OK, seriously, Dennis Kucinich. Enough's enough.

[ProSense]

OK, seriously, Dennis Kucinich. Enough's enough.

by Benintn

Just got this update via Twitter from Matt Yglesias:

Horrible. RT @brianbeutler Kucinich confirms he's willing to be the deciding vote "against" #hcr http://tpm.ly/cVcH0H

Really? Really, Dennis Kucinich?

You're willing to be the deciding vote against healthcare reform?

Come on, people. Enough's enough.

<...>

Now, look, Dennis Kucinich. I am a single payer advocate. I fought for it. I think we need to fundamentally change our system so that it puts patients ahead of profits. I do not believe that any value is added to our healthcare system by having insurance companies that exist to make a profit.

However, I'm also a pragmatist and I recognize that each day we wait, the system gets worse.

And so, I am willing to support an incremental approach if it means that 31 million more Americans get health insurance. I'm willing to support an approach that will cut $500 billion of wasteful spending from our Medicare system. I'm willing to do what it takes to make sure that competition works for consumers, not corporations.

The time for games is over. If you vote against health care reform, I will support your opponent.

[Berry Cool]

1. Now you know what Cleveland felt like on the eve of default.

Can't do anything about it...because this one man is going to stand in the way.

[Greyhound]

77. And they gave him an award and a plaque in thanks.

He saved Cleveland from the disaster the "business community" created to line their own pockets at the expense of everybody else.

Oh, and then they sent him to DC.

[monmouth]

2. He really has become a royal PIA...Won't hear a word after his election run..n/t

[ShortnFiery]

3. Dennis Kucinich is spot on ... just like he was for the IWR and the Bankster Bail-out. eom

[ProSense]

6. Dennis is spot on: Other people don't deserve the health insurance he enjoys.

He could go even further in his grandstanding and opt out of the Congressional plan.

[ShortnFiery]

10. No, Dennis is aware that the Senate bill is an atrocious give-away. I makes no difference ...

if you QUALIFY for health insurance if you can't afford the premiums. If there's no ROBUST public option, there's no cost control.

Dennis has the courage of his convictions. Bless him! :-)

[karynnj]

17. He voted agaisnt the HOUSE bill as well

[jenmito]

29. (crickets) n/t

[jesus_of_suburbia]

66. I don't understand that.

Was it because he was for single payer or nothing? If so, that's really unhelpful (to say the least).

I wish we could have had the House version.

[rpannier]

71. I understand it

Stupak amendment

[jesus_of_suburbia]

74. Forgot about that. (I would since I'm a man, but I support women's rights totally).

Thanks for answering, rpannier.

[rpannier]

70. The Abortion language was part of the reason for it

On that alone I'm okay with it

[dionysus]

27. he'll have deaths on his hands... actually... but you can "worship" the fugly little troll

as much as you wish.

[no limit]

40. It's not that they don't deserve it. Kucinich knows they can't afford it under this shitty bill

so be a little more honest with your bullshit talking points.

[Citizen Kang]

72. Silly

Youre deluded into thinking that this bill will give you the same health insurance any congressperson enjoys. He's actually fighting for it buy stopping this abomination.

[Raine1967]

4. Dennis HAS health insurance.

It must be nice to say no when you already have insurance.

[Jennicut]

5. I think those of us that want HCR passed need to stop concentrating on DK. He was never going to

vote yes anyway. Something about principals...I don't hate the guy and his intentions are better then the conservadems but really, he accomplishes nothing. Either way, I really don't care.

[ProSense]

7. Will not forget a so-called progressive who declares he's willing to be the vote to kill reform n/t

[ShortnFiery]

8. It's Corporate Welfare via MANDATES to the Insurance Cartel not REFORM. eom

[MuseRider]

11. Not anything about health care

requires insurance.

GO DENNIS!

[ProSense]

12. It's Progressive Health Care Reform that will Save Millions of Lives. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

14. Bullshit! It will save the "very poor" and "very rich." Meanwhile, the working and middle classes

will have to DECLARE BANKRUPTCY if they dare come down with a serious illness or get into a major car accident.

