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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:12 PM
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Al Franken on health care reform: Make us do this

Make us do this.

by Al Franken

This week President Obama asked Congress to stand strong and finish the job of fixing our busted health insurance system. I couldn't agree more, and now we've got a plan to get this done.

I'm calling this strategy "Pledge & Pass," and it's a simple, two-step plan for passing meaningful health insurance reform. I believe it's our job as public servants to actually serve the public, and ending the suffering of millions of Americans under our current system is exactly what our constituents expect and deserve.

Here's the plan.

Step 1.
United States Senators pledge to fix elements of the bill that are not acceptable to many House members, and the House pass the Senate bill as is.

Step 2. We in the Senate fulfill our pledge to the House, fix the elements that need fixing, and pass this critical legislation through a filibuster-proof budget process known as reconciliation.

As I've said for years, letting perfect reform be the enemy of a good bill would be a tragic outcome for our constituents. Make no mistake about it; people are hurting as a result of decades of dithering on this issue, and it's past time we deliver real change.

Every day, middle class families go bankrupt and lose their homes. Sick folks don't get the health care they need, and as a result they're sicker, they experience pain, and they watch their children experience pain.

Every year, 45,000 people die because they lack health insurance, and it's long past time we put an end to it. It's time get a bill to the President's desk.

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:16 PM
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1. "45,000 people die because they lack health insurance"
No, they die because they lack access to health care. The one number we never hear is how many people with insurance die every year because they still couldn't get the care they needed.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:25 PM
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2. "No, they die because they lack access to health care."
So do the people who currently lack health insurance have health care?

Word parsing doesn't save lives. More than 250 million insured Americans have access to health care. Medicare maybe single payer, but it provides such access. Nearly 50 million Americans are without any coverage.




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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:34 PM
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4. and this bill only covers 31 million -- so 19 million can go shit in their hat?
What about THOSE people?

Oh right -- they get *parsed* out of the discussion.

:sarcasm:
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:37 PM
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5. Are you volunteering to pay - or at least get enthusiastic about a mandate
as spreading it around helps keep prices lower?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:44 PM
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6. Do you understand what a start means?
Do you understand that nearly 9 million are undocumented immgrants, for whom no other country with a national plan, single payer or otherwise, provides coverage?

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:23 PM
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13. So do all the people who currently have health insurance have appropriate access to care?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 02:23 PM by Oregone
And you know the answer is no.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:29 PM
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17. "And you know the answer is no." BS
Barring the insurance companies despicable practices that leave some people without adequate care, and relative to everything else, the majority of people do have access to adequate care. In fact, the problem for many is the cost.

Here's the question: Do all Americans who currently have Medicare have appropriate access to care?

The answer is not simply no, but hell no.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:44 PM
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24. "BS"? WTF? You couldn't be shilling more falsely
Despicable practices aside, its as if you've never heard of co-pays & deductibles (neither of which I have with my real universal healthcare). Making the lower classes pay at POS causes economic rationing.

Ive never seen such a blatant misrepresentation of truth from you. That is all
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:48 PM
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28. Yes, BS, as I explained. n/t
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:26 PM
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3. these bills fix that.


Not perfectly, but substantially.


especially for someone like me who doesn't have any health insurance.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:47 PM
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7. If there's one thing we learned from "Sicko" it's that "coverage" does not equal care
and there's an awful lot of people with insurance going broke because of medical bills. This bill may drop the number of uninsured people but all it does is add millions to the ranks of the under-insured (and the CBO says by 2017 there will still be 19 million uninsured.

It is misleading to tell people that that these insurance scams are going to allow them to get care, the only thing it will get them is "coverage". Most will still need to come up with cash (or credit) if they want care. There may be subsidies that make sure the insurance companies get their premiums paid, but there is not a whole lot of help available for covering out of pockets.

There's going to be a whole lot of public funds going straight into the pockets of a for-profit industry that makes its profits by denying us care and there's nothing to stop them from continuing to do that.

The bill is just a bail out for another bunch of crooks.


