What's better? The Senate bill with Obama changes, or doing nothing?

[Dawgs]

[DJ13]

1. What changes do you mean?

[denimgirly]

3. Better Profit returns.

[DJ13]

5. You're probably not too far off the mark

Im glad somebody said it!
:thumbsup:

[frazzled]

9. The 11-page proposal presented before the big summit the other week

Alas, people rail against and for this, but they really don't seem to know much about it.

To catch up, read here. This summarizes the changes requested that could be part of the reconciliation fixes:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/summary-presidents-proposal.pdf

[IndianaGreen]

10. That's the $64 question, isn't it?

Considering their track record, probably more corporatist crap.

[denimgirly]

2. Hmm..too close to call.

I can see the appeal on one side of Doing Nothing which maintains status quo but kills more people and i also can see the appeal on the other side of Bigger Profits and higher rates but more lives saved AND ironically killed. Too close to call.

[damonm]

4. My answer is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=212665&mesg_id=212665

[zipplewrath]

6. You forgot "doesn't matter"

Pretty much depends upon who you are. And in a few years everyone will be screwed either way.

[harun]

7. What are the changes?

[Oregone]

8. The Senate is passing a new bill with changes? Or is Lucy promising to let Charlie kick the football

[HughMoran]

11. You'd have to have put blinders on and refused to read the bill to vote nothing

Amazing how susceptible even a percentage people on DU are to propaganda.

[slipslidingaway]

12. You forgot to add a better bill, most people do not want to do nothing...

but I had to go with nothing in this poll.

[Dawgs]

14. "A better bill"

:rofl:

Good luck with that, because the best we're going to get now is the current bill or another 6+ years of Republican rule.

[slipslidingaway]

13. Why does it have to be this bill or nothing. n/t

[Dawgs]

15. Because those or your ONLY two choices.

Have you not been paying attention for the last year?

It's either one or the other. The best we could hope for now is Reid adding the PO to the Senate bill; and the odds on that are pretty low.

[grahamhgreen]

16. Mandated crapsurance is not reform.

[Mike 03]

17. Senate Bill with Changes. Doing Nothing would be a disgrace. NT

[cornermouse]

18. If they pass it, this will put the republicans back

on top for at least two terms. :mad:

[ShortnFiery]

19. Loaded question: The Senate doesn't have the VOTES = 51 to pass ANY CHANGES. eom

[boomerbust]

20. Its funny

If they pass the Senate bill and then pass a public option through reconcilliation, Obama will be the Progressive darling again and all the Obama bashers will eat a little crow.

[ibegurpard]

21. keep telling yourself that when it doesn't happen

and we say repeats of Massachussetts all over the country.

[uponit7771]

22. Amen!!

[HughMoran]

23. Fascinating!

So 83% of MoveOn people support the Senate Bill with 'fixes'

74% of GDP supports the Senate Bill with 'fixes'

45% of GD supports the Senate Bill with 'fixes'



I think it's obvious where the disconnect is. :think:

[Bobbie Jo]

29. Wow.

Just...wow. :wtf:

[HughMoran]

24. kick

for more votes...

[enfield collector]

25. rove must be laughing his ass off at us for going down this road.

this is not popular with a lot of people where I live and is going to result in us getting our asses handed to us in november, worse than in '94.

[pampango]

26. He may be laughing his ass off, but he'll throw a damn party if we pass no HCR after

a year of focus and a Democrat in the White House and substantial majorities in the House and Senate. If HCR fails voters won't thank the Democrats for wasting a year on nothing, but reward the republicans for their "valiant fight" against it.

[HughMoran]

27. Absolutely

Fortunately, I think we're gonna get it done.

[HughMoran]

28. One more pass

see where this is going.

[Sebastian Doyle]

30. Doing nothing would be better than THIS bill.

The insurance corporations ARE the problem. They are not now, nor will they ever be, a valid solution.

[FrenchieCat]

31. Starting somewhere is better than starting nowhere.....

85/15 is better than 65/35.

[Sebastian Doyle]

33. 85/15 would be great

But this piece of shit isn't even 15/85. More like 5/95

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[mr715]

32. I pay $10 a month.

I'll take my insurance provider thank you.

I bet you hate Starbucks too, just because they make good coffee.

[Sebastian Doyle]

34. I hate Starfucks because they DON'T make good coffee

I also hate them because they have expanded their chain using the WalMart business model, and because Howard Schultz destroyed the Seattle Supersonics and eventually sold them to some right wing pieces of shit in Oklahoma who funded the Swift Boat Liars.

But what does any of that have to do with the Insurance Corporate Welfare act of 2010?

[mr715]

35. Because some businesses succeed.

And it isn't necessarily on the back of the proles.

Yup, Starbucks is aggressive, but it also unionizes its workers, provides them with health insurance, and a functional starting salary. I've never met a worker that was unhappy there.

Don't blanket all insurance companies as irresponsible. Many are, some are not, and people have the right to make informed decisions.

I'm happy with my insurance - its private and it treats me well. Heck, AETNA even covered elective Rx! I paid $5 when I was a college instructor.


Hating capitalism because it produces innovation is so... cultural revolution.

[JI7]

37. yeah, but their coffee still isn't good. coffee bean tea leaf is better

[mr715]

38. Nothing beats a chai frap.

[JoePhilly]

39. Bill with the changes ...

Once you get the foundation in place ... we can start to work on a wide variety of additional aspects that folks call for, medicare age changes, etc ... those get easier to do with the foundation in place.

[IndianaGreen]

40. Obama is opposed to single payer, and he doesn't want public option

House and Senate leaders will not allow any amendments to the reconciliation bill when it is unveiled. They are under orders from White House to make sure there is no public option on the bill.

Obama bargained the public option away last summer.