teamhillaryclinton.com Is she running in 2012?

[Pryderi]

This website just launched http://www.teamhillaryclinton.com/

[maddezmom]

1. Looks like it was started by this person

http://www.youtube.com/user/jcjcd

and I believe Hillary is on record as not interested in running for Prez again. :hi:

[Pryderi]

2. Wow. That person is not happy at all. Thanks for the link. It looks like a "Draft Hillary"

movement.
Quote from your link:
THE VIDEO THAT YOU MAY HAVE WATCHED TO BRING YOU HERE IS A MOMENT CAPTURED IN HISTORY - I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF REMOVING ANY OF THEM - THEY ARE HOW I FELT AND IN MANY WAYS STILL FEEL - HILLARY CLINTON GOT CHEATED!

[JTFrog]

3. Who gives a shit what PUMA's can't get over?

:shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

9. Any evidence that his person was among the PUMAs of 2008?

I hope there is a progressive challenge to Obama in the Democratic primaries. He has gone too far to the right in pursuit of GOP votes.

[JTFrog]

11. Do you know what the acronym PUMA stands for?

Party Unity My Ass. The rant "HILLARY CLINTON GOT CHEATED!" is pretty much the mantra of the PUMA movement. So I'd have to say that not only is there evidence but a draft Hillary movement would be the ultimate definition of PUMA.

[Cha]

15. It's more like..

IAPL. :)

[karynnj]

14. A progressive challenger?

Hillary Clinton is to his right - especially on foreign policy. On trade policy, another potential area, Obama is slightly to the left of the Clintons. On health care, the big difference in the primaries is that she was for mandates - it is hard to make a case that she was to the left.

Not to mention, that if you look at the 2004 or 2008 elections, we are in the pre-primaries, where anyone intending to run would be lining up support and looking seriously at whether they have a chance. For 2008, all the main contenders officially announced in late 2006 or the first months of 2007. At that time, they had enough organization to plan and initiate a major event to announce it. Clinton is still the SoS, making it very difficult to do - she can not legally campaign for anyone. (Not to mention, all SoS get higher approval ratings than their bosses - Albright had higher approval than Bill Clinton.) So, to run, she would have to resign as Secretary of State - and then within 6 months at least start to signal she was interested in running. How tacky and ungrateful does that look?

The fact is that Obama is in the center of the Democratic party. He is also personally popular. If there was not enough room on the left, for the charismatic Ted Kennedy to beat the unpopular, near the right edge of the party Jimmy Carter, there is no room either to the right or the left of Obama. Even if you considered Dean, who has significant name recognition and is loved on the left, there is little chance he could beat Obama. Now, he at least, has an ideological base that might follow him, not just a base of people committed to him - and no one could claim that his running against Obama shows that he was not grateful for the position they gave him - as they gave him nothing.

[TheBigotBasher]

17. Lots.

From the most disgusting of PUMA sites. I wont link to them.

[dionysus]

51. i dont think anyone will be stupid enough to embarrass themselves like that.

but you may get your fondest wishes of a fractured party and dem loss...

[AllentownJake]

26. I have a feeling the Secretary of State is looking forward to retirement right now

She's kind of had a pretty active past 10 years, and I think she's earned sometime to actually enjoy life.

Guessing she moves back to NY and does work in the Clinton foundation and on women issues in 2013 after the election something fulfilling but not so all consuming. SOS rarely serve longer than one term.

At least I hope she does, she's earned a break from this insanity.

[Dr.Phool]

27. So, Hugo Chavez won't be her campaign manager?

[tularetom]

4. Right now she's probably just happy she didn't get elected in 2008

All this shit would be happening to her.

[nedmildow]

44. good point...

but she could enjoy lifting things from 2012 and forward..

[argonaut]

5. I really don't think Clinton's going to run again.

She's too old, and tired.

[sledgehammer]

19. I think she'll be Obama's Veep in 2012

It will almost guarantee a victory for the Dem ticket. The chance of making history for a second time - the first female VP.

Plus, it sets her up for a 2016 run if she's interested.

