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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:11 AM
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It makes no sense to continually target the President while giving Congress a pass
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 10:15 AM by ProSense
Let's just look a some statements and things that have transpired over the past week or so:

Senate Uses Budget Technicality To Scuttle Jobs Bill For Vulnerable Workers

Our guest blogger is Melissa Boteach, the Half in Ten Manager at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

For the past few months, the talk around town has been around the conflicting imperatives of job creation and deficit reduction. Yet, somehow, a provision that would have created hundreds of thousands of jobs for vulnerable workers, without adding a penny to the deficit over the next 10 years, failed to muster the 60 votes needed to pass the Senate yesterday.

A fully paid-for amendment offered by Sens. John Kerry (D-MA) and Patty Murray (D-WA) that would have spent $1.3 billion to create up to 500,000 summer jobs for disadvantaged youth and $1.3 billion to provide opportunities for states to build on innovative Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) programs that are projected to create more than 100,000 subsidized jobs by September for vulnerable workers was scuttled by a 55-45 vote.

These two programs not only provide immediate economic relief for hard-hit families and communities; they have the potential to change the long-term employment prospects of youth and families by offering skills training and work experience so that workers can be full participants in the recovery that will eventually come.

These two programs not only provide immediate economic relief for hard-hit families and communities; they have the potential to change the long-term employment prospects of youth and families by offering skills training and work experience so that workers can be full participants in the recovery that will eventually come.

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“I think we have got to do everything that we can to get a public option so that is absolutely something ... somebody can and should do,” said Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who caucuses with Democrats.

Sanders said liberals have not decided who would offer such an amendment. However, Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) led a petition drive to get Senators to sign a letter pledging their support for it. The Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which has been tracking the letter signatories and Member statements, projects 41 firm votes in favor of the public option.

Sanders said he believes supporters will have the votes when the amendment comes up. “I can’t swear it to you, but I do think we can,” Sanders said. “I think that some people for whatever reason choose not to sign a letter but will vote. Yeah, I think we’ve got it.”

Despite Sanders’ declaration, it remains to be seen whether any public option amendment can be written in a way that will allow it to pass with 51 votes. If provisions of the amendment do not meet strict reconciliation rules that require every piece to have a budgetary impact, the amendment might have to overcome a 60-vote point of order — a feat that is nearly impossible to achieve.

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Single-payer aside, Sanders chalks up the difficulty Democrats have had passing health care to a mistaken belief about party unity when reform efforts kicked off.

"The major error Democrats undertook was to assume we had 60 votes or even 59," he said. "We never had that."

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Give Me a Break

March 10, 2010

The Senate on Wednesday passed a bill to extend through the end of the year unemployment insurance and help make health care coverage affordable. It passed overwhelmingly, although some senators voiced dire warnings about the deficit. Indeed, as Senator Bernie Sanders has said, the projected $1.6 trillion budget deficit is a very serious problem. It must be addressed. He has suggested ways to do so. He has called out deficit hawk phonies, however, who conveniently forget their deficit qualms when they want to eliminate the estate tax on American’s most fortunate families, for example. In Wednesday’s Wall Street Journal, Sanders accused the paper’s editorial page of the same kind of double talk. “Let me get this straight,” he wrote to the Journal. “You oppose a $250 one-time payment for seniors struggling to cope with spiraling health-care costs during the first year since 1975 that there will be no Social Security cost-of-living adjustment, but you barely batted an eye when Congress sank $700 billion into a bailout for Wall Street bankers.

“You liked the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy so much that you derided the worry warts ‘spooked by the charge of deficit spending,” he continued in the letter to the Journal. “You have been an unabashed cheerleader for ending the estate tax on the country's most fortunate families, without a peep of protest about digging us all deeper into debt. You back the unpaid for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that are costing trillions of dollars.

“Give me a break,” he concluded.


“Give me a break,” indeed. Just look at who voted against TANF and the http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00036">$250 emergency benefit for seniors. President Obama isn't up for re-election in 2010. It makes no sense to continue pretending he controls the legislative branch.

If members of Congress were hearing outrage from people at a frequency they couldn't ignore, that would be one thing. I doubt that is happening.



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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:18 AM
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1. lol enough incompetence to go around nt
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:22 AM
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2. LOL Have yet to see anyone here giving Congress a pass
'But, Mom, Freddy and Sally do it too!' has never been much of a defense though.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:26 AM
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4. When TANF and the seniors benefits failed, guess who wasn't in the room? And
guess who cannot be the on to do this: "liberals have not decided who would offer such an amendment."
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:25 AM
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3. From what i've seen Congress AND the WH are in the Same Boat Named: Fail
At least we still have Anthony Weiner, Alan Grayson, and Bernie Sanders.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:53 AM
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6. Yep. Watching some twist themselves into pretzels to shrug off Obama's part of the problem..
amazing.

The only people I have seen not holding Congress responsible for much, if not most or even all of the problems are a few members of Congress.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:01 AM
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9. It's easy to fan outrage. For example,
who cares if the President advocates bipartisanship? Seriously, who the hell cares? Many the key bills that have passed garnered no Republican support, and on the threshold of each vote, not a single person expected them to.

Congress introduces legislation in committee and commits them to votes in the full Senate or House. Obama does not contol that process. He can do whatever it takes to influence individual Senators, but the bottom line is the Senate has to come to a consensus and each member is responsible for his or her vote. People get a kick out progressives who hold out, and in fact want them to stand their ground and refuse to compromise. It isn't so much fun or useful when the person holding out is Lieberman or Nelson.

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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:55 AM
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8. The good ship My Fail Lady
It's a single-masted failboat, top speed zero.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:02 AM
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10. Yeah, it's easy to fan bullshit outrage.
It does nothing. It changes no one's mind and accomplishes nothing. I take that back, it can stall progress. The Republicans love this shit.