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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:57 PM
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8. You are just.plain.wrong

As someone w/o insurance for most of my life, I don't need lectures about ideology. I see, feel, and live the difference between having insurance and not having insurance. I am at risk because I don't have checkups, and try to self-diagnose everything I can.

These bills FORCE insurance companies to provide real coverage. They FORCE insurance companies to spend a certain amount of premium dollar on healthcare (I wish that amount was more, but this is better, much better than nothing). They FORCE insurance companies to accept anyone. The put healthy (not as healthy as I'd like, but still substantial) caps on out of pocket expenses. They GIVE subsidies to lower income people.

And much much more.


so called progressives who are opposed to real, substantial progress sicken me. If they have their way, they'll kill me.


I think some people ought to reflect on the meaning of the word "progress". Al Franken knows what "progress" means.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:59 PM
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9. + Freakin' ONE~
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:08 PM
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10. There are those of us with insurance who have deductibles that are so high
we still can't see the doctor and these bills allow out of pockets that are even higher than what my insurance currently has.

They may not be able to deny coverage, but there is nothing that says they can't jack the premium up so high you can't afford it. And there is nothing that says they can't play games about paying claims. Often times they deny claims for covered expenses just because hey know most people won't fight them on it. There's not a whole lot of enforcement writtien into the bill so f you think they can't cook the books and find ways around the MLR, you're dreaming.

They've been robbing us blind for years, they aren't going to stop now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:13 PM
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11. The bill eliminates co-pays and deductibles for preventive care
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 02:13 PM by ProSense
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act promotes preventive health care and improves the public health to help Americans live healthy lives and help restrain the growth of health care costs over time. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will eliminate co-pays and deductibles for recommended preventive care, including preventive care for women, provide individuals with the information they need to make healthy decisions, improve education on disease prevention and public health, and invest in a national prevention and public health strategy.

PDF

That is huge!

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:26 PM
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15. Thats not going to help you when you catch pneumonia
When some *need* the access, they wont be able to afford it.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:26 PM
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16. A lot of insurance, even the crappy ones, don't have out of pockets on preventative care
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 02:28 PM by dflprincess
Good luck if that preventative test comes back needing follow up.

A few years ago it cost just over $6,000 to find out the spot on my annual mammogram was benign. Fortunately, I had decent insurance then and the out of pocket was somewhere around $600. With my current insurance that cost would be at at least $1,300 and with what the House bill allows about $1,600. Had more treatment been need, my evenutal annual out of pocket costs with my current insurance could run $3,700 - with the House bill, $5,000. At least I have credit cards I could put those amounts on - and there's the other industry that will continue to be the big winner with the private insurance system we will continue to rely on.

They also play games with what's covered regarding a preventative test. A friend discovered that United Health Group didn't consider sedation to be part of the cost of the prevntative colonoscopy it supposedly pays for (I'd like to see UHG's CEO have one with out sedation). Another friend's policy claimed it wouldn't cover the "facility" fee for her husband's test. Apparently he should have had the doc come out to the car for the test. One of my coworkers wound up fighting with Cigna - they wouldn't pay the office visit for her annual pap smear because it appeared her doctor had also renewed her allery prescription that day.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:30 PM
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18. BS! n/t
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:33 PM
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19. That's an intelligent response
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 02:34 PM by dflprincess
and it is not BS. For a single person, the House bill allows an annual deductible (dedutible being what you pay before insurance coughs up a dime) of $1,500 with a max annual out of pocket of $5,000 (max out of pocket of $10,000 for a family).

If you even wind up with something as common as appendicitis, you'll be looking at having to come up with a whole lot of cash.




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:35 PM
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20. It's an intelligent response to repeated denial. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. And let me
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:47 PM
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27. And let me repeat. Screening mammograms are considered preventative
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 02:48 PM by dflprincess
as are pap smears and colonoscopies. And yes, the routine, preventative test is covered.

However, should that test indicate that you need follow up, the core needle and/or surgical biopsies are not considered preventative but diagnostic. The same is true of any oddness that shows up in a pap smear or colonoscopy - if it needs to be checked further you have moved from prevention to diagnosis.