[Drunken Irishman]

22. She would be 69 in 2016.

To put that into context, McCain was 72 in 2008 - when everyone made a big stink about his age.

I'm not saying she'd be too old, but it's rare to elect a person who's on the cusp of 70 as president.

It's the same thing with Biden. He'll be 74 in 2016, which is why I don't see him running if Obama were to win in 2012 (which I think he will).

[sledgehammer]

28. Agreed she will be old.

But she will be the incumbent. And if things are looking good in 2016, there's no reason that she wouldn't be a formidable candidate. Of course, if in 2016 she and Obama are unpopular, she would not contest.

And regardless of 2016, I think it's Obama's best shot in 2012.

[totodeinhere]

68. It might be different with Hillary. Remember that as a rule women live longer than men and 69 is..

not that old for a woman. If she is in good health in 2016 then I really believe she will go for it. And I for one would support her.

[Drunken Irishman]

70. I'd support her if she's the VP.

Who then turns around and runs. If Obama drops Biden (due to age) for 2012 and picks up someone else, I'd probably be more inclined to support them (and I doubt Hillary would run if that were the case).

[Hekate]

47. Hillary Clinton, through no fault of her own, carries toxic baggage. She's good as Sec State...

... would be poison as Veep candidate.

Furthermore, please explain to me exactly what Joe Biden has done to get himself dumped from this administration? Because that's what you're saying.

Hekate

[sledgehammer]

73. Joe Biden is fine

But, to win elections you sometimes need a punch, especially if things are a bit rough.

With Hillary, you can add the element of "changing history" once again.

Nothing to do with Biden's performance at all, but it would be a move to energize voters, capture attention by creating history, etc.

[nedmildow]

45. i'm with you there.....

this secretary of state business must be exhausting..
maybe she'll enjoy being a grandmother soon..

but who's next in line if obama passes the ball in 2012?

[Beacool]

71. So, she should settle with being a grandmother?

Would you say that to a man?

;(

[nedmildow]

78. oh sure,

lots of men look forward to retirements, spending more time with their grandchildren.

but i'm sorry, unthoughtful comment on my side.

[Beacool]

80. That's OK

;-)

[JoePhilly]

6. Only if she wants to see a GOP President in 2012.

[TexasProgresive]

8. Thank you for saying that

Everytime someone posts that Obama needs to be challenged (primaried is the word)I ask when has that ever worked except to give the WH to the other party- doesn't matter which party. But no one ever accepts my challenge to give contrary examples.

[polmaven]

10. No one accepts the challenge

because there are no contrary examples to give. Hillary took her shot, and it is over.

She will not "primary" the president in 2012, because she actually does, contrary to some peoples' beliefs, care about what happens to this country, and does not want to see a Republican president in 2012. She is not that selfish nor that stupid.

[TheBigotBasher]

18. Hear Hear.

This comes from a bunch of disaffected idiots.

It has nothing to do with the Secretary of State.

[dionysus]

52. ding ding ding, we have a winner.

[Skip Intro]

23. If it came to be that she were the Dem nom in 2012, I have little doubt she'd win. nt

[tallahasseedem]

42. I totally agree...

I'm not sure why some people don't get this.

[boomerbust]

7. Silly little Puma

[Arkana]

12. Yeah, I don't think so--that in no way resembles an official campaign site.

[saltpoint]

13. I'm thinking they should have put up a site promoting

Joan Didion.

I always liked Joan Didion.

[Name removed]

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[Beacool]

20. What did I miss?

I only said that the video brought back fond memories and that Hillary would have been a great president. I may have added that we'll probably get a Republican after Obama, but why is there a "sub-thread deleted" message?

:-(

[jenmito]

31. How do you know she would've been a great president?

You don't. Time to get over it.

[polmaven]

32. I don't see that there is anything to "get over"!

Why is it such a crime to believe that someone would have made a great president? The post did not say a "better" president, not did it say anything negative about President Obama. It may be time that the Hillary Haters "get over it".

[jenmito]

33. Then you haven't read many of that poster's posts...

She has SAID she's not over it, that she can't join in the happiness when Obama has a success, etd. So, maybe you don't know what you're talking about.

