They Are Starting To Regret This

[ProSense]

They Are Starting To Regret This

by NedSparks

They have been opposing the President since the inception of his administration. They have used every scare tactic in the book, and with the aid of the media and its glutton for drama, have turned even the most idiotic utterances into wasteful preoccupation. It has been obstructionism, obstructionism and obstructionism, and, according to the Associated Press, the GOP is set to triple the record for filibusters.

This is the difficult environment in which President Obama must operate, an entire political party committed to, not simply promoting a political ideology, but to make every effort possible to break, and bring him to ruin. This is such an effort that it has for the most part eclipsed all other concerns, be they those of the weak, the poor, the sick, or children.

As Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa, has said:

Republicans have filibustered legislation to provide low-income energy assistance, efforts to strengthen the Consumer Product Safety Commission to ensure our children are not exposed to unsafe toys, and efforts to ensure that women are guaranteed equal pay for equal work.

Regardless of the issue it is of little importance, for as Jim DeMint has stated in reference to the healthcare reform bill:

If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.

But they are starting to regret this.

Today I listened to the President, as he visited Virginia’s George Mason University and made an impassioned plea for the passing of the healthcare legislation. Suddenly, I recalled what his lead pollster, Joel Beneson, had said:

When it comes to health care and insurance, once reform passes, the tangible benefits Americans will realize will trump the fear-mongering rhetoric opponents are stoking today.

I believe Mr. Beneson will be proven correct, because during the President’s rousing rally I suddenly began to ask myself a few important questions: Did I just hear the crowd applaud enthusiastically at the President’s declaration of ending disqualifications based upon a pre-existing condition? I certainly did. Did I just hear them cheer when he told them that the bill would put an end to lifetime limits on coverage? It was loud and clear. And did I hear them scream when he told them that the plan will allow young adults to stay on their parent's insurance plan until age 26? It was resoundingly approved.

They are starting to regret this.

The Republicans have walked out on a ledge and are watching helplessly as it is being sawed off from behind them. They have no alternative but to put up a brave front and hope that they will prevail in the end, but as the historical resonance of this bill, which will represent a start in the overhaul of the American Healthcare system, is heard with increasing clarity, they will face the prospect of shame because of their disgraceful behavior.

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[Clio the Leo]

1. "Oh yeah! At Waterloo Napoleon did surrender!!!!"

Well THIS DUDE AINT NAPOLEON!!!!!!!!!!!

[bain_sidhe]

16. Their mistake was that they thought Obama was Napoleon

Turns out, he was Wellington.

[Ikonoklast]

25. Exactly so.

[FarLeftFist]

31. They've reached their lifetime cap on filibusters....

Any legislation Obama and congress brings to the table now that is immediately shot down by republicans will be looked at as further obstructionism from the GOP, they have their 'fool me once' crowd, but the public won't be so quick to be fooled twice. The media will turn on the republicans and their "waterloo" comment will just further prove the Dems point that the republicans are just fear-mongering neanderthal's who want the president to fail.

[AzNick]

30. Wellington, indeed

And HCR is his Waterloo.

[dmr]

43. Well, the Big O does have Irish roots!

Wellington, it is!

:)

[AwakeAtLast]

51. Yep, and the Repukes think Wellington is something to order off a menu

:D

[LiberalFighter]

77. There mistake is also that they thought it would be Obama's Waterloo...

when in reality it will be another Waterloo for the Republican Party.

[mopinko]

106. napoleon was the short guy.

read your history, dumbasses.

[lefty2000]

37. Antietam

It's not Waterloo, it's not Gettysburg. It's not the battle we wanted to fight, but it is the battle we have now. It is the battle we have to win.

[peacebird]

2. WHY would someone unrec this post?!? Good grief....

my rec has been erased....

[Clio the Leo]

3. Because it's KILLING FOLKS....

.... to know that Proey's right. ;)

[Kajsa]

102. There are people here who

continually unrec threads,
even before they read them.