Diagnositc procedures are subject to out of pocket limits.

Sudden illness like appendicitis or influenza are subject to out of of pocket limits.

Accidents are subject to out of pocket limits.

I don't think I'm the one in denial.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:52 PM
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29. "However, should that test indicate that you need follow up"
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 02:52 PM by ProSense
"However" has nothing to do with the fact that co-pays and deductibles for preventive care have been eliminated.

As for "however," the bill also addresses barring insurers from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions, bringing down premiums, capping out of pocket expenses and other significant issues.


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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. The screening tests don't do a whole lot of good if you can't afford the follow up
The caps on out of pocket expenses are as high or higher than what many people have now - and they are high enough to keep people from getting care. And there is nothing to keep the crooks from jacking premiums up so high you still can't afford "coverage".

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. However does matter when you need follow up care and have a 10K deductible
in addition to premiums.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. great. You're going to be so happy when this passes then


unless you're just hooked on being negative.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Hooked on people being able to use the health care system without
going broke, the Senate maximum deductible per year is $11,900.

Surely anyone who has a chronic condition will be able to afford that in addition to premiums, medications etc.



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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. And yet you're fighting against bills that would regulate the insurance
industry?



Guess it's not just pukes who vote against their own interest.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:03 PM
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32. Even Obama said the insurance industry needed to "be kept honest"
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 03:05 PM by dflprincess
yet, in the end, there isn't a whole lot in the bill he's pushing that will do that.

I always found it odd, that so many admit the industry is crooked, but they're fighting so hard to save it.




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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:40 PM
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36.  lol, like you're gonna destroy an industry

and if you can't, well fuck everyone who needs insurance.

Nice values you have there.


And yeah, there is much in these bills to FORCE insurance companies to give real value for the dollars spent with them.



We'd all like to see them out of business and their executives strung up. It ain't happening. deal with it.




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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. It's not happening because the Democrats have decided to pass a bill
that further embeds the crooks in the system. We don't need private for profit insurance that's the system we have now and it doesn't work. We need something that actually provides access to care.

Had the Democrats been willing, real reform might have passed. It makes no sense to think that while they couldn't pass reform with the majorities they have now, that they will be able to "fix" anything going forward. In the long run, we'd be better off to let the health insurance industries collapse on their own which they're going to do if they're not handed a captive bunch of consumers and public money to keep them going.

Nothing is going to force them to do anything they don't want to do. They contribute nothing of any value to health care (but plenty to "our" elected officials) - they exist soley to make money for their shareholders and corporate officers. You may be content to keep handing them money and getting little or nothing in return, I am not.



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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #11
23. Go away -you, you Al Franken Democrat you. It's not perfect. harummpfff!
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. Ever heard of deductibles & co-pays?
You may have insurance, but youll have to spend money to use it.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:41 PM
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22. Of course I've heard of them. These bills fix that.
not perfectly, but substantially.


And there are deductibles and co-pay even in some single-payer systems.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. How do these magic bills fix any of that?
The minimum actuarial values imposed are not all that wonderful whatsoever. Are you confused on this aspect?
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #26
34. No, I'm not confused.


I've read the synopsis of the bills, and I've used KFF's tool for finding what the bills mean for me (and millions of other uninsured people like me).


http://www.kff.org/healthreform/sidebyside.cfm
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. "for finding what the bills mean for me"
Well you got yours, so fuck everyone else.


And you need to hit those tools again hard. Just because you can have insurance, your economic situation may dictate you have to ration its usage. Google the term "actuarial".
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. lol. I've done without insurance most of my life.
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 05:07 PM by Schema Thing
I don't make much money, and I'm self-employed. I may not be the *worst* case scenario for needing healthcare reform in America, but I'm pretty damn close. The only reason I wouldn't be a worst case scenario is that I'm a relatively healthy person. But I'm just a disease or accident away from showing up in the emergency room for that free republican brand "health-care-for-free-for-everyone-in-America".


