment roles, we cease to exist.... :yoiks:

[whathehell]

159. I agree.....

and I was once in your position, so please don't put words in my mouth....The Democratic party's apparent "decision" to basically address the "middle class" instead of the poor, is not one I support.

[mac56]

66. yup

[voteearlyvoteoften]

67. ok

[alittlelark]

68. It really was a great SOTU address.

[nyc 4 Biden]

69. kayandare

[hedgehog]

70. Hell Yeah!

[Fire1]

71. and rec. n/t

[Richd506]

73. K & R

[FailureToCommunicate]

75. Very good speech, yes, BUT Obama needed to be that forceful before today. Let's hope he

continues the strong talk to push more of the spineless Congress to just "get 'er done"!
Not so much "fireSIDE chats" as fireBRAND chats are needed!

[mochajava666]

76. Great Speech

[karynnj]

78. K & R

Tour de force!

[colsohlibgal]

79. Nice But.....

He's already proved he can talk. Talk is cheap. He needs to start doing lots more for Main Street than for Wall Street, Big Insurance, Big Pharma. He needs to walk the walk. I'm skeptical much will really happen with Rahm still in the room.

Also - why is defense spending immune to his freeze? Why is this still a sacred cow, there are mountains of waste there. If you look at a pie chart of our expenditures you can see what a black hole this is.

Once he ends the costly and counter productive wars and passes a much better health care bill that the one the Senate passed I'll join into the cheerleading and take a swig of the Kool Aid if it hasn't been all guzzled down today.

[theaocp]

81. k & r, but we already know he gives good speeches

I want a strong president that takes the fight to those who wish to harm this country, both foreign and domestic. Enough words, dammit. Enough words.

[old mark]

82. I just saw it this morning. I was prepared not to like it, but I am very impressed -

with most of his plans and programs, and I am happy it seems to have gone over so well with the public in general.
Plus, I always love it when the republicans make themselves look stupid on TV.

mark

[snacker]

84. Kick. n/t

[yellerpup]

85. Kick!

:kick: & Rec

[Blue_Roses]

87. k&r

:kick:

[loweforcongress]

88. Nicely done.

Proud of what I heard. Now lets make it happen!

[MindandSoul]

89. A homerun!!! Viva Obama!

[Bette Noir]

90. When God was giving out charm, Obama got into line three times.

I tried not to watch, but got sucked in. Damn, that man can talk!

[tigereye]

92. I did - it was excellent and invigorating and put a stop to all the "woe is me"

blathering by the media.

[alp227]

94. For him, speech is easy. However, doing is...harder.

Every frickin' minute, he had to pause to allow the members of Congress applaud and cheer him on. Now, we shall see if he upholds what he promised or gives any good reason why he wants to change his mind.

I congratulate him on wanting to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", among the most useless, discriminatory laws the US has ever passed (and I can't believe Clinton, not Reagan or Bush 41, signed it), wanting to aid the middle class more, and planning on budgeting "like those poor families".

[madmax]

96. k & r

[Iggo]

97. "Rec this thread if..."?

Not a chance.

[Irish_shark]

150. The best, easiest way to make it to the Greatest Thread page n/t

[Iggo]

156. And also the lamest. (n/t)

[zappaman]

98. K &R

K & R

[DesertDiamond]

99. I'm SO glad it was well received! I was really impressed with the parts I read

He seems to be back to being the buttkicker I saw during his campaign. I pray he continues in this mode.

[Gorobei]

100. Great speech, but speechifying has never been his problem, want to see some DEEDS! n/t

[daleanime]

101. Overall a solid and steading speech...

now lets get things done.:bounce:

[Techn0Girl]

102. Obama ALWAYS gives great speeches....

Creating affordable health care, jobs or real finance reform - not so much.
Great speech though.

[swilton]

103. There's no question that he gives good speeches

Every one knows that he can walk and cheew gum at the same time (unlike his predecessor). A better question would be do you expect him to deliver on them?

[JDPriestly]

104. He always gives good speeches.

Now, we'll see what he does and most important what he does first.

[closeupready]

105. K&R

It was a good speech. :)

[timeforpeace]

109. K&R.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

110. Yes, it was a great speech.

[graywarrior]

111. He kicked ass, and I loved it.

[BenjaminFranklin]

112. hell to the yeah

great speech!

[groovedaddy]

117. Even though I disagree with a few Huge policy issues, he got the job done.

I particularly liked is smack done of the repubs for creating this huge mess in the first place and the obstructionism in the 2nd.
Watching how the chamber responded to various parts of O's speech is always entertaining, particularly when he looked dead at the repubs and told them "I thought you would applaud that" - tax cuts for the middle class...turned away and then turned back and chuckled at them, eliciting a few laughs and hand claps from the red side.
Obama is the FDR of our age and THEY hate him for it.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

118. gave me chills.

and a few phrases to keep.

