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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:05 PM
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In Healthcare Remarks Obama Rejects Both the Left and the Right
Two things:

1. This is dishonest. He says he doesn't want to give more power to government bureaucrats OR insurance bureaucrats and he wants to give more control to us. But by not including a public option, he is taking away our choice and requiring us to buy a private, for profit product. He is not Solomon splitting the baby--he's giving the whole baby to insurance companies.

2. I do not vote for Democrats so they will insult me and pursue Republican policies. I want them to fight for progressive policies by every procedural means possible and only grudgingly cede ground when absolutely necessary. Obama did not twist the arms of the corrupt Blue Dogs and DLC in any way perceptible way to make health care reform more progressive. Instead, he pushed the policy far to the right to attract GOP votes that he will never get.

There are many good things in the bill, but it could have been and still could be much stronger if Democrats would put good policy, saving money, saving lives, and listening to the voters ahead of in your face corruption.

Why exactly do Democratic politicians think we are going to get out of bed on election day to vote for them, because they screw us 5% less than the GOP? Do they think most people are going to look for that 5% if it isn't so obvious that even the MSM and right wing press can't hide it? Obama and the Democrats in Congress are running out of time to pull their heads out of their asses.

If the vote is close enough to steal in the fall, the GOP will do so.

And they won't be as nice to us as they were under Bush.


First Obama discussed the position of the left, “On one end of the spectrum, there are some who have suggested scrapping our system of private insurance and replacing it with government-run health care. Though many other countries have such a system, in America it would be neither practical nor realistic.” This was a sound repudiation of the idea that Obama is a socialist, or that his healthcare proposal is nationalized medicine. It also should make liberals who support a government run system very happy either.

Next the president tackled the position of the right, “On the other end of the spectrum, there are those, including most Republicans in Congress, who believe the answer is to loosen regulations on the insurance industry – whether it’s state consumer protections or minimum standards for the kind of insurance they can sell. I disagree with that approach. I’m concerned that this would only give the insurance industry even freer rein to raise premiums and deny care.”

Instead he is looking for the middle, “I don’t believe we should give government bureaucrats or insurance company bureaucrats more control over health care in America. I believe it’s time to give the American people more control over their own health insurance. I don’t believe we can afford to leave life-and-death decisions about health care to the discretion of insurance company executives alone. I believe that doctors and nurses like the ones in this room should be free to decide what’s best for their patients.”

http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-healthcare-remarks
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:12 PM
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1. I don't understand this quote:
"I don’t believe we should give government bureaucrats or insurance company bureaucrats more control over health care in America. I believe it’s time to give the American people more control over their own health".

Governmental "policy" controls "government bureaucrats". Governmental policy is dictated by the Executive and Legislative bodies. In other words, he is acting like the executive branch (his executive branch) are a bunch of rogue fools.

How many ways does he think he can have it? I guess since its Obama he can talk out of every side of his mouth with few noticing.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:13 PM
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:37 PM
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6. I am done.
No way will I vote for him again.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:46 PM
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7. I'm sorry for your loss.
I sincerely mean it. I know you were a good supporter.

Was the teacher firing/union busting the final straw?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:03 PM
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8. Yes pretty much
Disgusted about his lack of leadership on healthcare too.

I didn't bust my butt getting him elected. But I did bust my butt lobbying for health care reform. That one hurts.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:18 PM
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10. Buh bye.
:hi:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:23 PM
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3. this sounds like pure Rahm: meant to calm some potential corporate donors and be
innocuous (and therefore impotent) with voters.

The problem is, Republicans won't buy it no matter how conciliatory, independents won't care, and progressives will be insulted--a lose-lose-lose.

Democrats need to dig in their heels on something or they will be digging their own grave.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:29 PM
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5. You can't blame Rahm.
That just doesn't fly.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 07:15 PM
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15. Political rhetoric doesn't always have to make sense, but rather sound catchy
Sounds a tad Palinish honestly.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:25 PM
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4. That last statement is a bunch of "post partisan" gobbly goop
No reason whatsoever that through an expanded a public option over time that American can't have a two tiered private and public universal health care system like Australia's that would cost less and deliver more care.

What Obama and others are really telling you here is that as Americans you're second class citizens. You don't deserve access to basic health care or necessary medication- and you deserve to go bankrupt if you or a family member falls ill or is injured.

In other words- you're not as good as, nor are you worth as much as Australians- or people in other western (and some third world) nations.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:13 PM
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9. "...government-run health care." --
"Though many other countries have such a system, in America it would be neither practical nor realistic.”

That's funny, my Mom's Medicare works GREAT for her. Go figure. :freak:

What a bunch of horseshit. :puke:
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:29 PM
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11. a lot of people didn't believe that a black man in the white house was either practical..
or realistic, yet here we are. put it to a vote and lets see exactly how impractical and unrealistic it is.
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:44 PM
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12. So if the Rest of the World is wrong why is Medicare the only one working?
Yea government run healthcare wont work yet Medicare is the ONLY system that works in the U.S. which happens to be government-run and loved by the people which happens to resemble what the rest of the world is doing....humph....sounds like bullshit political speak to me.
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:47 PM
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13. I wish Obama would stand out by being strong and take a chance for once -- Single Payer is proven
to work everywhere and yet he just cant muster the balls to at least try to see if it can get the votes. Very sad. He aint no FDR. I would respect him if he at least put up the fight and failed than someone who is always afraid to try. I doubt i will vote for him in 2012...i hate weakness
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 09:24 PM
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16. unfortunately, I don't even think it's weakness. Democrats want to be the go-to corporate party
but they think Democratic voters are too stupid to figure that out.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:56 PM
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 10:03 PM
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17. About the not gving "insurance company bureaucrats more control over health care in America"
that's exactly what this scam does. It further embeds a corrupt industry that makes its money by keeping people from accessing health care.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:43 AM
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18. Is he a neo-con, is the real question...?
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