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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:22 PM
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Last minute flare up on health care according to Sam Stein
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:37 PM
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1. The Chevy tax rears its ugly head again!
A dagger in the heart of union workers!
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:45 PM
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15. and a dagger to the heart of the entire middle class!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:41 PM
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2. Imperil the whole deal on a tax that takes effect in 2018?
Is he out of his mind?

With that kind of leadership, I'm not sure I trust his judgement in other areas. :wtf:

Here's the deal: everyone gets to have the Health Care Bill written exactly as they would like it, with one tradeoff: it never becomes law.

If you want it to become law, use an opportune moment to improve it and then be done with that.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:44 PM
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4. CBO gave a bad score to reconciliation, so they want to move the tax up!
And they also want to make it higher!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:51 PM
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13. And where did you get THAT tidbit?
IMWTK
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 08:02 PM
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14. CBO scoring was supposed to be released this afternoon. it wasn't.
No CBO Score Tonight, Excise Tax Negotiations Back On

The excise tax, the issue that essentially forced the sidecar reconciliation, is back as an issue as Congress tries to find a way to squeeze more savings out of the bill for the CBO without raising taxes on the wealthy or including a public option. The negotiations over this seem to be behind the delay.

On Wednesday, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka was called into an unplanned meeting at the White House to discuss late-stage negotiations on a proposed tax on high-end insurance plans. According to sources familiar with what transpired, congressional leaders had begun discussions earlier in the day (perhaps last night) about accelerating the tax's impact in order to produce more savings under the president's revised health care bill.

Under the president's plan, those families with health care plans over $27,500 and individuals with plans over $10,200 would be taxed starting in 2018. That tax would be indexed to the Consumer Price Index plus one percent, which would provide some additional comfort to those with high-end policies -- specifically for labor workers who had bargained for these plans.

The plan, however, got tripped up after congressional negotiators received poorer-than-expected feedback from the Congressional Budget Office, a senior Democratic hill aide confirmed. And as a compromise, on Wednesday, they began discussing indexing the tax simply to the Consumer Price Index.

"What the White House is putting out is not any big major changes to the deal," said a source briefed on the matter. "What they are talking about is the way things are right now the tax was indexed to CPI+1 and they want to change it to CPI general inflation."

The proposal isn't as bad as it could be, but it's still going back to the progressive well for yet another concession. Trumka is taking the proposal to his executive committee tomorrow. This could be the make or break for this latest iteration of the bill. The cuts to that rate were what brought a huge chunk of Dems back to the place where they could support the bill, so the question is will they take it now. On top of the loss of the public option and the inclusion of the almost-as-bad-as-Stupak Nelson abortion language, it would seem that, as Chris says, "a pound of flesh must always be taken from any left-wing group in order for any victory to be allowed."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/17/847284/-No-CBO-Score-Tonight,-Excise-Tax-Negotiations-Back-On

No CBO score Wednesday night; Saturday healthcare vote unlikely

By Jared Allen and Molly K. Hooper - 03/17/10 08:02 PM ET


House Democratic leaders on Wednesday night said the long-awaited Congressional Budget Office score of the reconciliation bill will not come out until Thursday, forcing an acknowledgement that a Saturday healthcare vote is likely off the table.

But leaders are still hoping for a score on Thursday, and are still preparing for a possible vote before the end of the weekend.

The release of a CBO score on Thursday – triggering the Democrats' 72-hour clock – would mean that voting on the reconciliation bill would “most likely happen on Sunday, if that scenario plays out,” Assistant to the Speaker Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) told reporters after leaving Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) office Wednesday night.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/87517-no-cbo-score-wednesday-saturday-healthcare-vote-unlikely
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:44 PM
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3. This looks like something that ought to be able to be worked out.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:02 PM
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5. I think it will be.
Having thee excise tax move from Consumer price index with general inflation instead of plus 1%. I think it is workable.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:04 PM
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6. nothing on Count Down YET about this
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:04 PM
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7. Keep us updated. I don't get MSNBC here, thanks to Comcast.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:24 PM
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9. Getting ready to go to work got to go supervise those inmates in prison
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:33 PM
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11. Is that your real job?!
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 07:33 PM by Jennicut
I give you credit. The father of one of my best friends when I was in high school was a prison warden. But the inmates really liked him and he became friends with them when they got out.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:14 AM
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17. yep thats my real job for 24 years I retire next year
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 09:04 AM
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18. You deserve a great retirement! I know it can be a tough job.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:23 PM
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8. It now is CPI plus 1%
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:32 PM
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10. I think they will move it to just general inflation now?
The question is, will it go over with the AFL-CIO?
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:47 PM
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12. Wish I could take a pill that would make me sleep until this was over with....
..... ugh.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:10 AM
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16. Sooooon
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:41 PM
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19. ?
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