I don't care what you say, because when health care reform passes...

[Writer]

I'm doing this...



And this...



And this...



Because, truly, it will be the first time in a long time that the government will have passed a bill that is for the good of ALL of America! And that's reason to celebrate!

[TwilightGardener]

1. A positive thread! What a treat. You get a rec.

[Writer]

2. Someone just unrecced this.

LOL!

[SharonRB]

3. Some people are never happy

I just gave it a rec, so it balances out.

[derby378]

4. It wasn't me

I won't unrec anyone just for speaking their mind. Besides, I like you. :hi:

[bvar22]

5. WOW

Are you an exec at a For Profit Health Insurance Corporation?
I understand you will be getting 40 Million New Forced customers.
I would be drinking champaign too.
Can you get me a job?

[salguine]

19. Awww, SNAP!

[HughMoran]

27. Captain negative spewing

again :eyes:

[bornskeptic]

37. You don't understand very well.

CBO projection was that about 15 million additional people would be insured by private insurance, whether for-profit or not-for-profit. Since every exchange would have to include a not-for-profit plan, it is very possible that for-pofit companies would pick up less than 10 million people. Overall the increase in people with private insurance would be less than 10% of the 160 million who currently have such coverage. Currently combined profits for health insurance companies run about $25 billion annually. Consider this please, from Section 10905 of the Senate bill:

Sec. 10905. Health insurance provider fee. Removes third party administration agreement fees from the allocation of the fee to health insurance providers. Eliminates the fee for 2010. Establishes the annual fee at $2 billion for 2011, $4 billion for 2012, $7 billion for 2013, $9 billion for years 2014 through 2016 and $10 billion for years after 2016. Creates a limited exemption from the fee for certain non-profit insurers with a medical loss ratio (MLR) of 90 percent or more in the individual, small group and large group markets and whose overall MLR is at least 92 percent.

http://dpc.senate.gov/healthreformbill/healthbill49.pdf
here is rather obviously no way that the additional profits from a 10% increase in number of insured will come anywhere close to covering that $9 billion fee. It is pretty obvious to me why insurers are spending hundreds of billions to stop reform, but then I've never been into wearing tinfoil.

[Beetwasher]

40. Don't Expect Any Response To Your Post From The Reactionary Anti-Reformers, There's Too Much Good

Information in it.

:toast:

[martymar64]

48. Sounds good on paper, but who's going to enforce it?

Laws are only as good as the budgeting of it's enforcement and the will of those tasked with doing the enforcing. Would you trust the SEC or the Fed to enforce these laws. A few strategically greased palms could render this thing toothless, especially when the palms belong to bureaucratic hold outs from the Bush administration. Some of them might just look the other way in the way the SEC looked the other way while Goldman Sachs and AIG and Bernie Madoff robbed people blind and with the exception of Madoff, got off scot-free and even received fat bonuses.

As for any of this reform, I have no doubt it'll pass. I also know that once it passes, the so-called moderates will be clamoring to "move forward" and put any fix to the HIR on the backburner forever.
The insurance industry will be forever subsidized with our tax dollars and we'll be stuck with policies that don't cover jack-shit. The system will never change when you embrace those that cause the problem.

[SoxFan]

39. Yeah, everyone who disagrees with the negabobs is an insurance shill

:eyes:

Bernie Sanders must be getting thousands of dollars in organic free range tofu under the table from Anthem Blue Cross...

[laughingliberal]

47. That would explain how he can still afford champagne. nt

[liberal N proud]

6. Question is, do you look this good doing that?

Hope you are dancing on tables.

Cheers.

[tabbycat31]

7. I plan on doing the same

and I have set a deadline for this--- my birthday (one that I am scared to death of because it has a 0 at the end) is on 3/31 and a healthcare bill passing and being signed by President Obama will be one kick ass birthday present

[SemiCharmedQuark]

13. My 30th is creeping up behind me like a stalker in the night.

So I feel your pain.

[tabbycat31]

16. it's a thread hijack but i'm starting to feel like a complete failure

years ago I had a list of things that I wanted to accomplish by the time I was 30. I have not accomplished a single thing on that list (decent job, marriage, family, house, etc). I do like that I still get carded for booze though.

[frazzled]

8. And I'll join you, especially if they do it by March 18

Because then I can toast to health care and ... my 60th birthday!

[flyarm]

9. and I am going down to supervisor of elections and re-registering as an Indy

I have been a registered Democrat since 1968..and I have been an elected democrat in my current state, and have belonged to democratic clubs in 9 states that i have lived. I have worked on national elections and have traveled for the Dem party to do public speaking since 2003..I am done!

This retired 33 yr Union worker says stick it on the 40% tax on my health care policy that i worked for ..gave concession after concession for ..went on strike for..was locked out for ..and have been taxed on the money I pay out for it in retirement!

