Stats Say Kucinich may be Least Valuable Democrat

[krawhitham]

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/03/stats-say-kucinich-may-be-least.html

Kucinich's score of -4.22 is not only worse than that of any other Democrat: it is also worse than that of all but 22 Republicans.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/03/stats-say-kucinich-may-be-least.html

[dionysus]

1. not really surprising. when you're nothing more than a protest "no" vote on everything,

that's what happens.

[Donnachaidh]

2. nice *spin*

:rofl: :rofl:

[dionysus]

4. it's reality.

he's 3 for 97 on bills, the 3 he did pass were of little consequence. now he's grandstanding and voting against everything. he literally offers no value. why you guys consider him the embodyment of all that is good and just is just.. bizarre.

:rofl:, indeed.

[goclark]

5. My, my ~ this is worse than I thought

Surprise,surprise!

[dionysus]

8. look, i'm sure he's a nice guy and all that, be the way he's elevated by some peope into

some kind of legendary liberal hero is ridiculous. he's not fit to wash Ted Kennedy's socks as far as that goes.

[AllentownJake]

20. I think it has more to do with the fact

that a certain subset of DU reflexively attacks him whenever they think Barack ain't doing so well, and the other group reflexively defends him to piss that group off.

[HughMoran]

45. Well, that's not really true.

Yes, Kucinich is attacked from time-to-tome, but each time that I can remember, he was the one that set things into motion with a particularly poorly timed TV interview. He seems to like to spout off at the least opportune times. That's my opinion, but I have a feeling that many people here would agree with me.

[jefferson_dem]

3. Not surprising at all.

Markos has been asking for Kucinich supporters to list his legislative accomplishments for a few days. Nobody can do it.

And here comes the hate mail... http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/13/845774/-Saturday-hate-mail-apalooza

[AllentownJake]

6. Stats show whenever someone post a Dennis K bashing thread

They are worried about the inadequacies of the administration.

Nervous this weekend aren't we.

[spoony]

10. Yeah for all the insisting that he's powerless, can't get votes, outside the mainstream

etc etc, they sure are spending a hell of a lot of effort tearing him down!

[DJ13]

11. They are worried about the inadequacies of the administration

Its a limp attempt?

[bkozumplik]

36. bingo /nt

[havocmom]

13. Dat's been my observation today

'Look over there! It's Dennis da rat No, no, don't look at the DEM leadership, lookie, der's Dennis da rat.'

We need a new playlist around here. It ain't Dennis that is screwing the people on behalf of the corporations pumping $$ into campaign coffers.

[pecwae]

52. +

[brentspeak]

7. I didn't know Dennis Kucinich was President.

I figured you must have a good reason for posting this drivel in General Discussion: Presidency

[Davis_X_Machina]

22. He's president here. Welcome to D(K)U..... n/t

[Name removed]

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[impik]

9. He is 4 years old

Just a child who never really did anything to deserve the credit he gets from the self-proclaimed "Progressives". Like them, he is against progress. It's all about juvenile righteousness. Pathetic.

[druidity33]

15. your words box you in...

because you see, righteousness is what some of us seek. You detractors of the righteous are juveniles. Those who cannot stand by their convictions are pathetic.

"Righteousness (also called rectitude) is an important theological concept in Judaism and Christianity. It is an attribute that implies that a person's actions are justified, and can have the connotation that the person has been "judged" or "reckoned" as leading a life that is pleasing to God."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteousness


:shrug:

[bkozumplik]

37. if being an "adult" means taking it up the arse on the important issues..

then...
juvenile sounds fine to me.

keep your corrupt deals and worthless nonregulation and wars and letting the bushes walk free.
Hold hands with the trickle downers.
Keep your daily footsies with the rethugs, in return for no real reconciliation and nothing but constant epic failure.
see how far that gets you.
You're a REAL adult. congrats.

[Mass]

12. Valuable for whom? If there were more Kucinich in the House and the Senate, we may be able to

get decent healthcare bill or finance regulation bill.

Compared to Mark Warner refusing to change student loans, or Claire McCaskill voting against extending TANF (and in both cases more because of concerns for big businesses than poor people), I am not exactly sure why Kucinich is not valuable.

Of course, if the goal is to have Democrats who will agree with the White House on everything, may be Kucinich is not valuable, but as a balance against Ben Nelson or Cooper, he is extremely valuable.

[asdjrocky]

14. Crap

is on my shoe. Sorry, I was out in the garden.

[Q3JR4]

16. From the link.

"The original version of the ratings built in an exception for what I termed "liberal nos": votes that a Democratic member cast against his party's agenda, but which he justified by stating that the policy under consideration was not liberal enough. We did not count the liberal no votes as yes votes -- we just threw them out, treating them as non-votes instead.

But what if we don't build in an exception for the so-called "liberal no's" -- that is, simply take every vote at face value? It turns out, then, that Davis is no longer the least valuable Democrat. Instead, it is Dennis Kucinich, who voted against health care, the hate crimes bill, the budget, the cap-and-trade bill, and financial regulation -- all ostensibly from the left -- in spite of coming from from the strongly Democratic Ohio 10th district near Cleveland."

