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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:39 AM
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39 Congressional democrats are against health care according to Big Ed
DAMN!!! not looking good folks
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:42 AM
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1. Did he say who? I gather only about half are Blew Dogs...n/t
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:44 AM
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3. No he's talking to Davis Shulster and said it might even go until Easter until they have a vote
Ed said if they try and go that route that means there in trouble
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:48 AM
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8. Actually, most are blue dogs.
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 11:49 AM by Jennicut
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/85693-whip-watch-the-hills-survey-of-house-dems-positions-on-healthcare-
This list says the nos are 37. No one knows for sure, except maybe Pelosi.

Firm No, Leaning No, Likely No (37)
John Adler (N.J.) (N) Citing cost containment, Adler told the Courier-Post that he will vote against Senate measure
Michael Arcuri (N.Y.) (Y) Some reports have him as firm no, but Rules Committee member hasn't closed the door yet
John Barrow (Ga.) * (N) Voted no last year in committee and on floor. Likely no
Marion Berry (Ark.) * (Y) Has been critical of the president since announcing his retirement. Strong backer of Stupak language. Voted yes in Budget Committee markup on March 15
Dan Boren (Okla.) * (N) Won't be changing his mind — firm no
Rick Boucher (Va.) (N) GOP target who has told local press outlets in Virginia he has major problems with Medicare cuts and "unsavory dealmaking" that benefited Nebraska, Louisiana and Florida. Leaning no
Bobby Bright (Ala.) * (N) Voted against House health bill, stimulus and climate change. Firm no
Allen Boyd (Fla.) (N) Facing primary challenge. Voted no on education reform bill expected to move with healthcare reform as part of reconciliation. Voted no on March 15 during Budget Committee markup
Chris Carney (Pa.) * (Y) Carney told the Scranton Times-Shamrock, "As I said publicly, I can't vote for a bill that will publicly fund abortion."
Ben Chandler (Ky.) * (N) His office told The Hill on March 15: “Congressman Chandler’s position on the bill remains the same. He expects to vote against the legislation.”
Travis Childers (Miss.) * (N) In toss-up reelection race
Jerry Costello (Ill.) * (Y) Told the Akron Telegraph March 14 that White House and leadership "bungled" healthcare reform. Most of the calls, e-mails and letters he has received have advised a no vote. Says he opposes Senate bill, but doesn't sound like an absolute no
Artur Davis (Ala.) * (N) Running for governor, but will make sure to return to D.C. to vote no
Lincoln Davis (Tenn.) * (N) Voted no first time, and most expect him to vote no again. He has not commented publicly.
Joe Donnelly (Ind.) * (Y) Among the Stupak dozen — will vote no unless abortion language in Senate bill is changed, according to The Rochester Sentinel
Steve Driehaus (Ohio) * (Y) In toss-up race in November who is ardent backer of Stupak language. Now sounds like a very firm no. Told the Cincinnati Enquirer, "They are going to have to do it without me and without the other pro-life Democrats."
Chet Edwards (Texas) (N) Perennial GOP target. Edwards spokesman told CNN he will vote no. Votes no at March 15 Budget Committee markup
Luis Gutierrez (Ill.) (Y) Citing immigration language, Gutierrez said on MSNBC that "I can't support this bill." Lawmaker has lambasted the president on not moving immigration reform yet. Warned that other Hispanic lawmakers will also vote no
Larry Kissell (N.C.) (N) GOP target, but reelection chances on the rise. Firm no
Frank Kratovil (Md.) (N) Voted for climate change; says he will vote no
Dennis Kucinich (Ohio) (N) Progressive was on the fence before House vote last fall. He has said he is a firm no this time around. An undeterred President Barack Obama publicly called on him to back the bill on March 15 and gave him a ride on Air Force One
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (S.D.) (N) Congresswoman told the Rapid City Journal she's a no, noting she is not a fan of reconciliation. She also voted no on education reform bill expected to move in reconciliation with healthcare reform
Tim Holden (Pa.) * (N) Voted against healthcare and climate change in 2009. Told The Republican Herald that he is a no, citing abortion and "significant" cuts to Medicare and Medicaid
Daniel Lipinski (Ill.) * (Y) Will not vote for abortion language in Senate bill, but has other concerns as well. Democratic leaders cannot count on Lipinski
Jim Marshall (Ga.) * (N) Perennial GOP target, but favored to win reelection. Told The Hill he's a no
Jim Matheson (Utah) * (N) President Obama this year tapped brother for post, but Matheson still a likely no
Mike McIntyre (N.C.) * (N) Seven-term lawmaker rejected House health bill and climate change. Spokesman tells The Hill McIntyre is a no. Expected to win reelection easily even though Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) won district
Mike McMahon (N.Y.) (N) Suggested last month he was a no to the Staten Island Advance. McMahon told The Hill on March 12 he is leaning no. Voted no on education reform bill that is expected to move with healthcare reform in reconciliation
Charlie Melancon (La.) * (N) Senate hopeful voted no in November and no in committee. Likely no
Walt Minnick (Idaho) (N) One of the House's most conservative members. Firm no
Collin Peterson (Minn.) * (N) Ag chairman not shy in bucking leadership. Firm no
Mike Ross (Ark.) * (N) Voted for bill in committee, but not since. Firm no
Heath Shuler (N.C.) * (N) CNN reporting Shuler is a no. Doesn't hold his tongue when he opposes Democratic leaders. Critic of reconciliation
Ike Skelton (Mo.) * (N) GOP targeting his seat. Armed Services Committee chairman is a firm no
Bart Stupak (Mich.) * (Y) No deal with leadership on abortion = no vote on final bill for Stupak and other Democratic opponents of abortion rights
Gene Taylor (Miss.) * (N) Has been a firm no all Congress. Constituents last summer urged him to get others to vote no
Harry Teague (N.M.) * (N) Told The Hill that he will review bill to see if final bill brings costs down. If "we are in the same place — a no"
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:51 AM
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11. Wow, look at all those Blue Dogs...guess that means more anti-DK threads about to appear on DU. eom
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:52 AM
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12. There are a few liberals in there. I think they are more likely to move then the blue dogs.
DK, however, is not one of them. I am disgusted with the blue dogs, disappointed in DK.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:33 PM
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14. No - Actually NOT
Words mean things. Only 17 are Blue Dogs - that's not a majority of 37.