BRAVO, more welfare to the insurance cartel. :puke:

[ProSense]

19. "It will save the 'very poor'" who don't deserve saving? n/t

[ProSense]

21. And you

don't know what you're talking about:

[jefferson_dem]

9. "The time for games is over. If you vote against health care reform, I will support your opponent."

Count on it.

[ShortnFiery]

13. Then you are tearing our party apart. Watch out for the blow-back. eom

[dionysus]

28. there's not enough people in the dem party who even know who DK IS to tear it apart....

:rofl:

[Hosnon]

79. +1. nt

[Raine1967]

15. Yup.

I appreciated the fight, I appreciate the politics of trying to get a better bill. But this is it -- and the cost of doing nothing will be devastating to this country.

It's time.

[rpannier]

78. And you live where exactly

Depending on where you live probably determines how empty this promise is

[DCBob]

16. If this is true he is cutting his own throat along with many others..

It wont accomplish a thing except damage the Democratic party and President Obama and help the Evil Empire get back in power. Thanks Kooch.

[suzie]

31. Hey, welcome to 2004. Kucinich did his best to damage the other candidates.

[Jersey Devil]

18. Don't be so tough on DK. After all, it's hard work to be perfect

Dennis Kucinich reminds me of a screening of Fantasia on a never ending loop.

[Raine1967]

20. I am reminded of a Bill Clinton quote from 2004.

"Folks, go ahead and fall in love, be for somebody, but when the primaries are over, let's fall in line."

The same applies for Health Care Reform now.

The original link is not available, but it was archived here @ DU. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x52680

[dave29]

22. delete

[SoFlaJet]

23. Dennis Kucinich

is the perfect example of a twerp that I, and my friends would describe as a JERK OFF. Literally.

[Phx_Dem]

24. F.U. Dennis. n/t

[ProSense]

25. Do Americans deserve "fairly decent health care"?

here

[Cha]

26. Wasn't dennis having a close

call in his District at one point?

I hope it doesn't come to this bc he just loves the spotlight.

[angelicwoman]

30. Thanks for the link to a diary written by some nickname in the Daily Kos

Great source.

[HughMoran]

51. k

[HughMoran]

80. p

[asdjrocky]

32. Enough with the propaganda. K&U

[ProSense]

33. Here, more information that you'll surely not like

This was Conyers advocating single payer in May 2008:

Equally disturbing, the Institute of Medicine reports that 20,000 Americans die each year as a direct result of having no health insurance. How can we, in the Congress, who receive fairly decent health care, tell 47 million uninsured Americans that they cannot have access to health care?

With the knowledge that 20,000 Americans die each year without health insurance, how can we, in Congress, who do have health insurance, not place universal health care as a front burner issue in this chamber?

link

Good question. Don't Americans deserve "fairly decent health care"?

[Cha]

34. dennis and his contingent on DU think

not.

[asdjrocky]

38. Keep catapulting there, you have to keep doing that until enough people believe it.

You learn your lessons well.

[Lerkfish]

42. you know who else is good at that? Rove.

keep repeating the same lie often enough and weak minded people will eventually believe it.

[Lerkfish]

41. you know, I had about 20 people my ignore list

I recently gave them amnesty en bloc,
and sure enough, nearly every one of them is trashing Dennis today.

good to see my instincts prove correct.

[Sebastian Doyle]

50. It's really too bad you can't do ignore lists by state.

I have a feeling half the bullshit on this board would magically disappear if you just blocked out one particular state.

Not that I hate the state itself. They did produce Frank Sinatra and Bruce Springsteen, after all.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

35. Kucinich is nothing BUT propaganda.

He has no actions whatsoever.

[Cha]

37. But, he has plenty of astroturf.

:)

[Lerkfish]

36. wow, really dramatic

marching orders seem to have been distributed.

how stupid do you think DUer's are with all this astroturfing?


sheesh.

[NorthCarolina]

49. Of course this recent spate of DK attacks here on DU has NOTHING to do with HR 248 on Afghanistan...

nothing at all....:eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

61. If Obama loves war, they all love war as well!

Sad...

