Kucinich to announce his health care reform vote at 10:00 am tomorrow. Will he stick or flip?

[jefferson_dem]

Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) to announce his health care vote in a 10am news conference on Wednesday.
http://twitter.com/jamiedupree/statuses/10587585963

Will he stick or flip?

[babylonsister]

1. What's with the drama? I just don't understand. nt

[jefferson_dem]

2. I will give him the benefit of the doubt...this one time.

Perhaps he's calling the presser in order to qualify his "yes" vote.

I hope so, at least.

[goclark]

14. Let's hope the spotlight will make him vote yes

:shrug:

[DrToast]

3. Are you really surprised? He lives for the drama!

A press conference to announce a vote. Amazing.

[Raine1967]

34. I think you have a point.

I had not thought of that before now. Really -- I haven't.

As an aside, isn't he the Chairman of the 'Domestic Policy Subcommittee Oversight and Government Reform Committee'? Maybe he's using that position as a reason?

Maybe I am missing something here, but Kucinich is no Pelosi.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

4. Well, to be fair, people on the net started the drama.

Kucinich is merely living up to the role I guess.

[mkultra]

44. he started it with his "principled stand"

which will surely collapse once he gets what HE wants.

[Bumblebee]

8. he just so wants to feel important. Screw the rest, he is running for pres again in 2012!

[Ozymanithrax]

5. Kucinich will support Health insurance Exectuives and the GOP and vote No. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

48. Ummm...actually supporting the Insurance Execs and GOP would require a YES vote. eom

[Ozymanithrax]

50. By report, he is now voting yes, and rejecting his support of Health Insurance exectuives...

and the GOP.

My apology to Mr. Kucinich is below. It is good to know he is finally decided to put progressivism where his mouth is.

[Ozymanithrax]

49. Considering the report that Kucinich will vote for the Health Care bill.

I apologize Congressmen. It seems you do have principals, and you are showing them by voting for the most progressive bill since Medicare and Medicaid.

[impik]

6. He doesn't have the courage to do the right thing. He'll say his usual NO, and the purity army

will hold him, yet again, as some hero, while faking to be progressives.

[IndianaGreen]

7. He will vote for reconciliation. No one is voting for the Senate HCR bill. No one!

That's why Pelosi is using the "deemed passed" scheme, because she wouldn't have the votes otherwise!

[jefferson_dem]

10. What are you talking about?

I'm referring to the vote on health care reform. Drag your red herring word games somewhere else.

[IndianaGreen]

13. No one is voting on health INSURANCE reform!

There is going to be a vote on reconciliation, and once passed, a House rule will determine that the Senate abomination (aka HCR) will have pass as well.

Pelosi doesn't have the votes for the Senate bill, she has to come up with another way of passing it without an up-or-down vote.

[jefferson_dem]

15. Wowie. You really have bought into those crazy talking points, haven't you?

No worries. It will all be over soon. :hi:

[IndianaGreen]

18. Pelosi herself spoke about the "deemed as passed"

The White House hasn't issued any talking points about it, which may explain why you are unaware of Pelosi's words.

[Jennicut]

27. She has the votes for reconciliation (or is close) and wants the Senate to hold to their word.

This is simply a way to do that.

[IndianaGreen]

31. She doesn't have the votes for the Senate HCR--not the same thing as reconciliation

which is why she will use the "deemed as passed" to get 2 birds with one shot.

[karynnj]

36. The rule is in the reconciliation bill

That means they are simultaneously voting for that bill and the fixes.

[Thrill]

9. Isn't he the special one.

His own news conference and all

[IndianaGreen]

11. You all kiss blue dog ass, and kick progressive asses

Why don't you attack the assholes that got us into this mess of no single payer and no public option? They are the real enemy of the people!

[Thrill]

19. I do attack them.

[BlueIdaho]

12. Dennis will milk his moment in the spotlight for as much ego gratification as he can get.

Hey - he's not the first, and I doubt he'll be the last to bask in the limelight. Its what congress critter do.

[phleshdef]

16. Something tells me he has found some reason to vote yes now.

[DrToast]

24. A press conference to say "no" again would be pretty ballsy

[Cha]

28. ballsy

lame.