[polmaven]

35. I have read many, many of her posts...

The particular post to which you responded, however, said NONE of those things. If you react so strongly to a statement that someone believes that Hillary would have made a great president, then perhaps it is not the original poster who needs to get over it.

"Hillary would have made a great president." That is an innocuous statement. She would have. Why is it such a bad thing to say it?

[jenmito]

43. Read post 37. And YOU don't know she would've made a great president, either.

But I know what that poster said on this thread and others. I said what I said for a reason.

[TheBigotBasher]

37. The orignal post did

and it is hinting at that again.

[Beacool]

50. And time for you to put down the Kool-Aide.

The reality and the campaign oratory do not compute. He could have been worse, but he sure as hell is no FDR or LBJ.

:D

[jenmito]

56. No Kool-Aide here. Just living in the world as it is, with the best person for the job as

President. Anyone who's complaining about Obama would be ten times as unhappy with Hillary as President.

[Beacool]

57. Like it always is with these things,

"the best person for the job" is a matter of opinion.

;)

[jenmito]

59. The sooner you start accepting that we have a President Obama, and stop holding a grudge,

the better off you'll be.

:)

[Beacool]

61. Heck, there are several presidents that I had to learn to live with.

Obama is just one more.

:shrug:

[jenmito]

65. Like Bill Clinton of the DLC?

:shrug:

[Beacool]

66. I heart Bill, flaws and all.

The Big Dawg is the man.

}(

[jenmito]

67. He was well to the right of Obama. So what's the REAL reason you don't like Obama?

:)

[Beacool]

72. Simple, I think that he was too inexperienced to run for president in 2008

having barely sat in the US senate for a very short time and never having ran anything prior to that. You know that someone has a razor thin resume when he is running for president and they keep bringing up that he had been a community organizer.

Experience DOES matter in life and his lack of it shows. Someone who had been around DC for a longer period of time would have handled Congress with more efficacy. The Republicans got their way with much smaller margins and we can't get much done with 60 votes in the Senate? A super majority that most presidents would have killed to have had during their terms.

:-(

[jenmito]

75. Perfect RW talking points you got there...

which are also PUMAs talking points. Having experience as a community organizer is worth more in "experience" for being president than being married to a former president. Obama had experience in the IL Senate before being in the U.S. Senate-all after being a community organizer, helping people on his own merit, not on his family name. To say Hillary being "around DC" longer made her more qualified to be president is a joke.

If you think she would've gotten more done than Obama, that Conservadems would've stopped caring about their own interests, is nothing more than the opinion of someone who thinks someone stole Hillary's "time" to be president. It's too bad that she took it for granted that it WAS her turn and she didn't even plan a campaign past Feb. 5th, Super Tuesday. If she couldn't even beat the "inexperienced one" for the presidency, what makes you think she could've gotten more done than him in office? :eyes:

[vaberella]

40. You don't even see the racial implication in your statement.

Yeah and we would probably get the same thing after HRC. Or is really b/c he's Black he'd most likely have a Repub after him?! I don't see how great HRC would be because she would have voted for the stimulus bill and the bank bailouts would have been the same. Unless you can make the claim---since the issues really regarding Obama is because he's Black---then therefore because HRC is a White Woman she would have been alright and passable and we'd have a Dem in power most likely. Because your statement clearly spins that HRC would have insured another 4 years of a Dem if not her. Further more, most of the havoc facing the President in regards to the teabaggers and teaparty members has been seen as being highly racially motivated. Ugh.

[Beacool]

49. Oh yeah, how can one forget...........

Any comment or criticism of Obama HAS to be racial, right? Frankly, always bringing up race as a motive is pretty racial in itself. So there are no other possible reasons to not approve of Obama?

To me his race doesn't matter one iota. Being a smooth talker who sold people a bill of goods matters much more. As far as I'm concerned his vote on FISA was the start down a slippery slope.