And by the way there are 54 Blue Dogs - less than 1/3 are voting no

Here's the REAL list

Altmire, Jason (PA-04)
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
Baca, Joe (CA-43)
Barrow, John (GA-12)
Berry, Marion (AR-01)
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02)
Boren, Dan (OK-02)
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03)
Boyd, Allen (FL-02)
Bright, Bobby (AL-02)
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18)
Carney, Christopher (PA-10)
Chandler, Ben (KY-06)
Childers, Travis (MS-01)
Cooper, Jim (TN-05)
Costa, Jim (CA-20)
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28)
Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA-03)
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04)
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02)
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08)
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)
Gordon, Bart (TN-06)
Harman, Jane (CA-36)
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD)
Hill, Baron (IN-09)
Holden, Tim (PA-17)
Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01)
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07)
Markey, Betsy (CO-04)
Marshall, Jim (GA-08)
Matheson, Jim (UT-02)
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03)
Michaud, Mike (ME-02)
Minnick, Walt (ID-01)
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05)
Moore, Dennis (KS-03)
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08)
Murphy, Scott (NY-20)
Nye, Glenn (VA-02)
Peterson, Collin (MN-07)
Pomeroy, Earl (ND)
Ross, Mike (AR-04)
Salazar, John (CO-03)
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47)
Schiff, Adam (CA-29)
Schrader, Kurt (OR-05)
Scott, David (GA-13)
Shuler, Heath (NC-11)
Space, Zack (OH-18)
Tanner, John (TN-08)
Taylor, Gene (MS-04)
Thompson, Mike (CA-01)
Wilson, Charles (OH-06)
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:51 PM
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16. Thanks. I assumed some of them were, Ike Skelton seems very conservative to me.
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 12:54 PM by Jennicut
Bart Stupak as well. Some of the reps are saying cost containment, abortion language is a hold up and are not officially blue dogs. I wonder how many are more liberal?
Some appear to be from the New Dem Coalition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrat_Coalition
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:42 AM
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2. That's the number that voted against it last time.
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 11:45 AM by ProSense
Some have switched to yes.

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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:45 AM
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4. not a large number of them though
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:46 AM
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5. It doesn't require a large number of them. n/t
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:48 AM
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7. I was half listening this time, but I think they said that 22 out of the 39...
are voting "yes"? But, according to Ed and David, it doesn't look good if this stretches into April... ~SIGH~.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:43 PM
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15. This is good, but...
does it offset the yeas from last time who have reversed due to the abortion language?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:48 AM
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6. Anyone else reporting this? Big Ed does tend to get excited.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:49 AM
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9. 39 DINOS...Doesn't surprise me at all...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:50 AM
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10. So I hope they have primary opponents. n/t
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:05 PM
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13. You must have meant against the health insurance bill.
There's nothing in Congress or the Senate right now about health CARE, only about INSURANCE.
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