[dave29]

17. If he votes no, and damages our chances with PR stunt, his primary challenger gets $100

.

[Phx_Dem]

29. I'll match your $100. n/t

:thumbsup:

[ericgtr]

38. I can't match it but I'll still donate to his challenger

[mkultra]

41. im in for a C note.

[liquid diamond]

54. I'm with you. I live in California, but I'm sick of this guy's shit.

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[FrenchieCat]

32. I don't mean to laugh.......

But I can't help it! :rofl:

Sorry.

Although perhaps he will have the last laugh.....
and that might not be pretty!

So I'll stop now. (Frenchie sobbering up)

But that was funny! :rofl:

[ericgtr]

21. I thought he already announced it, what's the point of doing it again?

Unless it's to change his stance it's just grandstanding.

[FrenchieCat]

22. Of course he will say no. I don't expect great things......

It would take more courage to change his vote at this point.
I don't see that happening.

I'd like for him to prove me wrong,
but I'm not holding my breath.

[ericgtr]

37. But why announce it again? Glorification? nt

[kjackson227]

23. If he says yes, I think he'd be giving away too much information...

BUT, if he says no, then he'll get a lot of backlash from it (some might also say he's just grandstanding). I don't know at this point :shrug:

[Renew Deal]

25. More grandstanding

That's all he really ever does.

[Phx_Dem]

26. It's disgusting. What an ass.

[Lord Helmet]

39. he's inching into attention whore territory with this

[mkultra]

42. yup, at least hes cheap though

[Forkboy]

52. Sort of like telling gays you'll be their fierce advocate.

[Jennicut]

30. DK will not change his mind. Watch for the more conservative members.

Some are "undecided".

[mkultra]

43. he will cave like a wet napkin.

[Clio the Leo]

53. The man spent three hours stuck on a plane yesterday with Barack Obama....

... and had the President (essentially) CALL him out in front of his home district.

You know what the President said to Dennis? He said, "I want you to vote YES for this bill ..... are you picking up what I'm putting down?" ;)

[Kali]

flip

[Bluenorthwest]

33. I know that Dennis Kucinich supports equal rights for all

While Obama is against equality for some groups of people.
Dennis stands for equal rights and non discrimination, while Obama favors continued discrimination and inequality. It is that simple.
Some are unhappy that voices that support equality exist. They highlight the brittle and outdated voices of prejudice.
So you need to have a box for 'who do you trust' and 'who has earned that trust'. You need one for 'who has had surrogates slander your people' and 'who has stood always with your people'.

Some of us have memories longer than a news cycle. The enemies of Kucinich are momentary tantrum throwers who did not even think to run a Democratic opponent to him, for all their fury and frothing. The friends of Kucinich are friends he has earned long ago.

[Bitwit1234]

35. If he thinks he has gotten enough attention

he will probably vote yes. But if the democrats and the media haven't fanned his flame as much as he wants he won't. Talk about an egotist.

[mkultra]

40. he is grandstanding -- thus the news conference

he will flip as its not a principled stand.

[jefferson_dem]

45. I hope to hell you are right.

Kooch flips...

Which means he's not principled. :)

[Kali]

46. my reply to this has nothing to do with DK or even the HCR issue

principled people can, do, and should change their opinions/stands when new information indicates. It is not "principled" to blindly hold some position forever.

[liquid diamond]

56. Man, I can't wait to see the reaction from his supporters here.

"Dennis speaks for me! He has principles. We need more like him!" This place is going into meltdown if he supports this bill. :rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

47. On Countdown, Howard Fineman just reported Kucinich is doing the right thing - switching to YES!

:bounce:

[Clio the Leo]

51. He's definitely flipping....

.... otherwise, why would he hold a presser?

And the OTHER reason is IF he were going to make a BIG show of voting "no" .... the Dems and WH would be all over this. The President would hold a 10 press conference "to discuss my birth certificate!" or something that would draw attention AWAY from Kucinich.

Instead, we have the opposite. The only sound you'll hear at 10am tomorrow coming from the Democratic party will be Dennis' pledge to vote "yes."

The only way he's doing this with the plans of saying "no" is because he wants something from the WH and is using this threat as leverage.

[ShortnFiery]

55. I'm hoping against hope that he will stick with a resounding "NO." eom