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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:07 PM
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Nate Silver: Obama's No F.D.R. -- Nor Does He Have F.D.R.'s Majority
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 08:38 PM by babylonsister
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/03/obamas-no-fdr-nor-does-he-have-fdrs.html

Obama's No F.D.R. -- Nor Does He Have F.D.R.'s Majority
by Nate Silver @ 11:55 AM


Every time I read an article like this from the Weekly Standard's Fred Barnes:

Is Obama the new FDR? The answer is no.

If Franklin Delano Roosevelt were president today <...> liberal health care reform would have been enacted already. <...>

The reason is tied to what is probably the greatest difference between FDR and Obama. Roosevelt took command of Washington. Obama hasn’t. “FDR became the father of the modern presidency by moving the Chief Executive to the center of the American political universe,” John Yoo writes in his new book on presidential power, Crisis and Command. “Roosevelt’s revolution radically shifted the balance of power among the three branches of government.” <...>

FDR seized legislative authority. The bills that Congress passed in his first 100 days and beyond were produced by the Roosevelt administration and ratified reflexively by Congress.


...I wonder why there's no mention of this:



When F.D.R. took over the Presidency in 1933, the Democrats controlled 64 percent of the Senate seats and 73 percent (!) of the House seats, counting independents who were sympathetic to the party. And those numbers only increased over the next couple of midterms -- during their peak during 1937-38, the Democrats actually controlled about 80 percent (!) of the seats in both chambers. Obama, by contrast, came into his term with 59 percent majorities in both chambers. That's not much to complain about by the standards of recent Presidencies, but is nevertheless a long way from where F.D.R. stood during his first two terms, or for that matter where L.B.J.'s numbers were during the 1965-66 period, when the bulk of the Great Society programs were implemented.

F.D.R. and L.B.J. might have been great cleanup hitters -- and you'll get no argument from me that Obama's aptitude at shepherding his agenda through Congress has been mixed, at best. But they basically spent the first several years of their Presidencies playing in the Congressional equivalent of Coors Field. Considering how dramatic the impact of the loss of just one Senate seat has been on both the perception and the reality of Obama's agenda, that needs to be kept in mind when drawing the comparison.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:08 PM
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1. FDR also won a bigger landslide in 1932 and 1936
Presidents who win by that kind of margin inspire fear in Congressmen.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:28 PM
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4. Obama goes out of his way to ensure that he's feared by no one
nor in many cases, even respected by members of or key constituencies in his own party!

And the results of that are plain to see- and getting plainer by the week.

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warm regards Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:35 PM
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5. You nailed it...
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brand404 Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 10:16 PM
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7. +10,000
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 02:54 AM
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8. Hang in there. It's less than three years to go, and then you'll get a much better president
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 02:55 AM by impik
I'm sure...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:01 AM
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9. Actually, the way the administration has been behaving- there may well be a different president
come 2013.

and they'll have no one to blame but their own selves.
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:13 PM
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2. I'd love to see that chart for every president...anyone know where to find that?
damn...nate silver is a #'s god.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:21 PM
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3. There will never be another FDR
the Supreme Court made doubly sure of that. No one with any sense should have been expecting another FDR.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 09:38 PM
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6. Isn't that cute? NT
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 05:03 AM
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10. Interesting. Kicked and rec'd
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 08:05 AM
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11. Obama has NEVER said he was F.D.R this article is B/S
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 08:18 AM
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12. Where does it say in this article that Obama said he was FDR?
A r/w loon was comparing them, not Obama.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 06:19 PM
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13. Hell, Obama's not even much of a ...
community organizer.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 06:19 PM
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14. Hell, Obama's not even much of a ...
community organizer.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 06:25 PM
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15. Even with those huge majorities, FDR passed a half-strength Social Security bill.
It didn't become "full strength" until about 8 years later.
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