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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 02:47 PM
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Specter: Democrats getting 'angry,' will pass healthcare bill
Good!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/85467-specter-dems-getting-angry-will-pass-healthcare


Specter: Democrats getting 'angry,' will pass healthcare bill
By Eric Zimmermann - 03/08/10 02:09 PM ET


Democrats in Congress are getting "angry" enough to push through healthcare reform, Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) said today.

Speaking to reporters after President Obama's healthcare event outside Philadelphia today, Specter said frustration over Republican "obstruction" is making his caucus determined to move ahead.

"I think there's a lot more determination in the Congress now to get it passed," he said, according to a pool report. "I really think there's sort of reaction on the Democratic side of getting a little angry over the duration and intensity of obstruction and a lot more determination to see it through."


Specter also said that Obama had stepped up his role in the healthcare debate and is motivating Democrats

"The president's providing for more fiery leadership now," Specter said.

"That's the most fiery I've seen him since the early campaign," he added. "When I was listening to him I wished that he had given that in the State of the Union. If it's the State of the Union he would have reached a lot more people."
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 02:48 PM
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1. Any time here people
I'm not anxious to see this insurance company giveaway passed, but all this constant dithering is why people are getting fed up with the political process.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 02:49 PM
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2. The Democratic "leaders" don't know ANGRY unless they pass this shitty mandated Senate Bill.
:grr: :thumbsdown:
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 02:51 PM
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3. Mandates are necessary. The question is, will the cost be controlled. nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 02:53 PM
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4. No, without SINGLE PAYER, mandates are "corporate welfare" to the Insurance Cartel.
My God people, don't you know when you're being punked?!?

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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 04:21 PM
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11. Single payer has a mandate. It is covered through taxes that everybody is mandated to pay.
It's semantics to a large extent. I am a proponent of single payer too.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:00 AM
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23. No it's not semantics.
Single payer would cost the average middle class American less than half what the mandated private insurance will.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:56 AM
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29. Yes of course, but single payer has a mandate hidden in taxes. nt
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:20 PM
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30. No shit. But it's a lot less money and not going directly to a corporation to skim 30%. eom
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:35 PM
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31. Like I don't know that! No bad feelings, but Kitty I know all that. nt
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 08:00 PM
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16. You'll be angry. A hell of a lot of other people won't. nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:43 AM
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28. Well...
BWAHAHAHAH Haahahahahah HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHha

:rofl:

Whatcha going to do, kick your little feet???

:rofl:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 02:53 PM
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5. Thank Joe Sestak for making a good Democrat out of Specter
But that may only be temporary. My concern would be that Arlen would go back to his old ways if he gets 6 more years.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 02:58 PM
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6. Remember when we bailed out the banksters? This is covertly as atrocious and obscene.
This is just another "con job."

Giving away our money to the upper 1% with NO BENEFITS.

That's what MANDATES will prove.

How in the hell can you be falling for this OBVIOUS RUSE?

Because you LIKE President Obama?

Do you honestly TRUST him to do what's right for the average American before his masters in the moneyed upper 1%?

Do you BELIEVE that he will do the right thing?

Yes? Then we deserve every damn thing we get ... we're a nation of gutless, dependent IDIOTS! :(
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 03:12 PM
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7. ATROCIOUS! OBSCENE! CON JOB! NO BENEFITS! MANDATES! OBVIOUS RUSE!
LIKE? TRUST? BELIEVE? IDIOTS!

And that, my friends, is textbook FUD.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 03:40 PM
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8. I was sold with the all CAPS
:rofl: :rofl: :spank: :nuke:
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 03:48 PM
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10. do you have a solution??
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 07:20 PM
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15. Lower the age of eligibility for Medicare to birth, then we operate at 3 - 7 %
allowing for some influx due to, well, the influx. :hi:

But I am in favor of this reform. Holding my nose in favor, but not...not answering the "do you have another solution" meme. There has ALWAYS been that solution, and Obama *could have* maintained that he gave Congress a year to get it together, and the American People are dying at the rate of twelve 9-11's a year.

Oh, and from the beginning, I've oft repeated *this* phrase: We've only ever needed 51 votes, and you know it. I was told I was crazy, but lookey at what they are saying now.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:42 PM
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18. Once again, you have proven that you are "fiery" but still clueless.
:eyes:

Read a book, or something.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:06 AM
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24. comin' up short?
:P
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 07:10 PM
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14. Nope, Joe Biden made a good Democrat out of Specter.
At a $10,000-per-plate fundraiser at the Houston home of former Specter COS Neal Manne, VP Biden exulted in Specter's fence-jumping -- "I have been working on that in earnest for the past four years and double time for the past 100 days and it seems only appropriate that I am at your home on the day that Arlen Specter (inaudible) came back home as a Democrat."

http://www.politico.com/politico44/wbarchive/whiteboard04282009.html
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:08 PM
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17. If he wins in November, I think he will switch back to R. nt
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 03:47 PM
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9. Health care reform will pass - soon
And by next November it will be off the national political radar.
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 06:30 PM
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12. Specter's a seasoned political observer. I think he's reacting to a real change
in the political climate.

An awkward New York Times headline Sunday said: "Democrats need a rally monkey."

The rally has begun...

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 07:06 PM
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13. WE need to get angry too! I'm channeling my inner pit bull......
Edited on Mon Mar-08-10 07:07 PM by Clio the Leo


.... just give me a minute. I dont often do "pit bull."
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:44 PM
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19. This bill will *suck* like NAFTA sucks without a Public Option. Include it! (nt)
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:47 PM
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20. Well, we are slowly building support for the PO.
I'm not holding my breath, but it is still a possibility.

But as for the comparison to NAFTA, that has become a pet peeve of mine. There is no comparison.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:56 PM
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22. It's the same. Clinton sold NAFTA telling us he'd fix it later. Obama is doing the same thing on the
health insurance company bailout bill.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:23 AM
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26. exactly! now or obviously it'll NEVER get fixed properly. we SEE how bad it is getting through this
far, and to this point that isn't guaranteeing us much of anything.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 09:23 PM
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32. No. Absolutely not! NAFTA sucked even in basic concept.
There is no comparison between the 2 bills. Not even remotely.

The HCR bill does a lot of good thing IMMEDIATELY. It also does a lot of good things in the future. It doesn't need to be "fixed", but it can be improved.

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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:54 PM
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21. I'm still a little leery of Spector. I will admit that when he was a
Repub I thought he was probably the "least objectionable" and he did at least TRY to think for himself, which is very difficult under the oppressive Repub regime.

I really want to trust him, but I still have to wonder if his "conversion" was idealogical or political.

I like what he is saying, but I will still reserve judgment until he has had more opportunity to prove himself.

But, I like what he has to say, here.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:10 AM
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25. It's about fucking time they get 'angry'.
I've been 'angry' for decades now.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:28 AM
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27. No kidding. I've been seething quietly since the ongoing persecution of Clinton,
and much more noisily during the miserable bush-2 years.
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