Here, this is you, projecting: "Well you got yours, so fuck everyone else."



Funniest thing I've ever read; and it's coming from someone who wants to fuck everyone, because *you* didn't get *your* way.


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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. "I don't make much money"
Then you'll have a hard time with the copays and deductibles for a low actuarial plan youll be able to afford
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #7
30. Exactly, many people will join the ranks of the underinsured, over half of bankruptcies
were people that had insurance when the illness began.

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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. And those people will get substantial help under these bills



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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. Please link to the sections that show what kind and how much help
people who can't afford the out of pockets are going to get because I can't find them. I'd be especially interested to know what help is available for someone just over the income cap who has a chronic condition and is looking at hitting the max out of pocket every year.


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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. .
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 05:01 PM by Schema Thing
I think you could find it, if you looked.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. In other words, you have no clue whether or not these "substantial subsidies"
for out of pocket expenses exist in the bill or not - you're just repeating a claim you've read here and maybe on other sites.

I have looked for these out of pocket subisides in the bill and haven't found them.

The subsidies and income limits for premiums are mentioned but premiums don't count toward the annual out of pocket costs (out of pockets now being called "cost-sharing" in the bill) - the (House) bill makes that very clear in the definitions section:

"COST-SHARING.—The term ‘‘cost-sharing’’ includes deductibles, coinsurance, copayments, and
similar charges, but does not include premiums, balance billing amounts for non-network providers, or spending for non-covered services."

So, again, if I've mentioned the section about copays being subsidized, please show me where it is.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #47
50. you should know by know to look at whitehouse.gov here is the page on
what Obama's reconciliation bill says about affordability and accountability and it's not great but it does do a lot in my opinion:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/proposal/whatsnew/affordability

ncrease Tax Credits for Health Insurance Premiums

Health insurance today often costs too much and covers too little. Lack of affordability leads people to delay care, skip care, rack up large medical bills, or become uninsured. The House and Senate health insurance bills lower premiums through increased competition, oversight, and new accountability standards set by insurance exchanges. The bills also provide tax credits and reduced cost sharing for families with modest income. The President’s Proposal improves the affordability of health care by increasing the tax credits for families. Relative to the Senate bill, the President’s Proposal lowers premiums for families with income below $44,000 and above $66,000. Relative to the House bill, the proposal makes premiums less expensive for families with income between roughly $55,000 and $88,000.
Proposal Tax Credits

The President’s Proposal also improves the cost sharing assistance for individuals and families relative to the Senate bill. Families with income below $55,000 will get extra assistance; the additional funding to insurers will cover between 73 and 94% of their health care costs. It provides the same cost-sharing assistance as the Senate bill for higher-income families and the same assistance as the House bill for families with income from $77,000 to $88,000.
Reduced Cost Sharing
Close the Medicare Prescription Drug “Donut Hole”.

The Medicare drug benefit provides vital help to seniors who take prescription drugs, but under current law, it leaves many beneficiaries without assistance when they need it most. Medicare stops paying for prescriptions after the plan and beneficiary have spent $2,830 on prescription drugs, and only starts paying again after out-of-pocket spending hits $4,550. This “donut hole” leaves seniors paying the full cost of expensive medicines, causing many to skip doses or not fill prescriptions at all – harming their health and raising other types of health costs. The Senate bill provides a 50% discount for certain drugs in the donut hole. The House bill fully phases out the donut hole over 10 years. Both bills raise the dollar amount before the donut hole begins by $500 in 2010.

Relative to the Senate bill, the President’s Proposal fills the “donut hole” entirely. It begins by replacing the $500 increase in the initial coverage limit with a $250 rebate to Medicare beneficiaries who hit the donut hole in 2010. It also closes the donut hole completely by phasing down the coinsurance so it is the standard 25% by 2020 throughout the coverage gap.
Invest in Community Health Centers.

Community health centers play a critical role in providing quality care in underserved areas. About 1,250 centers provide care to 20 million people, with an emphasis on preventive and primary care. The Senate bill increases funding to these centers for services by $7 billion and for construction by $1.5 billion over 5 years. The House bill provides $12 billion over the same 5 years. Bridging the difference, the President’s Proposal invests $11 billion in these centers.
Strengthen Oversight of Insurance Premium Increases.

