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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:00 AM
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"a nude hot tubbing incident with a teenage girl 25 years ago"
Edited on Fri Mar-12-10 09:05 AM by wyldwolf
"In a tearful statement in a packed House chambers," Utah House Majority Leader Kevin Garn (R) admitted "to a nude hot tubbing incident with a teenage girl 25 years ago," the Deseret News reports.

Garn said the mistake has "now come back to haunt me" as the woman has gone public with the story.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/03/12/utah_legislator_admits_paying_girl_hush_money.html

He also paid her $150,000 to keep quiet about it.

Just for the record, I, too, had a nude hot tubbing incident with a teenage girl 25 years ago. These days I'd pay her $50. to her to tell everyone she knows. :evilgrin:
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:02 AM
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1. Garn is finally getting the screwing he missed back then,
Tehe.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:07 AM
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2. The hottub incident may have been 25 yrs ago.....
....but it's got him in "hot water" again! He's all washed up!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 07:33 PM
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33. It's not the act it's the coverup. :) nt
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:09 AM
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3. Although we did not have any sexual contact ..... please
Although we did not have any sexual contact :rofl:

So Mr. Family Values, screwed a 14 year girl and then paid black mail?

"Twenty five years ago I made a mistake that has now come back to haunt me. I was 28-yrs old and I foolishly went hot-tubbing with a young woman
nearly half my age. Although we did not have any sexual contact, it was still clearly inappropriate -- and it was my fault.

One of the consequences of that decision was the negative impact it had on this young person's life. Years later, when I was running for Congress,
she decided to bring this incident to the attention of the media. Shortly thereafter, my wife and I met with her, and at her demand, I paid her $150,000.
While this payment felt like extortion, I also felt like I should take her word that the money would help her heal. She agreed to keep this 25-year-old
incident confidential. Now that this issue is coming up again, it is apparent to me that this payment was also a mistake.

Today, she went to the press and reported all of these events. There will be a story. I expect to suffer public humiliation and embarrassment, but I also
want you to know that I cannot allow one foolish mistake to continue to shadow my life. At this point, I would rather be open and honest about this than
continue to live in fear. Some lessons are hard to learn. This is something I should have done back in 2002. But I was scared. I did not want to be publicly
judged by one of my life's worst
decisions
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:15 AM
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6. So when is 14 year old " a young woman"?
And Monica Lewinsky was just a "girl" at 23?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:38 AM
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16. So when do we hear about how upset he was w/ Bill Clinton's actions?
Help from Utah DUer please?????
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:18 AM
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8. He was 28, she was "nearly half" his age - that makes her 13 at most.
What's Republicanese for "pedophile"?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:16 AM
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19. Nude in a hot tub and there was no sexual contact? RIGHT.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 08:08 PM
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34. i've been in a hot tub and hot springs with other naked people
and there was no sexual contact.

so it's possible. just sayin.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:11 AM
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4. 25 years ago, he was 30
How old was the teenager? 13,14,15?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:26 AM
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10. In other words, it was gross and if there was sexual contact, it was possibly illegal.
Edited on Fri Mar-12-10 09:27 AM by Jennicut
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:33 AM
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13. If he was naked as he says --
it would seem illegal without sexual contact.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:49 AM
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18. Yup. I worked in a group home for boys 9 years ago and a 13 year old
boy (who had been sexually abused by his own mother, very sad situation) tried to kiss me. I was about 25. I totally knew it was wrong and horrible. I immediately told my supervisor and we went to the psychologist on call with the boy. I just don't get when some adults don't realize that they are crossing the line, even if there is no sex involved. That little boy still is on my mind 9 years later.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:23 AM
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22. Oh, but they were probably related, so that makes it ok.
Everybody in UT is cousins of everybody else.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:48 AM
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28. That would be illegal - but would exposing himself to an underage girl be illegal?
Just as even consensual sex would be statuary rape, would a 15 year old be able "to consent" to this? Not to mention the fact that she worked for him. For anyone who thought Clinton did anything wrong, this goes well beyond that - this was a child.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:13 AM
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5. I know someone who went to jail for that so this guy may be in real hot water.
Yes, middle class white men can be sent to jail for hot tub hankie pankie with minors. Pack your bags, others are already doing the time. Trust me , this won't be good for your quality of life. I thought my friend would die in there before he got out. Released at age 72 with a whole new outlook on life.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:32 AM
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27. no pun intended?
:)

He not only allowed the situation to get as far as it did he paid her off. He deserves punishment, imo.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 11:23 AM
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32. Too funny, I must be slipping.
Thanks for the laugh.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:16 AM
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7. Is there statutory limits on statutory rape?
And then there is the bribery charge.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:23 AM
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21. Yes. After 25 years, the statute of limitations will have expired.
But the embarrassment lingers on.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:54 AM
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29. Is the payment illegal - and would 2002 be too long ago?
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:22 AM
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9. Is this viral marketing for Hot Tub Time Machine?
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:57 AM
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31. LOL
I thought the same thing!
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:26 AM
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11. Uh oh! I'm nude in the hot tub right now.
No one told me that could be a problem. :cry:
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:30 AM
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12. Oh, boo hoo.
Ever notice how pukes can cry all over the place when their careers are over. I hope every puke in the place patted him on the back and consoled him and that there are pictures of it all.

Of course, he hasn't been crying for what he did to that girl all those years ago. Poor puke, victim of his own self-absorbed needs and inability to control his wanker.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:39 AM
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17. They gave him "thunderous applause."
House members gave him thunderous applause for his honesty and embraced him. As majority leader, Garn was the House's point man on a series of legislative ethics bills this year that were designed to restore the public's faith in the Legislature after recent accusations of bribery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/12/kevin-garn-confession-uta_n_496323.html
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ChicagoSuz219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:34 AM
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14. LOL for your joke!
Is Glenn Beck running to snare this dude, too? I'm guessing no...
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:37 AM
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15. I had several myself.
Of course, I was a teenager at the the time.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:26 AM
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24. I had one incident in a hot tub 28 years ago, nude of course, but we ALL
were 25-30 yrs old, lol.

As to whether there was sexual conduct, well, I'm not telling.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:54 AM
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30. Oh come on, a hint? Just a hint?
:evilgrin:
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:19 AM
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20. I was a nude teenaged girl in a hot tub 25 years ago.
Edited on Fri Mar-12-10 10:25 AM by Bette Noir
What do I win?

edited for I can't type before my coffee
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:24 AM
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23. I thought I recognized you! You're still hot!
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MurrayDelph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:27 AM
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25. Yes, she is!
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:28 AM
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26. (blush)
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