It's their life's mission.

One of my friends here posted a thread
which got an unrec less than 10 seconds
after he posted it.

The OP took a few minutes to read through.

Hmm---

[Raine1967]

4. What they hoped would be a Waterloo

they are now hoping is their Alamo.

[Spazito]

5. LOL and Perfect!

:thumbsup:

[DCBob]

6. But be careful... a wild animal backed in a corner is very dangerous..

Some of these evil desperate Repukes are capable of anything.

[rufus dog]

17. Oh so true DC

This hits them at the core, that Gov't can't solve issues. They can not and will not let this go without a growling, biting and attacking like a rabid dog. The will need multiple kicks to the head.

[Barbara2423]

105. If the DEMS (base) not political leaders keep pressure on them

we will win.

[cilla4progress]

7. Not to FREAKIN' mention

what he's doing to stabilize international security, esp. with Al Quaeda, Taliban. They must be messing their pants.

[DCBob]

9. Indeed.. the GOPers talking points are sounding more idiotic by the minute..

President Obama has outdueled and outsmarted them.

[dkf]

8. I'm going to see something tangible? Really?

Promise?

[Cha]

22. No, not you...you'd have to

open your eyes and that ain't gonna happen.

[dkf]

56. My eyes are wide open.

You see the prices on health insurance companies? You should take a look sometime. Very illuminating.

[Aramchek]

63. it doesn't matter how wide your eyes are open if you're wearing blinders

[Roland99]

50. Oh, you'll see it alright. Everytime you look at your dwindling paycheck from higher ins. premiums

as the ins. company execs laugh at your dismay.

[prolesunited]

89. Perhaps you *personally* won't

but many, many other Americans will benefit. But, I guess they just don't count.

[grantcart]

10. This is being more clear by the day

For some reason Graham seems the most eager to find agreement on climate change and immigration.


What will happen however is that it will initiate an all out war within the Republican Party.

[TicketyBoo]

61. War with the Republican party?

What would you call what's already happening?

If the opposite of peace is war, well…

[annabanana]

96. (that was "within"). . . . n/t

[SoFlaJet]

11. Don't worry Pro Sense

they'll just end up taking credit for all the good stuff in the bill-you know like they did with Clinton's 22+ million job growth in the 90's

[cilla4progress]

12. Absolutely, can see that coming.

Even with HCR. Just watch them.

I think if this bill passes, new enthusiasm on the left will "activate the base," and get Dems - including our youth - re-engaged and optimistic.

[SoFlaJet]

13. and also just like they did

with stimulus $$$ in their districts even though they voted against it

[gravity]

24. Not a single Republican will vote for the bill

They wanted to pin it ALL on the Democrats. It isn't going to be that easy to spin compared to something that was bipartisan.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

14. May their regret go on forever...

How sweet it is.

[Bosso 63]

15. The republican base is aging shrinking, and becoming

crazier than a shit house rat.

[NJmaverick]

18. K&R

[Hutzpa]

19. K&R

:kick:

[clr]

20. I can see it now...

I live in California but my rep is a Repub. because (unfortunately) the area I live in heavily favors the GOP. I am willing to bet that a few years from now my rep will say something like this, "Since the passing of the health care reform,I helped provide affordable health care to our constituents." And of course voters are going to be grateful for HIS hard work. :eyes:

Then again, it's the Republican party, they like to take credit AFTER they oppose it (ex: Bobby Jindal and the stimulus check) so it shouldn't be shocking...just annoying.

[SoFlaJet]

26. Exactly clr

welcome to DU

[prolesunited]

91. Of course they will

It's certainly been the case with the stimulus bill. Time and time again, GOPers have been showing up for the photo ops on a bill that they voted no on. They vote no, but are more than willing to take credit when the money comes to their district.

[Cha]

21. There never was a more dispicable

obstuctionist opposition. Pres Obama reached out to them and all they did was whine and lie exponentially..includng the corporatemediawhores working overtime on catapulting the propaganda.