I am done!

OH and i got a call tonight from the dem party asking for money..the guy that called prob wished he didn't..he got one hell of an ear full from me..and a message for Rahmn...to fuck off!..from the retard that will never kiss his ass!

[Yuugal]

42. +1

[Peacetrain]

10. Me too!

[firedupdem]

11. K&R!!!!! n/t

[girl gone mad]

12. I'll be searching for one hell of an attorney..

because I refuse to be fined for not purchasing a defective product.

[Spazito]

15. May I recommend ....

or




I think they would right up your alley!

[Bobbie Jo]

26. *snort*

:rofl:

[BlueDemKev]

22. Wouldn't it be cheaper....

....to buy health insurance than paying some right-wing lawyer to fight the new law in court?

[TwilightGardener]

23. It's the principle. Better to pay Dewey Cheatem and Howe and get nothing

than have a health insurance policy from an eeevil corporation, I guess.

[HughMoran]

29. Good luck with that

lol

[sabrina 1]

46. Me too n/t

[Fire1]

14. K&R n/t

[Clio the Leo]

17. remind me to reply to this when the bill is signed....

.... I'm superstitious. :)

[salguine]

18. Don't uncork that hooch until you have a look at your co-pays and deductibles.

[Writer]

20. Who said I drink hooch?

I'm Moet Chandon White Star all the way, dawg. ;)

[salguine]

30. Yeah, that's the point I was making. "Dawg".

[Writer]

31. You are such a baddass. n/t

[bornskeptic]

41. Insurance on the exchange will have a limit on out-of-pocket costs, unlike Medicare.

Copays and deductibles will be similar to those of large group insurance plans. The whole idea is to make large group insurance available to everyone. Paranoid fantasies about huge deductibles are usually spread by people who don't know the difference between a deductible and an out-of-pocket max. A policy with 70% actuarial value cannot have a deductible of over about $2500, mathematically, for an individual. Since preventive care would be provided without out-of-pocket cost, most people would not even go through the deductible in most years.

[TreasonousBastard]

49. Ever seen the copays and deductibles under Medicare?

[BlueDemKev]

21. Let's get it done!

Well, I share your sentiment but first we have to get it passed. The Whip Count provided on www.thehill.com is incredibly close. Besides losing Wexler's and Murtha's votes, it appears that Arcuri of New York is now a "No" vote (what's up with that??) That takes our vote total down to 216, and there are a lot of centrist Democrats who voted yes in November who are now facing tough races this year (thanks to the momentum the Republicans have gained in recent months (especially after getting Scott "Centerfold" Brown elected to Ted Kennedy's old seat). This is nowhere close to being a done deal.

[NYC_SKP]

24. Me too. My COBRA extension ends this August. And, I self-mandate carrying insurance.

Even if it's costly and crappy, I will not subject my fellow citizens to the cost of my medical care indirectly by being negligent.

Those who cannot afford it should be provided it.

Those who can scarcely afford it should have assistance.

And for all who must pay for it, there must be a non-profit provider, a public option or buy-in to Medicare.

I will dance with you, Writer, if Mr. Writer doesn't mind.

:toast:

[HughMoran]

28. Same here

I am totally screwed if something doesn't happen now.

Oh, my daughters depend on me for coverage as well.

[HughMoran]

25. As will I

This has been a long time coming. Seeing all the resistance - even from our own side - shows why HCR hasn't been accomplished to date.

[eridani]

32. I'm going to be puking my guts out,

Thanks for consigning me to the pile of disposable human garbage until I get old enough for Medicare.

[ShortnFiery]

34. Exactly. Like lambs to the slaughter.

If the House confirms this shitty Senate Bill, we can thank the P.T. Barnum type ConservaDems for pushing our Party out of power for another 8 to 12 years.

Yeah, celebration? :eyes:

[liberal N proud]

33. Kick

[NJmaverick]

35. HUGE KICK AND REC!!!

:toast:

[kjackson227]

36. You and me both. What a great thread to start the morning :)

[SoxFan]

38. I want pics of the second one!

:evilgrin:
:yourock:

[Dappleganger]

43. k&r

[backscatter712]

44. I'm with you...

Except I've got a nice bomber bottle of Odell Bourbon Barrel Imperial Stout awaiting the day of celebration.

:beer:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. I'll be as smug as I was since the primaries ended.

[TreasonousBastard]

50. I agree absolutely-- this bill doesn't look like it will end up...

to be what I would have planned, but what I would have planned is impossible.

This is as good as it gets, and it is more than we've gotten in 50 years, so I'll be drinkin' and dancin' with ya!

(And we shall let the naysayers, trolls, purists and anyone else complain until they have their first trip to the doctor and fall all over their new coverage. Then we deride them mercilessly.)