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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:58 AM
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New GOP Spin: Health Reform Might Cut Deficits, but Not Enough
I almost feel sorry...meh, who the hell am I kidding? Suck it up, rethugs, sounds like there's no there there where your complaints are concerned, though this one sounds particularly weak. They pulled it out of somewhere.


http://washingtonindependent.com/79616/new-gop-spin-health-reform-might-cut-deficits-but-not-enough

New GOP Spin: Health Reform Might Cut Deficits, but Not Enough
By Mike Lillis 3/18/10 12:17 PM


By any objective measure, the $138 billion in deficit savings the Democrats’ health reform bill would rack up over the next 10 years (while extending coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans) is quite an accomplishment — particularly coming from a Congress not exactly known for paying all its bills.

But don’t try to convince the Republicans. After months of blasting the Democrats’ reform proposals for allegedly bankrupting the country with expensive new programs, Republicans now have a brand new message: The deficit savings aren’t enough to justify passing the bill. From The New York Times:

Republicans moved quickly to throw cold water on the claims, noting that government debt is piling up so fast that the health care legislation would barely make a dent. “Any projected savings over 10 years have already been wiped out five times over in just the first five months of the current fiscal year,” said Don Stewart, a spokesman for the Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

Mr. Stewart cited budget office data showing that the federal government had “incurred a budget deficit of $655 billion in just the first five months of fiscal year 2010.”


Mr. Stewart didn’t mention that their own multi-billion dollar health reform accomplishment of this decade — the creation of Medicare’s (unfunded) prescription drug benefit — has contributed no small amount to the nation’s budget crisis.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:01 PM
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1. WHat an exquisite sense of humor they have! n/t
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:07 PM
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2. Oh damn. I don't pay any attention to them. They played the same damn tune
when Clinton was first in office, then when the economy turned around, they were all griping about the gov't having too much of your money & they should NEVER run an excess! Of course they conviently forgot about all those baby boomers who were going to retire in the next few years!!!
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:08 PM
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3. LOL!!
Didn't I see a post or two around here that showed that the GOP plan cut the deficit at only half of what the Dems' plan does? I hope the Democrats are quick to call them out on this, but not going to hold my breath...
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:22 PM
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5. see my post below. eom
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:43 PM
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12. Oh they get called out on their lies and bullshit all the time
trouble is the MSM doesn't report it or focus on it or ask them about it or when they DO lie hold them accountable with the facts
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:21 PM
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4. Hold the presses. Here's the CBO estimates for the GOP plan:
From the Boner himself:

http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153130

House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement after the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) confirmed in a letter tonight that the Republican health care plan will lower health care premiums by up to 10 percent and reduce the deficit by $68 billion over 10 years without imposing tax increases on families and small businesses:


funny that.... the CBO estimates for the bill came in at 130 Billion for the first 10 years....
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:26 PM
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6. My first question: WHAT rethug health care plan? He's blowing smoke,
as usual.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:29 PM
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7. well there is THAT... :)
the hypocrisy is amazing.

He's a piece of work.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:29 PM
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8. 10%---that's new york state taxes on goods.
Meaning it's change. Screw them. 1.2 trillion over twenty years is a crazy number, and the 10 year plan is double that cost.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:30 PM
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9. you have to understand where these idiots get there talking points
from that fat boy on FOX NOISE he tells them what supposed to be selling in the FOX POLLS I forgot his name he also does focus groups
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:46 PM
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13. Lund is the name
and unfortunately he is good at what he does
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:50 PM
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14. Frank Luntz? That creep? I don't know how good he is, but with
a dearth of any other ideas at all, it works.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 06:52 AM
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16. Yeah, Luntz, sorry
he is quite often effective I think, which given what he is effective at and HOW he achieves that effectiveness is not something I exactly admire, but still....
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 05:03 PM
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15. they don't have to make sense, they just have to make noise and the National Media will amplify it
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:33 PM
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10. rush limpbaugh is their god and their brain..nuff
said.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:53 PM
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18. money talks
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:42 PM
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11. Well, well well. What else is new? The Rethugs led to the problem, then don't want to fix it and
then blame Dems for not doing enough to fix it. Being a Rethug = taking no personal responsibility and blaming others for your wrongs.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:31 AM
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17. LOL. How far they have fallen. Now they're agreeing that it cuts the deficit
after all! Looks like their strategy has collapsed from the weight of it's own bullshit.

:rofl:
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