[Stumbler]

38. It still amazes me how effective that propaganda is though...

At the college I'm attending, I have had two classmates tell me that Obama hasn't been bipartisan enough... Incredibly frustrating.

[TicketyBoo]

62. You've seen Jay Leno

do "Jaywalking," haven't you?

Never underestimate the stupidity out there.

[Nothing Without Hope]

23. I believe real investigation would show truly massive corruption. These people were

bought and paid for by their corporate and/or foreign sponsors. All their votes are for the benefit of their real, secret sponsors, not for their constituencies. They will be well paid when they eventually leave office, and unless something fundamental changes, they will walk off scot-free. Observe Turkey;s "Denny Boy" Hastert and the others so clearly implicated in the treasonous cesspool exposed by Sibel Edmonds. Those investigations were shut down http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x524514
and these current GOP fat cats believe they are safe too.

Bought and paid for.

[Phx_Dem]

27. Republicans have screwed themselves big time.

The Republicans have walked out on a ledge and are watching helplessly as it is being sawed off from behind them.

This makes me think think of the Roadrunner cartoon with Wile Coyote standing on the ledge as Roadrunner saws it off. Beep beep!
:rofl:


Love this part from David Frum:

It‘s critical for everybody, and not just the President. It‘s critical for us on the Republican side, too. If this thing passes, there is going to be an accountability moment on the Republican side. We had a choice; do we negotiate and try to get some of our values in the bill? Or do we go for total defeat of the President and bet everything on that? I was one of those who said negotiate. That advice was rejected. We went for total defeat of the President. If he prevails, it is going to be a shutout of Republican views in one of the most important pieces of legislation ever passed in the United States.

[Omar4Dems]

57. Roadrunner never sawed it...Wiley always did it to himself

But the analogy still fits, doesn't it?
:rofl:

[Phx_Dem]

98. That fits even better! lol

Fools.

[ooglymoogly]

101. and besides...on a funnyer note, it is not beep beep

it is meep meep.

[thesquanderer]

97. The Republicans weren't really shut out

re: " If he prevails, it is going to be a shutout of Republican views in one of the most important pieces of legislation ever passed in the United States. "

Even though Republicans are not voting for it, many of their amendments made the cut. And of course, many liberal and traditionally Democratic ideas did not.

There are also elements of other Republican bills and proposals in there, including, I believe, some that had been port forth in the past by Bob Dole, and similarities to what Romney did in MA. And I think it still has the provision for buying insurance across state lines... which doesn't actually bother me, really, but it was something McCain argued for and Obama argued against in the debates.

[depakid]

28. LOL that is fucking hilarious! Republicans used the strategy to bring them back from the brink!

They were a pack of screaming loons about the be relegated to the fringe for a generation and now they're credibly talking about taking back the majority in the House and picking up 7-8 Senate seats!

Damn- I'll take those sorts of "regrets" any day.

[Ignis]

48. Exactly. All we had to do was blink and let them take the focus off the Bush years.

Now they get to frame the debate in the terms that the MSM loves...again!

:argh:

I swear, we learn nothing from our time as the minority party.

[quaker bill]

65. yes

and they were talking about putting McSame and Palin in the Whitehouse in 2008. Of course they say they are going to win, you don't raise much money by predicting defeat for your party.

Predicting and doing are two very different things. I predict that HCR will only be an issue for the more radical portions of their base. The rest of us will have moved on to other things by November. The other things will include a recovering economy.

[AlinPA]

86. I think they are very confident now and certainly not regretting anything. They have the media on

their side, almost completely with broadcast (TV, radio).

[ChicagoSuz219]

29. I keep warning people not to underestimate the President...

...&, still, they don't believe me... LOL

[sabrina 1]

32. What is news about this? Did Obama really believe that

torture supporters and genocide supporters could be reasoned with?

So, assuming he's not a stupid man, why did he cater to them? Why did he abandon his base in favor of these radical loonies?

