Did I miss a memo? Why no talk of Don't ask Don't tell this morning?

[peace13]

What's up with that?

[rucky]

1. Probably a wait-and-see attitude

from the last few times he's promised this.

[Robb]

2. My guess as well.

It was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment in the speech, too. It needs some post-game substance from staff.

But I'm encouraged.

[Fire1]

19. +3. n/t

[bigwillq]

3. Glad it was mentioned

I think it's a good start. But let's see what happens. Actions count more to me. Let's hope they can get this done. When they do, that's when I will celebrate.

[lunatica]

4. You can't talk when you're holding your breath

hoping that this time is different. There comes a time when one wants to believe the words but can't until the actions match.

[RoadRage]

5. Because no one on this board can BITCH about it.. so why start a thread about it?

Honestly.. I thought the same thing.. I thought there would be 30 threads on it when I jumped on this morning.. and yours was the first i've seen.

The Obama hate is so thick here, that the guy could deliver gold bars to some DU members, and they'd start a thread about how the President left a pile of heavy metal on their porch and now they have to move it. Makes me wanna :puke:

[BR_Parkway]

14. Just out of curiosity - is there anything Obama's done that you haven't

liked?

Plenty of folks here, who constantly get accused of "hating" have posted things both good and bad - there are some things Obama has been way out in front about and I like the way he handled it. Others, especially keeping promises to the GLBT community, I've bitched about plenty. That's not hate - it's opinion and I doubt most folks are going to agree with every single thing any POTUS does (or Speaker or Majority Leader) - they're people, not demi-gods.

So I have to ask you - can you point out any place that you've been critical of him? Because hero worship is equally :puke: worthy

[RoadRage]

25. Ah.. so supporting the DEMOCRATIC President is now "Hero Worship"?

No, there isn't a lot he has done yet that I'd say I hate. There is a lot more I hope he will do - but a year in, I give him time ('cause he still has 3 years left to go).

So, where is your OP about how happy you are that he is asking for DODT to be put on his desk? That's my point.. not many posts on here today about people being happy when he does something that they want (finally). It's.. "Let's move on to the next issue that he hasn't resolved and start on that".

Many here are no better then Republicans. Obama does something they agree with, but rather then give him credit or acknowledge it at all, they just move on to the next thing they don't like. Republicans are doing that today with Nuclear Energy, Small Business Tax Cuts, and the spending freeze. He asked for the repeal of DODT, so they can still be pissed too. People here? Well, he asked for the DADT repeal, but he's comprimising on spending and allowing potential Nuclear energy - so he's worthless.

He can't win.. no matter what he does. Alot of people in that position would just give up.. i'm glad he doesn't.

[Fire1]

20. Nail. On. The. Head. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

6. I just reviewed the transcipt and found the wee mention

Live, I missed it because my cat sneezed. Wake me if something actually happens.

[Jamastiene]

9. +1

[QC]

7. Did you check the greatest page? There are five or six listed there.

Of course, you didn't actually post this because you were looking for the DADT threads, did you?

[jonnyblitz]

10. apparently we ungrateful gays aren't grovelling in gratitude

enough.

[QC]

33. We really should treat our betters with more respect, you know. n/t

[peace13]

27. Actually, think what you want to.

That's part of that work together attitude we're striving for.

[peace13]

28. About the greatest page.

I went and looked on your recommendation but didn't see the posts that you are speaking of. In response to your question, did I check, the answer is no because since the invention of the UR I don't really bother to go there. I did check latest and GD Pres FYI.

[Jamastiene]

8. Once bitten, twice shy.

We'll believe it when we see it. Snake oil salesmen who have sold us shit before tend to have to try harder the next time around.

[impik]

11. Because saying good things about Obama is a serious no-no

[Starry Messenger]

12. Is this what you woke up worried about? n/t

[Tailormyst]

13. Because words are not actions.

And we've heard plenty of words with zero actions or actions in the opposite direction more then a few times. Forgive us if we don't crack open the champagne.

[Jennicut]

15. Hearings were going to happen soon anyway...most likely in Feb. now

Levin says they are well on their way here. But to see him say and it and Gates clapping for it was important. If he worked on the military first and then goes to Congress he has bypassed Clinton's problems with getting gays in the military in the first place. It is much more popular now then back in 1993, more support in the public now. I think the ban will be lifted by the end of the year. If not, he faces more backlash from gays and people who are not but support gay rights (like me).

[bigwillq]

16. I will give them until the end of the year.

I will be satisfied if it's done by at least the end of this year (2010), since it was included in this year's speech. No reason why they can't attempt to get it done this year.

[Jennicut]

17. I am encouraged by what Levin had to say but it is a wait and see thing.

[bigwillq]

18. Indeed (nt)

[Zenlitened]

21. But, while hearings go forward, I would very much like to see...

... Pres. Obama suspend DADT discharges.

That has GOT TO be a part of this process, IMO.

[bigwillq]

22. Very good point.

I agree with you. Let's see what they do.

[Robb]

23. It would be only sensible, I agree.

...I'll be interested to see if they do.

[peace13]

30. On that day we will have to celebrate yet wonder what we have lost by this outrageous policy.

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. Don't ask me that, because I can't tell you. But seriously, though,

you would think we'd be hearing more about it.

[GoCubsGo]

26. Because the vast majority of the country is far more concerned about getting a fucking job.

Myself included.

[Posteritatis]

32. The country can talk about multiple things at once

And I imagine some people who are employed by the military might appreciate a move that would make it less likely for them to be fired for an arbitrary reason.

[GoCubsGo]

35. They can, but they don't.

And I imagine most people are too concerned about the economy, and about either finding a job or hanging onto the one they have now that they are unable to consider anything else right now. Lots of people out there are scared shitless. They are more concerned about keeping a roof over their heads and feeding their children. Discussing DADT is the last thing on their minds right now. Not saying it's right, but that is how it is.

[Posteritatis]

37. Translation: discussing DADT is the last thing on your mind. (nt)

[GoCubsGo]

39. Sorry, but yes.

I am more concerned about not losing my house and everything else right now. I'm sorry if that upsets you. But, hey, if you want to make a few mortgage payments for me, or give me a job, I'll be happy to spend more time thinking about DADT.

[QC]

34. The 2-3 LGBT service members who get canned every single day

would probably love to keep their jobs.

[GoCubsGo]

38. And, I'm sorry for them.

2-3 THOUSAND people (at least) are being laid off every day thanks to the economy being in the shitter, and would probably love to keep their jobs, too. I am just saying that there are an awful lot of us who are not discussing it because we have our own problems trying to stay afloat.

[QC]

40. Oh, I agree that there are so many things on our minds now.

I have been out of work more times than I care to think about, and I am truly sorry to hear what you are going through.

[GoCubsGo]

41. Thanks.

I understand why people want to repeal DADT. And, I sympathize with the gay and lesbians in the military. Honest. I do. I always thought DADT was bullshit. But, far, far more people have other far more pressing priorities right now--like trying to stay afloat. That's all I was trying to say.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

29. It's the Initiative that Dare Not Speak Its Name.

[boppers]

36. Dude. Kudos for literature points and cleverness, but... OUCH. eom

[MISSDem]

31. I noticed all of the military types sitting like wooden soldiers

when he made the remark about ending "don't ask, don't tell".