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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:48 PM
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Reid to McConnell: Reconcile this.

Reid to McConnell: Reconcile this.

Harry Reid just sent Mitch McConnell a letter expressing his intention to move forward with reconciliation, and telling the Republicans to, well, read for yourself:

Though we have tried to engage in a serious discussion, our efforts have been met by repeatedly debunked myths and outright lies. At the same time, Republicans have resorted to extraordinary legislative maneuvers in an effort not to improve the bill, but to delay and kill it. After watching these tactics for nearly a year, there is only one conclusion an objective observer could make: these Republican maneuvers are rooted less in substantive policy concerns and more in a partisan desire to discredit Democrats, bolster Republicans, and protect the status quo on behalf of the insurance industry.<...>

60 Senators voted to pass historic reform that will make health insurance more affordable, make health insurance companies more accountable and reduce our deficit by roughly a trillion dollars. The House passed a similar bill. However, many Republicans now are demanding that we simply ignore the progress we’ve made, the extensive debate and negotiations we’ve held, the amendments we’ve added (including more than 100 from Republicans) and the votes of a supermajority in favor of a bill whose contents the American people unambiguously support. We will not. We will finish the job. We will do so by revising individual elements of the bills both Houses of Congress passed last year, and we plan to use the regular budget reconciliation process that the Republican caucus has used many times.

I know that many Republicans have expressed concerns with our use of the existing Senate rules, but their argument is unjustified. There is nothing unusual or extraordinary about the use of reconciliation. As one of the most senior Senators in your caucus, Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, said in explaining the use of this very same option, “Is there something wrong with majority rules? I don’t think so.” Similarly, as non-partisan congressional scholars Thomas Mann and Norm Ornstein said in this Sunday’s New York Times, our proposal is “compatible with the law, Senate rules and the framers’ intent.”

Reconciliation is designed to deal with budget-related matters, and some have expressed doubt that it could be used for comprehensive health care reform that includes many policies with no budget implications. But the reconciliation bill now under consideration would not be the vehicle for comprehensive reform – that bill already passed outside of reconciliation with 60 votes. Instead, reconciliation would be used to make a modest number of changes to the original legislation, all of which would be budget-related. There is nothing inappropriate about this. Reconciliation has been used many times for a variety of health-related matters, including the establishment of the Children’s Health Insurance Program and COBRA benefits, and many changes to Medicare and Medicaid.

As you know, the vast majority of bills developed through reconciliation were passed by Republican Congresses and signed into law by Republican Presidents – including President Bush’s massive, budget-busting tax breaks for multi-millionaires. Given this history, one might conclude that Republicans believe a majority vote is sufficient to increase the deficit and benefit the super-rich, but not to reduce the deficit and benefit the middle class. Alternatively, perhaps Republicans believe a majority vote is appropriate only when Republicans are in the majority. Either way, we disagree. Keep in mind that reconciliation will not exclude Republicans from the legislative process. You will continue to have an opportunity to offer amendments and change the shape of the legislation. In addition, at the end of the process, the bill can pass only if it wins a democratic, up-or-down majority vote. If Republicans want to vote against a bill that reduces health care costs, fills the prescription drug “donut hole” for seniors and reduces the deficit, you will have every right to do so.

Read the rest here. I wonder if this makes any House Democrats feel more certain about Reid's intentions?


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Washington, D.C. – Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sent a letter to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell explaining the path forward on health insurance reform. In the letter, Senator Reid details the steps that Senate Democrats have taken to secure bipartisan support for health reform despite the lack of cooperation from Senate Republicans. Reid said he will seek an democratic, up-or-down simple majority vote to revise the health reform bill already passed by a supermajority of 60 Senators last December. Reid also reiterated the commitment of Senate Democrats to deliver meaningful health reform that will ensure access to quality, affordable health care for all Americans.

Excerpts of Reid’s letter to Senator McConnell:

“While Republicans were distorting the facts in the health care debate and inflicting delay after needless delay, millions of Americans have continued to suffer as they struggle to afford to stay healthy, stay out of bankruptcy and stay in their homes. Thousands of Americans lose their health care every day, and tens of thousands of the uninsured have lost their lives since this debate began.”