He and those Democrats who gave in to the every whim of the minority while ignoring the majority of the American people will be fully responsible for what they do. Not much point talking about it now, the damage is done. He has handed them a weapon which of course they will use against Democrats in the future.

When you negotiate with people like that, there is no point in whining about it later. They WILL turn this to their advantage.

Otoh, if he had applied the law and the Constitution to the criminal acts committed by them over the past decade, they would have no credibility. By 'moving on' and forgetting those crimes, he has given them credibility.

I'm not sure what this article is supposed to prove, other than the fact that by abandoning the principles of the party he belongs to in order to try to placate them, nothing was accomplished. Not one Republican vote for a bill which, as he said himself, has 'a lot of their ideas in it'!! And that's what's wrong with it. It's a Republican bill. But Republican policies are not popular, so they let Democrats do the dirty work this time. They should take credit for it. Mandated insurance with fines? That is a Republican idea so yes, they can take credit for it. Along with subsidies, tax payer dollars, instead of going directly to real healthcare, now passes through the hands of Big Insurance and doesn't get to the people who need it, until the Insurance companies take their profits from it first. Another great Republican idea. What a windfall for them. Dems beat the Republicans in catering to Big Business this time.

When the bill goes into effect and the people realize what it actually is, Democrats would be wise to let them take credit for this bill, which is approved of by only one third of the American people. I don't think Republicans WILL want to get credited with it, but they won't rescind most of it as it is, as everyone knows, the bill they WISH they could have passed, but would have never been able to get it done with their popularity as low as it was after eight years of Bush. It was the Democrats turn to service the real bosses of this country and they did a magnificent job. Definitely earned their money.

[defendandprotect]

40. Agree overall . .. but Obama made private deals with insurance/pharm long, long ago . . .

Pre-negotiation pretenses --

It was all fakery . .

the only difference is when Cheney made private deals with energy industry,

we disdained him -- DU'ers understand what that was all about!

Now that the Corporate-Obama has been revealed, they want to look away --

Even worse, they want to proclaim something which Howard Dean proclaims is

"NOT health care reform" and which he says is a "Romney-type-bill" is something

to be glorified.

How do they ignore that privately, long ago, Obama promised them there would be

"NO GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE PLAN"? PLUS, the private deal with Big Pharma!

Many average Republicans would also like to see MEDICARE FOR ALL -- there would

have been a huge response to such a plan if Obama had acted honestly, morally and

sensibly!

Really, really sad --

:)

[Grassy Knoll]

33. Rush Limbaugh hats now available at fox dot com.......

[FarLeftFist]

34. No one is this good at chess. Could it be?

[defendandprotect]

35. Let's pretend it's only the GOP attacking OBAMA-care!!!

GOP wants NO CARE --

Left/Progressive DEMS want MEDICARE FOR ALL --


And, in fact, evidently many average Republicans want MEDICARE FOR ALL --


Kinda juxtaposes with the lying of the US Catholic Bishops about what Catholics want!!

Which, btw, is government run health care -- which includes reproductive services --

CONTRACEPTION and ABORTION.

On close look, we can see why so much lying goes on --

the corporations would be right down the sewer with all of capitalism if anything sane

and moral was actually going on in this country!

[CBR]

36. And that 3% of "liberals" nt

[defendandprotect]

41. Don't understand your comment -- try again . .

[paulk]

73. he's saying that the number of liberals who oppose this bill

is only 3% and can be safely thrown under the Obama bus...

Personally, I think the larger number of liberals who "support" this bill aren't doing it because they think it's good legislation, they're doing it because they realize it's the best they're going to get out of this administration. The real question is how many of these people are going to show up to vote in November, or if their disgust with Obama's centrist drift leads them to sit the next election out.

[defendandprotect]

109. Would be interesting to see what those who support it think they're actually getting . . .

Well, we'll be waiting to 2014 to find out -- maybe 2017?

And there will be two elections before then!

If GOP retake power, they can distort health care even further!