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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:13 AM
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14. Like with all your threads trying to turn people against Kucinich?
You're right, it changes no one's mind and accomplishes nothing. And yet you persist, day in day out, with whatever the daily talking point is.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:15 AM
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15. I don't give a shit about Kucinich. I want health care reform to pass.
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:16 AM by ProSense
He earns my contempt for declaring that he is willing to cast the vote that kills the bill.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:18 AM
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17. psychopathy says only one Congressman is beyond reproach
:crazy:
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:25 AM
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19. No, it would be more indicated by the relentless obsession with him
that so many of you share. The OP, his half-hearted protestations aside, is a prime example.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:26 AM
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20. Yes, why are his supporters obsessive and go completely apoplectic when he's criticized?
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:26 AM by HughMoran
Is he truly a God?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:31 AM
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21. "relentless obsession"? Kucinich took a dumb-ass position recently, which earned him attention.
When he dispappears between grandstanding, only his supporters think about him.

Now that people are rightful criticizing him for his ridiculous and hypocritical stance, some of those who appear to believe he is above scrutiny are whining like fanatics.

Maybe you should get over your "relentless obsession" with who the hell I choose to cricize?

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:34 AM
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22. Bullshit outrage is common on both sides.
I call myself guilty of an occasional lapse of open-mindedness, but this OP and your replies to people who disagree with you are prefect examples of what you just ranted about.

I have yet to see a single issue where you digress from the straight praise line, even when that line doubles back on itself. Yes the republicans love it when Democrats start calling progressives right wing. It really makes them laugh.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:39 AM
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24. Right...
I have yet to see a single issue where you digress from the straight praise line, even when that line doubles back on itself. Yes the republicans love it when Democrats start calling progressives right wing. It really makes them laugh.


...because the inability of some to digress from "the President sucks and I've given up on him" line is a virtue?

"I call myself guilty of an occasional lapse of open-mindedness"

What a crock.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:46 AM
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25. See. You proved my point.
My multiple posts supporting the president are ignored. My hours of time, sweat of passion, and thousands of dollars the helped get him elected are ignored. In your very myopic view, only posts that disagree with you are counted.

I will list the things I think are wonderful about the president if you will list the actions that he has taken that you disagree with.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:54 AM
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26. Yes, you spend your waking moment supporting the President
and giving him the benefit of the doubt as evidenced by calling him a liar.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 12:13 PM
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28. Can you address my reply? Or is it always games for you?
We can tit and tat back and forth all day to no effect. You get cheers and cred from your crew and I get plaudits from the always anti gang.

Are you at all interested in addressing the basic differences that are separating Democrats more and more? I will list the pleasures I have found in the Obama presidency if you can list those items (even an item?) where you part ways with the president.

But I like games too. If you would rather claw away at half the party, I can pretend to claw back. Which do you prefer?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 12:15 PM
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29. "You get cheers and cred from your crew"
Idiotic.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 05:25 PM
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32. Again. Care to address the issue or just spew.
All you need to do is show that you differ, other than the locus of your fealty, from the witless republicans who cheer anything bush or reagan did without regard to motive or result. They could find no point where they would disagree with ronnie or georgie even when it caused them to reverse course to follow the meandering path that the neocon puppets laid out. My president, right or wrong, is no better a sentiment than "My country, right or wrong."

The republicans ignore what they believe or espouse to vote en bloc. Surely we are made of better stuff.

So you list any issues where you differ with the president (send a memo to see if you can get permission to have a point view) and I will list the number where I agree with him.

(As for denigrating my efforts to get Obama elected, shame on you. I will put my unpaid hours and work up against yours. I did more to get him elected last year as you have been doing here with attitude and attack to make him a one-termer. My belief is that Obama is right to ask for our opinions when we disagree with him.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:17 AM
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16. Ahhh, one of those who thinks 3 Congressman out of 535 can save us
Give me a fucking break!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:50 AM
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5. Makes no sense at all. NT
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 10:55 AM
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7. I have no passes to give any of
them, they can all share the blame. Grasping at straws there. Our Party seems to be broken.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:04 AM
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11. None of them get a pass.
I'm not voting for any of them.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:09 AM
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12. It does seem that some think all President Obama has to do...
is sign everything he wants into law with one fell swoop of his hand. Too bad legislation doesn't work like that.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:12 AM
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13. Yup, and
he can't sign non-existing legislation. It was up to the Senate to pass TANF and the seniors benefits.



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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:24 AM
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18. Who's giving corrupt members of Congress a pass?
Trouble is- if there aren't any consequences for their behavior, they don't have the incentive to do the people's work when money for them is on the line.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:36 AM
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23. Let's see:
Senator Webb, occasional hero, voted against TANF. Is he corrupt? Is anyone calling him out?

Senator Feingold, frequent hero, voted against the senior benefits. Is he corrupt? Is anyone calling him out?

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 08:16 PM
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33. Actually, I called Web out yesterday for backing the student loan parasite and blocking Obama's plan
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 08:16 PM by depakid
Fact is thast there are too many of these complicit members of Congress and only one President- so of course he's going to get more focus and media attention for his bonehead plays.

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 12:02 PM
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27. I think that's partially correct. I'm glad Obama is starting to right his ship a bit by criticizing
congressional inaction publicly. Hopefully he will start being more direct and forceful. I've been waiting for the kid from the city of big shoulders to knock a few heads around for too long. It's past time, but there is still time left.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 01:00 PM
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30. I've been saying this for a while. The Prez doesn't work in a vacuum.
He works in a cesspool, apparently.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 01:11 PM
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31. Worry not. I'm angry at all three Branches of our "illustrious" Government. eom
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