“Many Republicans now are demanding that we simply ignore the progress we’ve made, the extensive debate and negotiations we’ve held, the amendments we’ve added (including more than 100 from Republicans) and the votes of a supermajority in favor of a bill whose contents the American people unambiguously support. We will not. We will finish the job.”

“As you know, the vast majority of bills developed through reconciliation were passed by Republican Congresses and signed into law by Republican Presidents – including President Bush’s massive, budget-busting tax breaks for multi-millionaires. Given this history, one might conclude that Republicans believe a majority vote is sufficient to increase the deficit and benefit the super-rich, but not to reduce the deficit and benefit the middle class. Alternatively, perhaps Republicans believe a majority vote is appropriate only when Republicans are in the majority. Either way, we disagree.”

“At the end of the process, the bill can pass only if it wins a democratic, up-or-down majority vote. If Republicans want to vote against a bill that reduces health care costs, fills the prescription drug ‘donut hole’ for seniors and reduces the deficit, you will have every right to do so.”

Below is the text of the letter to Senator McConnell:

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:50 PM
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1. That's Some Pretty Good Smackdown
Good on Reid for this.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:51 PM
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3. What EXACTLY did Reid prove? Will it get us 51 votes for reconciliation? It's all an act.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:57 PM
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4. Still Good Smackdown
But don't let that stop your shrill pissing.

Man it will be great to see your head explode when this thing passes. You truly will be much shorter and more fiery. :rofl:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:58 PM
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5. That's the point. All this TALK doesn't mean anything to the working wage earner. eom
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:00 PM
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9. SQUAWK!
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 03:01 PM by Beetwasher
Man, you sure are helping the "working wage earner" with your pissing! Oh, I get it, the guy with the bucket gets overtime cleaning up your spittle and piddle. :rofl:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:02 PM
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13. You don't get it. This is all a RUSE. We don't have the votes in the Senate for ANY reconciliation
:shrug: You just won't accept the fact that you are being HAD?

Lambs to the slaughter. Not unlike NAFTA and the Bankster Bailout.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:03 PM
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15. LOL! Yes, Only You Get It!
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 03:04 PM by Beetwasher
You're so S-M-R-T smart! :rofl:

Now if only you can keep your spittle from ruining your monitor, then we'd be making REAL progress!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:04 PM
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17. Tell me WHERE are the votes in the Senate for reconciliation? We don't have the votes.
You are naive or so invested that you won't allow yourself to see the truth being the "happy talk."
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:05 PM
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19. I Got Your Votes, Right Here:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. How "Klassy" of you.
:eyes:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:09 PM
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26. Cool! And A Cheap Date To Boot!
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 03:10 PM by Beetwasher
I'm also easy.

:woohoo:
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 04:11 PM
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39. Well if that's the case...
we should talk! I kid, I kid! ;)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 04:16 PM
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40. Awww, You Got My Hopes Up!
:evilgrin:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 04:05 PM
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36. We don't KNOW if it's a ruse yet or not. We won't KNOW until the deal is done.
Stop giving yourself ulcers -- if you're right, there will be plenty of time for that later.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #9
21. LOL..you're talkin' to
ignore and I can only imagine what's said on the other end.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:07 PM
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23. It's Funny, You Should Un-Ignore For A Chuckle
n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Nah, I had my last chuckles with the ignores.
There's real humor to be found..like your responses. :)
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #21
38. LOL Cha!
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 04:14 PM by tallahasseedem
He's talking to ignore for me as well! :)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #38
51. ..
:)
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. I honestly feel sorry for you. I've already "come down." You're half-way smart so
when you finally figure out that you've been used ... well, it won't be a good feeling.

Time will tell but it's not humorous, but tragic to have more of our income GIVEN to the upper 1%.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:02 PM
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12. Two Replies From You? I Feel So Special
Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 03:02 PM by Beetwasher
I'm not worthy! :rofl:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Wha...wha...wha...wha...
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. Another TAG-TEAM moment.
:eyes:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #6
24. Oh, that's good graphic for a negative nellie.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Oh you Obama Administration *adorers* are so BRAVE when you travel in packs.
:puke:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #6
32. And, btw.. they're
all on ignore for me so I can't answer their negative cries..not that I want to.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:59 PM
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7. Go stick your head in a bucket..... really, you are just ridiculous.
There has been momentous progress made on trying to fix healthcare in this country.

