Will Kucinich change his vote?

[mkultra]

Will he stand on principles or will he make a deal with the president and "decide" to vote yes?

[Forkboy]

1. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

If DK doesn't vote yes people like yourself will be lining up to rip him a new asshole for it. If he does change his vote people like yourself will be lining up to rip him a new asshole for flip flopping.

[IndianaGreen]

5. They hate him, and not the blue dogs, for what he represents

Dennis represents the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.

[Forkboy]

10. His existence highlights their cowardice.

"People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest."

-Herman Hesse

[mkultra]

6. Ill rip him a new one either way

Since i think his current move is pure grandstanding. Hes best move was to back progress instead of the status quo. When he caves, it will be proof even to his most ardent supporters that he was grand standing.

[Forkboy]

8. The defense rests.

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[IndianaGreen]

12. And if he votes No, you will be calling him a traitor

The man can't win with the appeasement wing of the Democratic Party.

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[mkultra]

19. we shall see

[mkultra]

21. yes, you have proven that i think he is grandstanding

nice work sherlock

[Forkboy]

24. No, I've proven, and you've admitted, that you'll complain either way.

Read for comprehension before calling someone else Sherlock, Sherlock.

[mkultra]

28. either way from this point forward

now if he had just voted yes to start with, he would be rip free.

[Forkboy]

29. I bet.

[mkultra]

34. bank on it. I liked DK until this crap started

When he pitched his tent with the obstructionists, it made me look twice at him. If his stance is so damn wobbly it just means he didn't put the necessary thought into this before he opened his mouth.

[dchill]

2. If he has to.

!

[mkultra]

7. what does that mean

either his stand is principled or it isn't.

[xultar]

3. He should vote for it and then use that as his platform to push fixes.

[FrenchieCat]

4. He should do what his constituents in his district want......

cause that is why he is there.

[Sebastian Doyle]

17. Isn't that what EVERYBODY in Congress should be doing?

My so-called "Democratic" congressman should take lessons from him.

[bigwillq]

25. Yeah, that's what everybody should be doing. But they don't.

But that's ok. Unless you're DK.

[ericgtr]

9. He either changes his (already well publicized) NO vote or it's grandstanding

Plane and simple.

[mkultra]

13. if he DOES change it, its proof of grandstanding.

the circumstances haven't changed so why should his vote.

[elocs]

15. In a recent DU thread I read a Kucinich constituent who likes and admires him admit

that he does grandstand.

I think he has good ideas, although I don't agree with all of them, but he is like the mouse that roared and seems to love attention. Lots of noise, but not much actually gets accomplished.

[gateley]

16. Boy, could you have worded it a little less judgmentally? He could still stand for his

principles and vote for HCR. I wouldn't for a minute think he all of a sudden didn't care about Single Payer or that he'd give up the fight. Jeez. I'll respect him no matter how he votes. I know his intentions are for the good of the people, and I would never presume to second-guess his motivation.

[mkultra]

18. sorry but your equivocating

He made it clear that he must vote no to stand on his principles. Since the bill hasn't changed since then, he must stick to his position or it will be proof that he is just grandstanding.

[gateley]

31. I still can't agree. People change their minds -- IF he votes Yes, he probably

has learned something or re-thought something that makes him feel he's doing the right thing. Just my opinion, natch, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt -- either way.

BTW, on KO/Lawrence O'Donnell right now they're intimating that they think he'll vote yes, otherwise why call a press conference?

What do you think he'll do?

And, does his vote really matter, numbers-wise?

[mkultra]

33. His vote does matter ...

as it takes all of us to make progress when the majority is this thin. I think he will cave and as glad as i am that he will, it also drains every bit of respect i have for him. If his stand was so principled, then he should be sticking to it.

[gateley]

35. Let's wait and hear what he has to say -- who knows? There might be a PO

in there somewhere. *crossing fingers*

[mkultra]

40. hey, if that happens, ill be twice as happy

[doc03]

20. Who knows? Whatever he thinks will give him the most

face time on TV.

[Azathoth]

36. Bingo n/t

[liquid diamond]

37. lol.

If he changes his vote to yes, most of his DU supporters are going underground (pun intended). Over the past few days they've been praising this guy like he was the second coming of Christ. So much for principles.

[Splinter Cell]

22. Fuck Kucinich.

[azmouse]

27. +1000

:thumbsup:

[IndianaGreen]

30. Since Pelosi is 16 votes short, by fucking Kucinich, she is now 17 votes short

Congratulations on winning hearts and minds!

[liquid diamond]

38. this.

I don't care what he says tomorrow. He's done enough damage already.

[dchill]

39. You are welcome to your opinion.

I sure don't want it.

[stray cat]

23. He will stick with his principles just like the GOP, Bush, and DLCers

many I disagree with follow their principles

[Sebastian Doyle]

26. Not possible

Repukes (including the DLC) have no principles.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. If he stood by his prinicples, he wouldn't be against HCR in the first place.

[mkultra]

41. and the chickens come home to roost

DK trades his "principles" for a giant does of attention and all the fanboys drop to their knees an adulation.

[Forkboy]

42. Stay classy.

[mkultra]

43. how does that crow taste?

[Forkboy]

44. Not eating any.

You can't cook, and DK did what I expected him to do. I also said on here months ago that I'd vote for it. So why would I be eating crow?

Like I said, you stay classy though. :rofl:

[mkultra]

45. will do ron burgundy

[LWolf]

46. I think he already said he was changing it. nt