I disagree that this is automatically the "best" we'd get out of the administration ...

this wasn't really put to a test where Americans came out into the streets to support

what they really wanted -- MEDICARE FOR ALL.

Guess they were waiting for the Dems/Obama to invite them to a rally or something?

Also agree that much more than this right wing bill is going down . . .

The bad news re Obama/DLC-Rahm is piling up --

Don't know if anyone will actually switch to third parties -- but in MA they simply

stayed home, I think? What if all liberals/progressives stayed home in 2010 and 2012?


And, IMO, there was a power shift here in the sense that Obama/Rahm are making insurance

and Big pharma even wealthier and stronger opponents of real health care and the concept

of health care as a human right!


One of the final PS's on this health care thing is Kucinich seemed to be echoing that

the real deal was that "We couldn't have Obama's presidency delegitimized!" --

Evidently, that was what was echoing in his mind after his meeting with Obama --

Meanwhile, I thought what we were all fighting for and trying to win was real health care

for Americans!

Sad --

Now -- back to worrying about $500 trillion in derivatives!!

:evilgrin:

[freddie mertz]

39. They regret nothing.

They have no conscience/

[AlbertCat]

49. They regret nothing.

I agree.

They actually think a majority is behind them. They have chosen to forget the election. They think they are right. They are in la-la land.

[D23MIURG23]

71. Very good point . Regret requires introspection.

They are the anointed of jesus on a holy crusade to stop the evil/black/nazi/socialist/kenyan president from turning America into satanic welfare state. Somehow I don't see introspection fitting into that mission statement.

Much like the Bush administration and the contract on America douchebags before them, they will be in political free-fall before they even notice the precipice, and then they will blame their problems on being insufficiently blunt and forceful (not "conservative" enough).

[MissDeeds]

99. Exactly

In a truly just world, they would find themselves in need of the very programs they oppose.

[defendandprotect]

42. Pre-existing condition for adults ends 4 years from now . . .2014 . . .

[ProSense]

44. Wrong

There is a restriction period followed by the tactic being outlawed.

Sec. 2301. Insurance Reforms. Extends the prohibition of lifetime limits, prohibition on rescissions, and a requirement to provide coverage for non‐dependent children up to age 26 to all existing health insurance plans starting six months after enactment. Starting in 2014, extends the prohibition on excessive waiting periods to existing health plans. For group health plans, prohibits pre‐existing condition exclusions in 2014 (for children, they are prohibited starting six months after enactment), restricts annual limits beginning six months after enactment, and prohibits them starting in 2014. For coverage of non‐dependent children prior to 2014, the requirement on group health plans is limited to those adult children without an employer offer of coverage.

PDF

5. ENDS RESCISSIONS—Bans insurance companies from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Effective 6 months after enactment.

<...>

12. IMMEDIATE HELP FOR THE UNINSURED UNTIL EXCHANGE IS AVAILABLE (INTERIM HIGH‐RISK POOL)—Provides immediate access to insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre‐existing condition ‐ through a temporary high‐risk pool. Effective 90 days after enactment.

PDF

[defendandprotect]

46. Adults Pre-Existing Condition ends 2014 . .. read what you posted . . .

For group health plans, prohibits pre‐existing condition exclusions in 2014 (for children, they are prohibited starting six months after enactment)

Also see Gibbs' acknowledgment today --



Meanwhile . .

IMMEDIATE HELP FOR THE UNINSURED UNTIL EXCHANGE IS AVAILABLE (INTERIM HIGH‐RISK POOL)—Provides immediate access to insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre‐existing condition ‐ through a temporary high‐risk pool. Effective 90 days after enactment.


This is again more labeling and branding of American citizens into a tier-system --

"high risk pool" -- with no guarantee that the insurance would be affordable -- and/or

not "junk insurance."

Just lift the ban entirely if anything meaningful is to happen --

Oh, might hurt the feelings of the insurance companies --

or break some other private deal Obama has made with insurance companies?

