Micheal Moore: Pre existing doesn't kick in until four years from now

[bigdarryl]

only children will be covered for preexisting when the bill is signed DAMN!!!!!! he was on TV tonight saying this bill is garbage

[still_one]

1. Actually to be honest, no one really knows what the final bill will say, and the Democrats have

been so lame in explaining it, no wonder there is so much doubt

If they take Obama's recommendations then Moore is correct, however, we really don't know what the final bill will be

[Political Heretic]

13. That is 100% false.

There is a final bill. It is the passed Senate Health Care Bill. There is no "Conference" between House and Senate and the bill cannot be changed unless the changes were re-passed in the Senate. That is WHY the house is being asked to pass the Senate Bill as-is. To avoid another vote in the Senate that Dems would surely lose.

So, we know precisely what is in the bill that is to be passed. You can read it, I can (and have read it) and there is more than plenty of policy breakdown from non-partisan sources available.

People just need to start listening.

I'm sorry if you were surprised that much of what is in the bill doesn't kick in for years, but you shouldn't be. It's written right in the bill available for all to see as plain as day.

[still_one]

19. I am not surprised, I am pissed. I have read the Senate and the House version

and I am extremely disappointed

As far as your assessment that the information is widely known, just read the posts here at DU to see how much confusion there is

[flamingdem]

2. If that is false information MM is being extremely unhelpful in spreading that info (disinfo) nt

[Political Heretic]

14. You can read it for yourself. In the meantime all preexistings get dumped into one shitpile

catch-all plan.

[damonm]

3. Much as I love Michael...

he speaks a half-truth here.
What he said is true - as far as it goes.
But for everyone else with preexisting conditions, there is an interim high-risk pool that will cover them until the exchange is up and running.

[sandnsea]

4. The Senate bill has a pre-existing transition

IIRC, the Senate bill will have a pool for those with pre-existing conditions until all the provisions of the health care bill are put in place. That's already been hashed and trashed at DU so why the sudden surprise.

[flamingdem]

5. Why was it trashed? nt

[sandnsea]

8. The sick people would be in one expensive pool

So six months ago the complaint was the those with pre-existing would be covered, but it would be expensive. (Even though there would be a subsidy) Now they abandon that complaint and run with the time frames for implementing the reforms, even though everybody at DU already knew this was going to be phased in.

It's just one pile of bullshit on top of another.

[Writer]

6. Well, fuck! Let's just abandon the bill...

so that we NEVER see a ban on refusals based on preexisting conditions!

:eyes:

[NYC_SKP]

7. Even if he was right, and he isn't, if we don't pass it now it may not come around again for decades

Four years is nuthin'.

We just got done with 8 years of hell, four years, piece of cake.

[mucifer]

9. Ed Schultz said it will be much sooner than 4 years. Wait and see.

[Ozymanithrax]

10. Immediate Reform benefits...

Immediate Insurance Reform Benefits
Access to Affordable Coverage for the Uninsured with Pre-existing Conditions

•The President's proposal will provide $5 billion in immediate federal support for a new program to provide affordable coverage to uninsured Americans with pre-existing conditions. This provision is effective 90 days after enactment, and coverage under this program will continue until new Exchanges are operational in 2014.

No Pre-existing Coverage Exclusions for Children

•The President's proposal eliminates pre-existing condition exclusions for all Americans beginning in 2014, when the Exchanges are operational. Recognizing the special vulnerability of children, the plan prohibits health insurers from excluding coverage of pre-existing conditions for children, effective six months after enactment and applying to all new plans.

Michael Moore statement is not entirely accurate.

[Schema Thing]

11. that certainly would not make the bill "garbage" now would it?

let's be grown ups.

[MiniMe]

12. I thought that was one of the things that Al Franken mentioned kicked in sooner than 4 years

Of course, the bill may have changed since he said that.

[FrenchieCat]

15. That is incorrect........

and it is too bad that Michael Moore is on television
spreading untruths.

I have bought his books, purchased tickets to his movies,
but he didn't have to lie, and I just hope that he is misinformed.

I will certainly write to him and let him know that he got his facts wrong,
and that ain't good.

[Change Happens]

16. He is wrong....

[ipaint]

17. So for profit ins. can still dump people.

Regardless of the new gov. provided dumping ground, it seems ins. companies can still dump adults for preexisting conditions. Otherwise why the dumping ground plan?

Moore was right. ins. companies can still dump people. The taxpayers will pick up the tab through a new gov. plan. How convenient for the ins. companies.

[salguine]

18. You know what this Democratic Congress' response to this whole health care mess is like?

Remember that incident that came out during the Jeffrey Dahmer trial, where that one kid got away from Dahmer and was running down the street, and he flagged down two passing cops? And the cops handed the kid back over to Dahmer? I couldn't think of any metaphor that sums up the way this Democratic Congress has handled this whole thing. The Democratic Congress are like those two cops, the people of this country are the naked kid running down the street in desperate need of help. You can guess which character the insurance cartels are.

They were elected in 2008 to rescue us, basically, and instead of protecting us from the insurance cartels, they've delivered us right over to them to be devoured instead.