Both the House and Senate bills include significant reforms to make insurance fair, accessible, and affordable to all people, regardless of pre-existing conditions. One essential policy is “rate review” meaning that health insurers must submit their proposed premium increases to the State authority or Secretary for review. The President’s Proposal strengthens this policy by ensuring that, if a rate increase is unreasonable and unjustified, health insurers must lower premiums, provide rebates, or take other actions to make premiums affordable. A new Health Insurance Rate Authority will be created to provide needed oversight at the Federal level and help States determine how rate review will be enforced and monitor insurance market behavior.
Extend Consumer Protections against Health Insurer Practices.

The Senate bill includes a “grandfather” policy that allows people who like their current coverage, to keep it. The President’s Proposal adds certain important consumer protections to these “grandfathered” plans. Within months of legislation being enacted, it requires plans to cover adult dependents up to age 26, prohibits rescissions, mandates that plans have a stronger appeals process, and requires State insurance authorities to conduct annual rate review, backed up by the oversight of the HHS Secretary. When the exchanges begin in 2014, the President’s Proposal adds new protections that prohibit all annual and lifetime limits, ban pre-existing condition exclusions, and prohibit discrimination in favor of highly compensated individuals. Beginning in 2018, the President’s Proposal requires “grandfathered” plans to cover proven preventive services with no cost sharing.
Improve Individual Responsibility.

All Americans should have affordable health insurance coverage. This helps everyone, both insured and uninsured, by reducing cost shifting, where people with insurance end up covering the inevitable health care costs of the uninsured, and making possible robust health insurance reforms that will curb insurance company abuses and increase the security and stability of health insurance for all Americans. The House and Senate bills require individuals who have affordable options but who choose to remain uninsured to make a payment to offset the cost of care they will inevitably need. The House bill’s payment is a percentage of income. The Senate sets the payment as a flat dollar amount or percentage of income, whichever is higher (although not higher than the lowest premium in the area). Both the House and Senate bill provide a low-income exemption, for those individuals with incomes below the tax filing threshold (House) or below the poverty threshold (Senate).The Senate also includes a “hardship” exemption for people who cannot afford insurance, included in the President’s Proposal. It protects those who would face premiums of more than 8 percent of their income from having to pay any assessment and they can purchase a low-cost catastrophic plan in the exchange if they choose.

The President’s Proposal adopts the Senate approach but lowers the flat dollar assessments, and raises the percent of income assessment that individuals pay if they choose not to become insured. Specifically, it lowers the flat dollar amounts from $495 to $325 in 2015 and $750 to $695 in 2016. Subsequent years are indexed to $695 rather than $750, so the flat dollar amounts in later years are lower than the Senate bill as well. The President’s Proposal raises the percent of income that is an alternative payment amount from 0.5 to 1.0% in 2014, 1.0 to 2.0% in 2015, and 2.0 to 2.5% for 2016 and subsequent years – the same percent of income as in the House bill, which makes the assessment more progressive. For ease of administration, the President’s Proposal changes the payment exemption from the Senate policy (individuals with income below the poverty threshold) to individuals with income below the tax filing threshold (the House policy). In other words, a married couple with income below $18,700 will not have to pay the assessment. The President’s Proposal also adopts the Senate’s “hardship” exemption.
Strengthen Employer Responsibility.

Businesses are strained by the current health insurance system. Health costs eat into their ability to hire workers, invest in and expand their businesses, and compete locally and globally. Like individuals, larger employers should share in the responsibility for finding the solution. Under the Senate bill, there is no mandate for employers to provide health insurance. But as a matter of fairness, the Senate bill requires large employers (i.e., those with more than 50 workers) to make payments only if taxpayers are supporting the health insurance for their workers. The assessment on the employer is $3,000 per full-time worker obtaining tax credits in the exchange if that employer’s coverage is unaffordable, or $750 per full-time worker if the employer has a worker obtaining tax credits in the exchange but doesn’t offer coverage in the first place. The House bill requires a payroll tax for insurers that do not offer health insurance that meets minimum standards. The tax is 8% generally and phases in for employers with annual payrolls from $500,000 to $750,000; according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the assessment for a firm with average wages of $40,000 would be $3,200 per worker.