Too bad --


DU'ers well understood the dangers of private deals with corporations when Cheney was

making them -- we disdained Cheney for that!

This is the same thing --

Private deals with insurance and big pharma!

Sucks!

[ProSense]

47. No, maybe you should read it again. n/t

[defendandprotect]

55. What part of "Adults in 2014" don't you understand?

[Fruittree]

60. For heaven's sake!

It seems to say the restrictions on limits start soon then are totally prohibited in 2014. Doing nothing means things go on as they are no change in 6 mos., no change in 4 years and we make no progress toward universal coverage and reining in the insurance companies - How is that better?? And please don't bring up single payer because that isn't currently on the table. With the political environment as it is, we need to try to strengthen Obama's hand not weaken him.

[Change Happens]

68. +1

[defendandprotect]

78. "Seems to say" . . . ???

For children --

Nor adults the restrictions end in 2014 --

EXCEPT in the interim they get thrown into a "high risk" pool --

Does this sound to you like anything to do with Universal Health Care --

every American treated equally --??

It's a tiered system, still allowing "gaming" --

Branding American citizens as "poor" and "less poor" and "near poor" --

with INCOME TESTING which the GOP has been trying to use on Medicare and

Social Security!


Wake up!

[Change Happens]

67. This is wrong...High risk people will be able to buy a policy

to carry them to 2014.

[defendandprotect]

79. They will be permitted to buy "junk insurance" at rates which may be unaffordable . . .

for them -- !!!

Does that sound to you like anything to do with Universal Health Care for

all Americans -- everyone treated equally, everyone in, no one out?

It's a tiered system of labeling -- INCOME TESTING which the GOP has long

wanted to apply to Social Security and Medicare!

Wake up!

[Lifelong Protester]

45. I'm with you prosense

we need to govern now, as we elected you to do.
And yes, we need a win, to get the ball rolling.

[gateley]

52. Love this:

The Republicans have walked out on a ledge and are watching helplessly as it is being sawed off from behind them.

:rofl:

[Bodhi BloodWave]

64. Why do i have this wierd feeling

that atleast some of the republicans would be chiding those sawing on HOW they are doing it, since they are obviously doing it wrong :p

[thesquanderer]

53. But people won't see many of these benefits until AFTER the next election (n/t)

[defendandprotect]

80. AFTER two elections, actually . . . 2010 and 2012 . . .imagine GOP in control of this program!!

[FrenchieCat]

81. You are incorrect in your assessment.

period.

[Scurrilous]

54. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Puzzler]

58. What have the GOP actually filibustered?

I know there have been threats, but I don't recall seeing any actual GOP filibusters. I think some of the blame lies on the Dems' side... they should have called the GOP's bluff, and let them make asses of themselves by reading the phonebook, or whatever. The media likes a spectacle and would have had a field day with this.

[jeff47]

75. You misunderstand the filibuster

The modern filibuster is nothing like the movies. You don't have to get up and talk the bill to death. All you have to do is have one of your 41 supporters sitting in the chamber and have them object when the chair moves to end debate.

[davidthegnome]

59. I don't think its time to gloat just yet

Lets wait and see if this bill passes, first. Despite my misgivings, I want it to go through in the hopes that we can make improvements as the years go on. There's things in it that are good, things in it that aren't so good... ultimately, I just hope it helps more than it hurts. If the bill passes - and we see tangible benefits in the next couple years, then will be the time to gloat. It's still too early to tell.

I'm surprised that I'm surprised no republicans are voting in favor. But I am - I figured at least one or two of them would either want to earn points with the President, or could believe this bill was a worthwhile cause to help Americans. What we're seeing instead are the rabid, feral actions of these tea party lunatics. Perhaps it's time to do something that would be equally infuriating to them. At least this bill will piss them off if it passes.