Just stating the facts....



I think it was tremendous.

Yes. Yes, I do.

[PJPhreak]

119. Kickkity! nt

[Hydra]

120. It was a great speech

Except for the "clean nuke and coal" and the spending freeze, I think he nailed every point. It was refreshing to see Obama the candidate again.

But as many have said already, waiting for the second half. Had he done all of this before now, this could have been his speech:

"It was a great year- we turned the economy around, brought millions back to work, broke up the banks and other institutions that were 'too big to fail' and agressively prosecuted both the war criminals of the past Administration and the people on Wall St. that saw the United States Government as their personal ATM machine. We have made great strides in clean energy technology, and are working toward 100% employment. This was not easy, but we are not planning to stop there."

[saracat]

122. Good speech but actions must match words and actively consulting

with Billy Tauzin, and many other lobbyists while campaigning against doing business with them is insulting.As is quoting the very WH logs that prove he met with Tauzin every two weeks for months before making the request that the Drug Reimportation Bill be pulled.And the many Obama appointments who were given "exemptions" from the lobbyist exclusion prove the point that the anti lobbyist rehtoric is just that rhetoric.In fact , Obama, after campaigning steadfastly against the appointment of lobbyist, proposed one of the most famous lobbyists of all, Tom Daschle, for health sec.Daschle only withdrew because of tax problems. Yeah, I know THIS time the president REALLY means it.

[ailsagirl]

123. kick

[diane in sf]

125. the energy part was scary--too many old toxic industries, the rest pretty good

[Change Happens]

126. WAYYYY Awesome!

[Th1onein]

127. k

eom

[ObamaKerryDem]

128. Happily K&R! :) I think it's probably the most 'fired up' he's been..

..since his acceptance speech at the convention! THAT is the man I voted for. :kick:

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[sallyseven]

131. You are a moron.

Go away.

[riverbendviewgal]

132. My Canadian friends and I wish Obama could be our Prime Minister

Our current one, Stephen Harper, is so worried about the polls and his decline in popularity that he closed down our Parliament for 3 months in a Prorogue ... which costs s $134 million dollars and any bills in progress are killed and have to start all over again.

He didn't want to face the questions about the torture in Afghanistan.

Obama is very much loved up here in Canada.

[Lilyeye]

133. K&R

[SweepPicker]

134. K&R

Great speech!

[JimWis]

135. K&R

[NecklyTyler]

137. K&R

[Ticonderoga]

138. Obamas Speeches

are never the problem as he's a very good orator. The problem O has is walking the talk. He's got a pattern of saying one thing and behind closed doors,(literally speaking), doing exactly something completely different i.e. back door deals with corporate lobbyists. I won't be convinced until I see some real "change" in his leadership. So, K&R for the speech being good, but that's where it ends for me.

[DKRC]

139. K&R

:thumbsup:

[Taverner]

140. No one ever accused Obama of being a bad speaker

I mean shit, the man can give speeches that give your bones goosebumps!

I just want results based on that speech...

[underpants]

141. Loved it

[The Wizard]

142. kick

:dem:

[Moosepoop]

143. K&R! n/t

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[Roselma]

146. Yes...

Saw it again. It was good, but it wasn't great. I'm soooo glad that it wasn't McCain giving a SOTU.

[Djarun]

147. Did anyone notice at the end how the RebubliCONs couldn't get out fast enough?

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[theFrankFactor]

151. Well... Let's Try This Again...

I didn't like the Presidents speech. I don't feel good when I listen to him because I felt good when he was campaigning, thinking he was going to bring "Hope & Change" but, in my opinion (if that's okay) HE DIDN'T and HE ISN'T.

I can not in good conscience get behind his rhetoric anymore. He is more about form than substance. It pains me to see how many people respond to rhetoric from our President even as his actions betray his real commitments. Furthermore, in my opinion (if that's okay) you can not blame Congress alone, nor can you blame a Republican minority. I'll let you infer where the responsibility lies because if I tell you my post may disappear.

[varelse]

154. OMFG

the world is about to end.

I have not only recommended one of your threads, I'm kicking it too. :blush:

[jeanpalmer]

155. My god how easily people can be fooled

by speeches. Remember this one: "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." Barack Obama, October 27, 2007.

This thread and the gullibility displayed in it makes you just shake your head and say WTF. Are people really this desperate?

[EmeraldCityGrl]

157. Great speech, now follow through and and this could be the most

dynamic and change producing administration of our lifetimes.

K&R

[seaker]

158. K & R

[Turborama]

160. Glad to see this is still kick-able

:kick: