The health insurance industry is a parasite that serves no purpose

[dkf]

And they are gatekeepers to medical care. Do you realize that is one of the stated functions of the primary care physician model? Gatekeepers.

Think about that.

Richard Nixon loved the private insurance model because corporations can make money by limiting access to health care.

The insurance companies and doctors have made it impossible to get healthcare without paying a substantial percentage of your income regularly and in perpetuity. And your government instead of solving this problem aids and abets this insanity.

We have shown we are incapable of solving the big problems with any common sense. It's only going to get worse.

[glowing]

1. Sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better... AND this bill will

either work, improve, or cause an uprising like the D.C. fools have never seen.. Once its mandated, and doesn't work.. people will get pissed. As of now, many cannot afford the premiums or deductibles with their plans or lack of plans. Its an option. Once mandated and still unable to access health care, it will get ugly and fast.

[dave29]

2. until you have an actual parasite, like the food poisoning my wife got last night.

We were up all night, almost to the emergency room.

Just sayin

[HughMoran]

3. SSDD

[Lorien]

8. So I guess that we can count on your participation to improve the bill once it passes?

I thought not.

[HughMoran]

11. Absolutely

I will be fighting tooth and nail to improve healthcare from now until the day I die.

[Cha]

20. Shows what you know.

[HughMoran]

26. Please acknowledge your mischaracterization

I do not appreciate your statement. Apologize.

[Cha]

9. Oh, you'd better believe the

there's a lot more where that came from. That Poor horse just thinks its DEAD.

[okieinpain]

55. oh crap! n/t.

[okieinpain]

54. love it. n/t.

[salguine]

4. Your elected representatives don't care about helping you. And when your government

is against you, what options do you have left? Until the people of this country start feeding these parasitic health care kingpins into the guillotines, this will simply continue.

[Fla Dem]

5. Until there is a public, massive uprising by the left, insurance companies are here to stay.

For some reason the left does not seem able to pull together the huge numbers of people for demonstrations the way the right does. If all the people that went to Obama's inauguration, marched on Washington for a public option, or universal health care, or medicare for all, last year when this started, the direction this bill took would have been a whole lot different. But the Democrats let the rethugs frame the message without so much as a whimper. We should have been the ones going to Republican town Hall meetings telling them to get out of the pockets of the ins. companies, telling them they wouldn't be elected if they didn't vote for the bills. But we didn't. Oh maybe a few committed dems did, but not in the numbers that showed up for the right. We talk a good game, but we don't follow through.

[maxsolomon]

58. the numbers against the iraq war far outnumber anything the right has astroturfed

but it didn't matter for jack.

"the left" and the democratic party are not the same thing.

[treestar]

22. this country is not that desperate

"feeding to the guillotines?" :wtf:

Let's go too far and undermine all credibility, shall we?

[PolNewf]

6. Be smart

Next step add a limited public option. We already know the public option is fairly popular with the general public and it would be easier to sell on it's own without all the other pieces for Republicans to pick apart and after all the current hyperbole passes.

Perhaps Obama adds it to his 2012 platform.

Next step would be to open it up to everyone as an option and let the people choose. Perhaps your 2016 candidate's platform.

Seems plausible enough to me.

[dkf]

13. Obama promised the hospitals no public option.

It's a pipe dream think it will happen while he is President.

And to expose this and yell and scream about it will be to undercut Obama.

We didn't realize it but this is the deal we made when we elected a compromiser.

[HughMoran]

14. Can you provide a solid source for that statement?

Not a second-hand comment from a staffer - can you provide proof of that statement please?

[dkf]

16. "I did not campaign on a public option"

Straight from the man himself.

Do we have evidence of the deal with phrma? No but everyone has reported it.

[HughMoran]

17. That's not related to what you said

Please provide a solid source for your statement that he promised hospitals "no public option".

[dkf]

23. Please provide evidence Obama made a deal with phrma too right?

I guess that doesn't exist either.

Look these backroom deals are all verbal and secret and hush hush. That is the point of it because it is damning

We have a NYT source for this. That is pretty much gold standard for news orgs.

Also there have been numerous reports that the white house isn't supporting the public option and the senate has the votes and could push it over the top if only Obama supported it.

Get your head out of the sand. Use those brain cells. Geez.

[HughMoran]

24. Please provide a solid source for your statement that he promised hospitals "no public option".

Stop saying "look over here" and back up what you said...

[mkultra]

38. he cannot because its a lie. He is an industry plant.

[PolNewf]

18. I'll accept that without any evidence and say so what

Use them and their greed until you don't need them anymore.

[Lorien]

7. Since the bill does little to nothing to curb health insurance costs

then the issue can potentially be our Nation's economic undoing. If you managed to keep your house during the first wave you'll be forced to decide between paying your mortgage and paying whatever the health insurance corps demand that you pay, because by law you'll have to send them their blood money. They won't be forced to pay your claims, so those still have the potential to bankrupt you, as do prescription costs. People foolishly fear "terrorists" when the health insurance lobby is actually a far greater threat to American security.

[democrattotheend]

53. That's BS and you know it

There's a hardship waiver to the mandate. Nobody is going to lose their house paying for premiums. You sound like a teabagger.

[totodeinhere]

57. The way these things usually work, the so-called hardship waiver will be so hard to apply for that

most people won't even bother. It will take a mountain of paperwork to fill out and you will almost have to be a Harvard lawyer to figure it out. As usual, it's only smoke and mirrors. The big health insurance and drug companies made sure that their clients in Congress made it that way.

[denimgirly]

10. It's good to be Canadian.

THank goodness cuz this thing is out of hand.

[HughMoran]

12. You're Canadian?

Interesting....

[eridani]

42. Fucking A! I checked out the landed immigrant thing

Too many points taken off for age, unfortunately.

[Aramchek]

15. is this the best you can do?

pitiful

[treestar]

19. A business like any other

There is no point in calling others "parasites" - you could be one.

Not everyone can get a job as a teacher or a fireman, are all of the rest of us "parasites?"

I hate the idea that some people are more worthy than others based on job description. We are all part of society and the attempt to create new hierarchies of those who are better and more needed than others is old fashioned.

[Cha]

21. +1

[dkf]

25. Hmm you work for a health insurer do you?

Figures.

[Cha]

30. You have no argument ..just more doom and gloom.

[Donnachaidh]

32. tee hee

:rofl:

[dkf]

39. Avoiding the question yes?

I used to be on your side. Preserve the health insurance jobs I would scream. What else will they do? You can't displace thousands of workers and turn it into single payer.

But the more I learned about health care insurance and companies the more I decided I was wrong. And then to read in this health care bill that I will be subject to 3 times the premium in my old age if I am lucky enough to retire before Medicare I realized that costs need to be cut. Health insurance jobs are a luxury that the rest of us can't afford.

I have now become a single payer public option advocate.

Where has your analysis led you?

[eridani]

44. Claims will still need processing, and the government could mandate NO outsourcing

That would help with the jobs problem. Just doing the paperwork, with no power to deny claims, is useful.

[dkf]

47. If it were standardized and computerized that would cut processing by a lot.

I never got why competition makes things more efficient when it just adds more plans to learn about

[eridani]

48. Yes, it would. But any remaining jobs could be mandated to stay in the US n/t

[treestar]

34. Make my very point. What work do you do then?

And is anyone who works for an insurer supposed to bow down to you as superior? That's what irks me. We all do what we can to make a living. You're trying to set yourself up as better and inherently more valuable than other people, which always annoys me, be it claims of being superior race or claims to being more important due to military service, etc.

[dkf]

41. I work in a job necessitated by the laws that protect

people's retirements and benefits.

If the republicans got their way and got rid of regulations and protections then I would do something else.

[eridani]

45. People can't help having to work for scumbags to stay alive

That wasn't the point, which is that some jobs actively harm other people.

[donco6]

27. Wow. That explains a lot. n/t

[treestar]

35. So what do you do for a job?

I'm sure I can find a way to call you a "parasite."

[Donnachaidh]

31. on the eve of the greatest gift our government could to a parasitic

corporate cartel -- you're complaining about labels? :rofl:

Just *think* of all the job security! And all the overtime!

[treestar]

36. What job do you hold?

Sorry it's so "republican" for people to set themselves up as better than others - calling any other group "parasitic" presupposes that.

There are a zillion claims adjusters out there, so they're all "parasitic?"

You're taking yourself way too seriously.

Wouldn't government employees also be "parasitic" then, if they push paperwork to decide who gets a government benefit?

[Donnachaidh]

49. oooh -- touched a nerve did we?

Where in god's green earth did I say I was *better* than you?

Congrats on outing yourself as an insurance employee -- I was wondering just how many phony *enthusiasts* for this bill were actually employees of the cartel that *hated* this bill. Kind of takes the wind out of all the PC lies about how much the insurance companies hate this bill when their employees haunt democratic boards screaming for it's passage.

Integrity. A lost American value....

[donco6]

37. LOL! No kidding.

She's about to be overwhelmed with new clients and still finds time to whine.

[eridani]

43. In the case of insurance companies, the term applies

They take your money and deny you care whenever possible. They are legally allowed to commit mass murder.

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[The Magistrate]

28. Very True, Ma'am

[Donnachaidh]

29. and they are given the IRS to strongarm the weak and the poor in this country

CHAINS we can believe in -- YAY!

wait, what....

[Odin2005]

33. K&R. For-Profit Healthcare is an oxymoron.

[BreweryYardRat]

40. Sometimes you can't get rid of a parasite all at once.

Like those African wireworms where you have to extract it by slowly pulling it out over several days.

This bill is a long way from ideal, but it's the first tug.

[eridani]

46. Feeding the parasite a trillion dollars helps to extract it? n/t

[avaistheone1]

51. It will only empower the monster.

[paulk]

52. my biggest fear is that this bill, instead of being an incremental

step in the direction of single payer (or at least a public option), will instead be the foundation for the exact opposite - a hammerlock for the health insurance industry and it's control over our healthcare.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

56. As I have noted elswhere --

If anyone thinks that the Industry is going to let tens of millions of new customers and billions of tax payer dollars be taken from them any time soon, they are simply nuts. :crazy:

[LatteLibertine]

59. Patience

mark my words they will eventually be dismantled. President Obama won't come out and flatly state that however I believe it to be a long term intention.

We need to get pushing for Alan Grayson's Medicare buy-in bill.

[Divine Discontent]

60. In tight races, laugh when they yell about this bill & say 'you mean the one that has over 200 GOP

amendments, and is very similar to GOP plans? That bill?"


We didn't get Single Payer/Medicare-for-All, so their own party is the one to assign any blame you have about this bill, because if you knew what you were talking about you'd know most GOP officials were for laws against pre-existing conditions, children's health, and McCain even wanted to tax your health care plans'.


This is essentially the same bill that Mitt Romney put into place in Mass. Which he now says about this bill, it shows Obama's abuse of power. LOL

Sorry GOP, you can't lay this one entirely on the Dems to try and get seats.

I'm still glad it passed, as it's a good start. We need many more things. I hope they don't stop.