[Rozlee]

70. That really shocks me, too

Talking about the country being polarized is one thing. Seeing it so obviously is another. I don't see how such a small minority like the Teabaggers could hold so much power. How did the Republican party get to the point of having such a pure concentration of lunatics? I remember actual moderate and even liberal Republicans of the past both in power and as aquaintances. Now, they're all Moony zombies. I just hope that these Teabagging lunatics send Rethugs so far over to the right, that the rest of the country recoils away. That scene with the Parkinson's victim has them scrambling. At least on the "regular" news channels. My winger sister, who watches Faux, didn't know anything about it, and I haven't seen anything about it either on their website. Figures Faux News wouldn't carry it.

[defendandprotect]

84. The T-baggers are simply more fakery like everything else the right wing does . . .

from FAKED fascist rallies to stop the vote counting in 2000 --

to faked protests over "socialist" health care!

They faked the right wing religious movement -- funding it --

GOP gave the start up funds for the Christian Coalition --

Scaife financed Dobson's organization -- Other wealthy Republicans financed Bauer's organization --


We faked the Taliban/Al Qaeda --

We shipped the violent Muslim textbooks in the ME in order to spread violent concepts of

Islam!!

NY Times and Washington Post are completely ignoring anti-war demonstrations but playing up

T-baggers -- if you watch TV, you're watching rw propaganda in the main.

Rachel just did a story last night on how T-baggers are dwindling!!


We have had stolen elections for decades -- large and small computers began coming in during

the mid-and-late 1960's ... just about the time we were passing the Voting Rights Act!

Coincidence?

Was there ever a "Southern Strategy" or was there only ever vote stealing by GOP?

Was that the big secret of Watergate?

[defendandprotect]

82. There will be NO further improvements on this "as the years go on" . .!!!

This bill will do great harm to an already seriously injured American population --

the ill and those paying for this crap --

But, our politicians will do well -- no matter a D or an R --

I didn't have any great expectations of Obama, but I seriously didn't think he go this low!

Keep in mind the entire year of pretend "negotiation" has all been farce --

Obama made PRIVATE DEALS with Big Pharma and PRIVATE DEALS with the insurance companies

and promised them that "THERE WOULD BE NO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE PLAN" -- !!!

And you don't feel betrayed by that?


Meanwhile, DU'ers certainly smelled the BS when they knew that Cheney was making private

deals with big energy companies!

Evidently, Obama's BS smells better because he has a "D" after his name???

[Change Happens]

66. They stopped Clinton, then he moved to the right - Obama defeats them now, THEY all move left and

start voting with him? Some/few of them will and you know it, including Scott Brown of MA!

Stick it to them Mr. President!

[defendandprotect]

85. You've got it upside down . . . Obama has moved to the extreme right with this bill . . .

and everything now will shift even further to the right --

[randr]

69. Telling comment I heard yesterday

There is no way that every republican district is against this bill. They know it and they find themselves on the wrong side of history once more.

[paulk]

72. we will know come November

whose Waterloo this was...

[trocar]

74. Welcomed?

I guess I have a bit of trepidation about thinking everyone will come to the realization how wonderful the passage of the bill will be. Remember Cheney's infamous "We'll be welcomed as liberators" (something like that) at the onset of the Irag war? I know the bill will be a good first step, but we are a nation of immediate gratification and a lot of this happens over time. I think this will continue to be a hard sell and need patience, I'm going to do everything I can to help sell it to everyone I know.

[stubtoe]

76. Repubs ALWAYS overplay their hand.

Every time. You have to wonder how many self-inflicted blows to the head it takes to get them to learn that.

[AlinPA]

83. I don't see any evidence or indication that republicans are regretting anything (maybe

the DailyKos article does, but I can't read the 2nd part of the story).
Things are really getting more strained than ever politically in this country and people are going berserk. We are getting teabagger type emails calling Obama a socialist, a communist, all kinds of racial ugliness, the works - from people who we have been friends with for a long time. I can't believe some of them are doing this. Fox "news" has people going nuts.