You want pie in the sky like Kucinich...Push for single payer or a public option that will NEVER get the votes in the Senate and settle for nothing else. In the interim, people are denied healthcare, are cut off from healthcare and DIE! You are no better than the right wing.

Go away please. And take the right wing with you! You deserve each other. Go find an island, pitch your tent and whine at each other. People with your attitude never get a damn thing done for anyone!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:03 PM
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14. This is bullshit, not progress. eom
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:03 PM
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16. My God! Get real, won't you?
It's ok to think the bill they are trying to pass is shitty, it's OK not to like Reid, etc., etc., etc., etc., but what on earth does "What EXACTLY did Reid prove?" mean?!?!?!?! He did not prove anything. He did not have to prove anything in this letter. He is letting the R leader know what is coming in the near future and lays the basis and justification for what is going to be brought to the Senate floor. As to the 51 votes? You KNOW they are there, more than that (incidentally only 50 are needed + Biden). That's not the problem and the unknown. The problem is whether there will be situations where 51 votes will be deemed not to be enough.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:07 PM
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22. No, there are NOT 51 votes. Deep down, you KNOW that. We don't have the votes for reconciliation.
Forcing the House to pass the CORRUPT Senate Bill is a big mistake and we will LOSE big in November if you fall for it.

OK, that's all - you've been forewarned. Bookmarking. :hi:
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:33 PM
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33. Ok, bet taken
will YOU come back and say "I was wrong" when the voted do materialize?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:43 PM
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35. Yes, but they won't. My Senators (VA), Webb and Warner, are corporate enabling
through and through. We don't have the votes in the Senate.

However, IF by some miracle we accomplish a robust public option through Senate reconcilliation, I will humble myself and apologize ... admit that I was wrong.

That day won't arise but I'm a stand up gal - you're on! :hi:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #22
50. Let me get this straight. You say there arent 50 votes in the Senate to pass HCR when there were 60
the first time thru? What happened to them?
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 07:47 PM
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45. We alerady have 51 votes for reconciliation
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 07:50 PM
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46. God, I love you, Sooooo predictable in these uncertain times
Just like prunes.

:hurts:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 02:50 PM
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2. When Pigs Fly! eom
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:12 PM
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29. What is your deal?! JMJ!! Ugh. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:14 PM
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30. My point is that this disaster will turn out similar to NAFTA. eom
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:00 PM
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8. Favorite Smackdown: “Is there something wrong with majority rules? I don’t think so.” - Judd Gregg
Perhaps MSNBC's David Shuster will report on Reid's letter. He's got big brass balls!
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:01 PM
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11. Nice Performance Reid..wish you "pretended" Strength all those years too.
Nice try. Maybe your poll #s will rise a few points though
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:06 PM
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20. Way too verbose...
Let me sum it up.
Reid says "Suck on it"
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:34 PM
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34. Ha! nt
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 03:19 PM
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31. Hand-Wringing Harry
Saying you're doing it isn't actually doing it -- so fucking DO IT already and be done with it!

Jesus.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 04:07 PM
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37. Call and e-mail Reid your thanks, if you're so inclined. He could probably use
some hugs these days.


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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 07:19 PM
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42. Yes - especially in light of his family's emergency today. nt
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 07:18 PM
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41. The phrase, 'bitch-slap' comes to mind. Excellent letter. nt
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 07:33 PM
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43. Harry, you're sexy when you're bitch-slapping Republicans!
:*

Keep it up!
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voteearlyvoteoften Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 07:44 PM
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44. I rec and wish to rec again
Too bad we played nice...waster of time
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 07:52 PM
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47. It's a start. This would be most excellent:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 12:22 AM
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48. This must have been what it felt like when Andrew Jackson challenged Charles Dickinson to a duel!!!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 12:27 AM
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49. good smackdown Reid! do MOREEEEE! :)
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 03:20 PM
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52. Well, well, well....
Harry grows the proverbial pair!
Good on him! Now let's see him make it happen.
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