The GOP and The Tea Party Crowd are not the same thing

[Perky]

Let's be clear about this the Tea Party Activists are not part of the GOP. There is considerable debate as to who is in control of the conservative constellation in general, but the bottom line is that the traditional Republican party coalition is being split as to who they have allegiance to and both the Tea Party folks and the Traditional Republican leadership have at best a love-hate relationship. It seems doubtful to me that they will will ever meld.

The big challenge for the Tea Party movement is figuring out a way to institutionalize organizations and fundraising when what we are really talking about 250 ego-driven fiefdoms. The Challenge for the GOP is to hold the Libertarians and Fiscal Conservatives in their coalition. Thus far the NeoCons and Fundies are still part of the base but the Fundies are tired of being lied to, its leadership is dying off and the Tea Party movement, because it is largely libertarian has yet to embrace them and from what I read probably won't.

This graphic is a work in progress,

[Jennicut]

1. I would say the Teapartiers have a slightly more libertarian bent to them

and it was started under Ron Paul after all. But Rethugs are desperate to co-opt them into the party and have used Rush and Faux media to try and do that.

[SwampG8r]

19. god help me i have to defend ron paul

ron paul is a sweet guy who takes his vision of the constitution very seriously
its sad he was the focus of a campaign for president
he is a man who votes the conscience of his district as the constitution (as he sees it)allows
i gotta respect that

while the tea party "movement" may have begun "around" him and may have had him as its focus
he himself would probably not feel comfortable with them
i swear with god as my witness ron paul is NOT seeking to overthrow the govt
i wish my rep (a gop guy)consulted the constitution before every vote
ron paul is not the enemy here any more than sarah palin is
the over representation of psychopaths in their core audience however is the enemy
these people who are acting out are just socially maladjusted and taking advantage of a rare opportunity
they will cheer for anything if it means they can break stuff

but leave ron alone

[FrenchieCat]

2. Add the Corporate media in one of those labels,

cause they are certainly participating as much as they can under the circumstances....

But I've got an simpler chart


McCain-Palin 2008 Voters = TeaBagging Domestic Republican Terrorists

[Cha]

16. The corporatemediawhores always have a

place at the teabaggercon table.

beckpalinlimpaughs.. All those idiots want to harness that ugly violent force they destructively fomented.

McCain-Palin 2008 Voters =SoreLosers=TeaBagging Domestic Republican Terrorists+ sc5 clarence thomas' wife, virginia

[craigmatic]

3. they're bush voters plain and simple. if the repubs don't co-opt them, they'll co-opt the repubs

They're not libertarians because many of them care about conservative social causes. If they're anything it's fanatical right wingers

[Ter]

7. Not exactly

Many (if not most) are Ron Paul types and hate Bush.

[FrenchieCat]

10. They are still Republicans, just like Ron Paul is a Republican.

[Ter]

12. Yes, but...

craigmatic said "they're bush voters plain and simple." I'm simply stating that that's not the case.

[quakerboy]

14. Who did they vote for in 2000 and 2004. And 2008.

And who will they vote for in 2012.

Bush voters. Doesn't preclude hating him or liking Ron Paul better.

[Ter]

18. Ron Paul did not vote for Bush nor McCain

In 2008 he enforced Chuck Baldwin, and many of his supportes did as well. Search for Ron Paul forums, I'd estimate at least 50% don't vote Republican when their candidate doesn't get the nomination.

[butterfly77]

4. As far as I am concerned..

they are one and the same because for the most part they believe in the same things for the country..

[Cali_Democrat]

5. "Let's be clear about this the Tea Party Activists are not part of the GOP"

Bull-fucking-shit. They are part and parcel of the GOP.

[Ter]

6. Mistake found

Ron Paul and Bob Barr are listed twice. They should not be listed under Neo-Conservative, as they both are the complete opposite and despise neo-cons. Neo-cons support wars, more active role in a police state, 100% support for Israel, and major anti-terrorism laws (Patriot Act).

[Perky]

13. Yeah I forogot to change that to Chemny and Ledeen when I was creating it... too late now

[AlinPA]

8. The "Institutional Republican Party" is hardwired to Right Wing Media, as are the "Republican

Voters. Tea Party Activists are Republican Party Voters. To think other wise is very naive. In other words IMO, the "organization chart" is totally wrong.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

9. A delicious split vote - the lower the GOP's votes the better

All the more for us

[Bluenorthwest]

11. They are Republicans. They vote Republican.

What is the idea of this, a defense of the Steele wing over the Tea Wing? I think we should simply call them Republicans, they have no organization of any kind, they are not a party, they are just a bunch of Republicans being called something else, which started out as a funny joke.
I say call them all Republicans, for that is what they are.

[Bad Thoughts]

15. Why not reverse party and voters?

This is a compelling graph. I just think that the Tea Party has more direct relations with the Republican Party as an institution--the politicians and pundits--than it has with the electorate. Indeed, it seems that they need the party to filter their message.

[niceypoo]

17. Tea partiers are more detached from reality

...than your average republican, even though about 99% of teabaggers ARE republicans.