[defendandprotect]

88. Isn't Daily Kos over . . .?

If you still watch TV -- other than Olberman, Rachel, Schultz -- you might think

things are going nuts --

Much of it is Right Wing farce --

Keep in mind that the only way the right wing can rise is by political violence,

assassinations -- stolen elections -- lies, deception.

And keep in mind that the voting computers began to come in during the late 1960's

... just about the time we were passing "The Voting Rights Act" --

Was there ever a "Southern Strategy" or was there only ever stolen elections?

[AlinPA]

93. The republican party has fired up their base into extreme anger through Fox "news" and IMO, we are

getting dangerously close to them actually engaging in as you wrote "political violence, assassinations --"

"stolen elections -- lies, deception" is SOP for them and has been for as long as I can remember.

[Turborama]

87. K&R They want this to fail because they want President Obama to fail

Regardless of the consequences.

As I was saying in MzMolly's reassuring http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7961114#7961162">HCR poll thread, John Boehner said as much right after the election results came in. I can't find a video of it but I remember clearly his first reaction was that the Republicans will do everything in their power to make sure President Elect Obama fails. Limbaugh made a similar announcement and the Republican propaganda machine that is Faux news have done/are doing everything they possibly can to make this come true.

[defendandprotect]

90. Rather than worrying about Obama's political ass. ... how about worrying about

the actual health of citizens, how we compare with other nations, and how much

harm this faux health care deform is going to do!

Amazing -- people here worried about the Obama presidency!!! Wow!!

Evidently, that's been the big line -- the fear that "Obama's presidency could be delegitimized" --

Kucinich was evidently sold that bit of crap --

:rofl:



MEDICARE FOR ALL would have protected the Dems and Obama for the next 40 years --

Obama selling himself out to the insurance companies and Big Pharma long ago --

promising that there would be 'NO GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE SYSTEM' -- See NY Times report/DU -

sure sounds like betrayal to me --

and certainly not a presidency that I care to "protect" -- !!! Wow!!!


:eyes:

[rasputin1952]

92. This will pass...

I don't know exactly what the final bill will look like, but I do know it is a foundation to be built upon.

We cannot build anything without a foundation, to do nothing, is to ensure that more people will get tossed into the gutter, disease that is treatable and death that will follow in some cases, will rise dramatically. To do nothing, to "hold out" for "perfection", is to condemn people to misery and death. We are better than that, far better. I will not allow the GOP, or some D's to ensure the illness and death of others when something can be done now, and built upon later.

Progress does not mean everything in one fell swoop, it means moving to a better end...we need to move forward, that is what this is about.

It would be better if there were some applications that were dropped, and others added...but that isn't going to happen right now. There is time to build on the foundation, it is imperative that we start, then work to make things better.

[Autonomy]

94. Obama is about to step into Greatness

like the great American presidents before him. Some, like FDR, have stepped into Greatness like a suit and cape. Some, like LBJ, have stepped into Greatness like stepping into dogshit on the sidewalk. We shall see how Obama wears his Greatness... but the commonality is that conservativism is always on the wrong side of history.

[craigmatic]

95. It depends on if the public remembers by this fall. It also depends on if

the repubs try to associate themselves with these causes after the bills pass like they did trying to portray themselves as the protectors of medicare during the summer. In reality, alot of dems could still lose seats this fall based on local issues.

[tclambert]

100. Sawed off a ledge?

You're torturing your mixaphors there.

[WeekendWarrior]

103. And this, of course, has been O's plan all along.

Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves right before November....

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[Number23]

107. What the..??! A thread posted by Prosense is at the TOP of DU's greatest page?!

Holy ****!!!! And wait... it's not critical of the President and actually acknowledges the massive and astounding wall of obstructionism, closed-mindedness and stupidity that he has to encounter every single minute of every single day??? Unreal!

Man, I take a few days off from this place and all heck breaks loose! Could this be the beginning of a turning point around here?? Nah, who am I kidding...

Kicked and rec'd anyway!

[kestrel91316]

108. Obama is an astute study of Gandhi:

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”