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[totodeinhere]

43. I support Kucinich all the way.

He is a national treasure. His stands on the issues parallel mine. He is one of the few on either side of the aisle who cannot be bought and who stands up for what he believes in. And he believes that this so-called health care reform bill is crap, and he is right.

[inna]

46. +1

[HughMoran]

44. Hear! Hear!

You had your time to debate the bill, don't vote against reform because it isn't perfect.

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[asdjrocky]

47. +1

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[Odin2005]

52. I'm no DK fan, but this recent DK bashing is a load of DLC shit!

[IndianaGreen]

53. DLC shit by DLC bots

who don't even realize that they are cutting their own throats and helping the health insurance industry.

[jenmito]

54. DLCers like Howard Dean, Rep. Weiner, Rep. Woolsey, Kos, Ed Schultz,

and on and on? :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

55. DLCers like Al From, Harold Ford, Tom Vilsak,

and their glorious postings here:

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137

and their putrid ideology here:

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=85&contentid=893

[jenmito]

56. Nice try totally ignoring the names I listed. Are they DLCers? n/t

[IndianaGreen]

57. Dean denounced the DLC years ago

[jenmito]

58. Exactly. Yet he thinks this health care bill should be passed. As do the others I listed, who

think Kucinich is wrong. Thanks for proving my point. ;)

[IndianaGreen]

59. with a public option

which is the only way to contain cost and introduce competition.

[jenmito]

60. Wrong. He WANTS a public option, as do many of us, but he is FOR passing THIS bill,

unlike Kucinich.

[bigwillq]

64. That hardly makes them DLCers.

But nice try, though.

[jenmito]

65. Of COURSE they're not DLCers. That's my point! There are progressives who are for this bill.

I guess I needed this: :sarcasm: Duh.

[bigwillq]

67. Yes, you needed to be more clear (nt)

[jenmito]

68. Did you really think that I thought Dean, Weiner, Kos, Woolsey, and Ed Schultz are DLCers?

Did you read my back and forth with IndianaGreen where I said she proved my point? :shrug:

[freddie mertz]

62. Enough with the Kucinich. WTF is this?

[karynnj]

69. He is the only remaining "no" vote on the left.

It makes complete sense that the left blogospere, where most now want HCR passed, would put pressure on the single person we could have the most impact on.

That said, wouldn't it be good if people here, especially those from his district or those who contributed either time or money to him, appealed to him to consider that the bill is better than the status quo - and that is the real choice. Any fiction that the Congress, having to fail this would suddenly work on his bill and pass it - and, for good measure call on Kucinich to run in the 2012 primary are fantasy.

How sad it will be that a man, who wanted Medicare for all could be the vote that stops any comprehensive HRC. Not to mention, it would be the most significant thing in his entire career - as he had little impact with any of his other stands, bills or votes. Nice legacy there.

[freddie mertz]

63. Kick and Unrec!

Dennis Dennis Dennis.

[xocet]

73. No Sense at all....

Dennis Kucinich has been consistently correct in his policy positions on health care reform. It is tiresome to see him attacked constantly here.

It is incredible how many people on this board are willing to accept a reinforcement of the insurance industry's role as middleman as actual health care reform. It is no wonder the Democratic Party is continually painted as weak by the Republican Party - starting with the White House, there has been a leadership vacuum for the last year.

Everyone should take a look at Representative Kucinich - this is what leadership looks like.

Lastly, it should be clear now why NBC/ MSNBC (at the last minute and after an invitation had been extended) decided not to let Rep. Kucinich participate in the Democratic presidential debate in New Mexico prior to the last election. The other candidates (including President Obama) would have been handed their respective hats.

[Bryn]

75. Cuts for Medicare? No thanks

I'm willing to support an approach that will cut $500 billion of wasteful spending from our Medicare system.

I have Medicare via SSDI. I would like to keep Windsor Medicare Extra free of charge that includes prepscription drug plan, vision, basic dental and several other extras. I will lose this.

[OhioBlue]

76. that sounds like a great plan.

why do you think cutting out wasteful spending would make you lose it?