If I lived in Kucinich's strongly Democratic Ohio 10th district I would still vote for him. Why would I do that even though he betrayed the current party leadership? Because the party leadership betrayed us all first.

"There was once a man named George McGovern who was at least as big a pain in the ass as Kucinich is now, and for the same reasons. When this McGovern fellow retired he had a nickname, 'Conscience of the Democratic Party.'"

Fortunately if Ohio's 10th district is as liberal as they say, Kucinich isn't going anywhere, and that is a good thing. I'm of the opinion that the more people we have in congress pulling the party to the left, regardless of whether or not they get on the left wing of the corporatist party's bandwagon, is better in the long run for the ultimate health of this country.

Q3JR4.

[suzie]

31. How does voting with Republicans pull the party left?

Kucinich simply isn't a liberal, he just talks like one and votes conserative.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

17. He leaves too many men on base

[pscot]

27. Johnny (Denny) One note

Johnny could only sing one note And the note he sings was this---Ahhhhhhh!

Poor Johnny one-note
sang out with "gusto"
And just overlorded the place
Poor Johnny one-note
yelled willy nilly
Until he was blue in the face
For holding one note was his ace

Couldn't hear the brass Couldn't hear the drum
He was in a class By himself, by gum!

[HughMoran]

18. I shouldn't laugh out loud when I read this & I should resist the urge to post here, but

I really did laugh out loud when I read your post & thought you should know.

:rofl:

[dionysus]

19. laughing's good for you. it relieves stress and lowers blood pressure.

:hi:

[HughMoran]

23. Tell me about it. I just watched my daughter play B-Ball - they made it to the championship game

But not without a LOT of stress! In fact, they got to the game on a 3rd tiebreaker - didn't even know they were in until after the 3rd game was over. So, I need to laugh at this time! :D

[dionysus]

24. congrats!

yes, DU is more and more becoming a place to laugh at some series crazy.

[HughMoran]

25. Series!!

It's difficult at times not to LOL at some of the hypocrisy.

[dionysus]

26. there's some true professionals, i tell you!

[salguine]

21. he's one of about five who actually are valuable. It's the rest of them that are worthless.

[Telly Savalas]

28. Yipes. Sabremetrics is working its way into politics now?

[Cha]

29. And, who is he beating out?...

<snip from your article>

"The analysis concluded that TN-6's Bart Gordon, who voted with the Democrats on 8 of 10 key agenda items in spite of coming from a R+13 district, had provided the most value to his party on key votes. (Unfortunately for Democrats, Gordon is retiring.) Artur Davis of AL-7, who has voted against several major agenda items because he is running for governor in Alabama, was the least valuable Democrat."

[suzie]

30. K & R

[Oregone]

32. Only if you value passing shitty legislation

[Dinger]

33. I'm Union And I Vote Too

That is all.

[Dinger]

34. Sickening Flamebait

In my opinion anyway.

[Name removed]

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[bkozumplik]

39. same when anyone posts anything critical of the mighty O

He's so dreamy.

[jefferson_dem]

47. "mighty O"?

:spray:

[Dinger]

42. Well Maybe They Lock It For A Reason

Think about it.

[Sebastian Doyle]

49. They have been doing this shit for the last 4 days and all of the threads are still open

Try finding any thread critical of a FAKE Democrat that stays open that long.

[jefferson_dem]

50. FAKE Democrat?

Who might that be?

Let's do a test to see who is the "fake(er)" Democrat. Look for Kucinich's name and see who he's surrounded by. Republicans are italicized.

1. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml

2. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml

3. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll906.xml

4. ...

[bkozumplik]

35. maybe its your your stats that suck

could it be...
I'm not even going to bother to dig into why your stats suck, because so often Kucinich speaks for me more than the democratic party en masse does.

He's got twice the balls of the average dem, so I dont really care much what your stats say.

[goclark]

40. Seems like an eye opener to me

Where are the positive results for the things that he pushes?

[hulka38]

41. He warns us about Iraq and the financial crash way ahead of the curve

and people want to exile him. Reminds me of Themistocles.

[bvar22]

43. LOL....Just for you!

[Dinger]

44. LOVE It!

Great catch!

[jefferson_dem]

46. Awesome cap.

Wow! Those were the days. Good times.

[nemo137]

51. What did he vote no on the hate crimes?

I've never seen that explained.

[Bluenorthwest]

53. Because principles have no value to most in Congress

Speaking the truth is valuable to some of us. That value is proven over and over again. This very post is repeated all over DU. If his message had no resonance it would not get such a huge opposite reaction from a handful of posters.

[Bluenorthwest]

54. Oh and also Union

Yes I am.

[Greyhound]

55. LOL! And Dianne Feinstein is doing a great job for her constituents!

Actually, we could insert so many names in here it might become clear that the system is being gamed.

Nah...

[freddie mertz]

56. Time to give this theme a rest.

Is someone paying folks by the thread to post about this guy?

Can I get a cut by posting my complaint about it?

Seriously, time for a new meme.