Under the President’s Proposal, small businesses will receive $40 billion in tax credits to support coverage for their workers beginning this year. Consistent with the Senate bill, small businesses with fewer than 50 workers would be exempt from any employer responsibility policies.

The President’s Proposal is consistent with the Senate bill in that it does not impose a mandate on employers to offer or provide health insurance, but does require them to help defray the cost if taxpayers are footing the bill for their workers. The President’s Proposal improves the transition to the employer responsibility policy for employers with 50 or more workers by subtracting out the first 30 workers from the payment calculation (e.g., a firm with 51 workers that does not offer coverage will pay an amount equal to 51 minus 30, or 21 times the applicable per employee payment amount). It changes the applicable payment amount for firms with more than 50 employees that do not offer coverage to $2,000 – an amount that is one-third less than the average House assessment for a typical firm and less than half of the average employer contribution to health insurance in 2009. It applies the same firm-size threshold across the board to all industries. It fully eliminates the assessment for workers in a waiting period, while maintaining the 90-day limit on the length of any waiting period beginning in 2014.

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:33 PM
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42. How much help with the annual deductible of 10-12K does a family
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 04:37 PM by slipslidingaway
earning $55,000 receive?

If people start hitting that deductible for a few years in a row, or even every couple of years, it will hurt.

Would you please link to information on subsidies for the annual deductible, thanks.


This is from the Kaiser calculator ...

"Note: Subsidies are only available for people purchasing coverage on their own in the Exchange (not through an employer)..."





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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:16 PM
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12. I'd love to see Al take the stage and try to do a set
with material that is based on the notion that the perfect is the enemy of the good. He could explain to the audience that these jokes are the best he could do, and that means they should laugh just as loud as if they were real, quality bits. Just to keep it going. For his sake. Why look for quality, when we can all pretend to like it and have a big back patting session?
Our material is second rate, but we will improve it later, so please laugh now, because we need the bookings. He has to know how silly he sounds reaching for that one....
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:53 PM
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46. I'll say in Franken and HCR's favor that health care is no joke
Especially when you are planning to expand Medicaid to 15 million uninsured and opening 11,000 more community health clinics.

Happily for MN, Al's looking to be a far better public official than he was comedian.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:11 PM
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48. Still leaving another 30 million uninsured at the mercy of the for profits
and, per the CBO there will still be 19 million uninsured by 2017. And, how good the coverage people will receive from Medicaid depends on what state a person lives in.

The CHCs are great, but should have been set up as a seperate bill, not used as blackmail to get progressive to vote for this insurance scam. CHCs do charge fees on a sliding scale based on income. If their income limits are as low as the ones in the bills, there are going to be a lot of people who can't afford care through them either.

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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 12:36 AM
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49. The 15 millions Medicaid expansion I referred to was part

of the President's reconciliation measure, and to my knowledge that hasn't yet been scored by the CBO. From what I read the idea is to expand the Nebraska Medicaid 'fix' to all 50 states and increase federal cost participation accordingly.

I personally don't care if my portion of tax subsidies for the currently uninsured go to providers through insurance companies or to providers through the government's private contractual administrator (like Medicare). But I think it important that millions of currently uncovered get covered.

I understood the Cardin-Sanders community health clinic plan was to 1) spur preventive care - inoculations, throat cultures, diabetes testing, etc. and 2) to provide coverage to those ineligible for health insurance through HCR, i.e., illegal immigrants to the country.

I admit I don't understand why people would rather to stick it to the insurance companies than subsidize health care for those who struggle to live without it.


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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 10:23 AM
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51. Al Franken For President, 2012.

2016, latest.......
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:54 PM
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52. Thanks Senator Al Franken
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