;)

[vaberella]

77. I know his position on FISA very well.

What are you talking about? What do you specifically think HRC would do that would be so phenomenal that it would ensure her position as Dem if she was Pres in 2012 or any other Dem running. Most of the criticisms---excluding the left and progressive side which really don't make the bulk of the nation and DU nowhere near reflects the full nation---are racially motivated. Those are undeniable. This has been all over DU and the media---it's clear. Shit a thread on this page clearly states another racist spin on his own wife. So we know where that goes. And hence the reason I don't understand the point of your original statement.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

60. "racial implication" ? ... I don't think it helps Pres Obama to cry racism where none is found.

[vaberella]

76. I'm not crying racism. I'm trying to understand the posters views.

To say that Obama as President ensures a Repub Pres in future. What makes HRC so different?

[PatGund]

79. Here's a hint

Just because is critical of Obama or his actions doesn't automatically mean they're racist

Just because is critical of Hillary Clinton or her actions doesn't automatically mean they're sexist.

[dionysus]

53. there you are!

:hi:
for you maam;

[Beacool]

55. Banky for me???

Thank you!!!

How have you been, my friend?

:pals:

[dionysus]

58. pretty good. was forced to buy a new car. if you're in the market for a nice vehicle,

test drive a ford fusion.

you?

[Beacool]

63. Congratulations on your new set of wheels!!!

I'm glad that at least someone has good news, there are so many bad things happening to so many people. For example, one of my best former directors (manager) died last week. She was an attorney and we started in the company around the same time. She was a terrific person, well liked by all and was only 44 years old. She found out she had cancer last year. Damn disease took her this past Thursday. Tomorrow a host of us are going to her funeral. These last 2 years have been nothing but crappy all around.

Anyway, enjoy your car in good health and thanks for the advice. BTW, I drive a Toyota. LOL!!!

:7


:hi:

[Drunken Irishman]

21. The 90s called, it wants its web design back.

[wisteria]

24. It just looks like a site from someone who really likes Clinton.

And, they assume there are others that feel like they do about her.

[Umbral]

25. We tried 'heads', lets see if 'tails' is any better? No thank you. nt

[blogslut]

29. It's a fan page

And a misguided fan at that. Another silly PUMA who just can't move on.

[jenmito]

30. Ooh-PUMA Hero Worshippers! Cool!

:eyes:

[denimgirly]

34. How much different would Hillary be, though?

Sure she is a fighter but from her history she is an even bigger proponent to lobbyists than Obama is...at least she admits it.
I honestly think Hillary would be just as not-willing as Obama is if she got into the White House.

I am more eager to vote for a real progressive like Anthony Weiner or Alan Grayson than for another DLC'er. Sorry, but i am tired of this game and want real leadership and personally just dont think Obama NOR Hillary have it because they are clearly both compromised.

[asdjrocky]

36. Like there would be any difference at all.

What a fucking joke. Sure, why not, throw out this corporate friendly Dem for another corporate friendly Dem. Feel the change.

[mkultra]

38. I love it and i hope she runs.

It will be awesome.

[Lord Helmet]

41. +1

:popcorn:

[mkultra]

64. yup

[AnnieBW]

39. She looks perfectly happy to me

She looks perfectly happy to be SecState to me. The only reason that she might quit is if Big Dawg's health gets worse. But, I don't think that that's gonna happen. So, these PUMAs need to STFU.

[jefferson_dem]

46. NO WAY! No her! Ewwww... We need Kooch-Nader-Hamsher!

A three-headed monster that would surely wreck havoc on KKKORPORATE 'merca!

[dionysus]

54. and lee mercer and grayson!!1!1!

that team would be unbeatable

[Arkana]

62. OK, who the hell is Lee Mercer?

[dionysus]

74. be prepared for "teh crazy"... no one knew if this was a joke or the guy was mentally ill;

http://www.mercerforpresident2008.com/

[Hekate]

48. What unbelievably divisive shit that site is. I doubt that Hillary is even flattered by these tools

... much less contemplating leading them off a cliff.

Hekate

[smalll]

69. Not 2012, just wait for 2016!

Madame Inevitable shall rise again!

:evilgrin: