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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:05 PM
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Russia wanted to test Obama, and hoped he'd buckle
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 01:24 PM by babylonsister
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_03/023082.php

THE ARMS DEAL THAT ALMOST DIDN'T HAPPEN.... The Obama administration was delighted to announce the framework of a new nuclear arms treaty with Russia yesterday, but Peter Baker has a fascinating account detailing how the deal almost didn't happen.

President Obama was angry. He was on the phone with President Dmitri A. Medvedev last month to finalize a new arms control treaty with Russia, only to be confronted with new demands for concessions on missile defense. A deal that was supposed to be done was unraveling.

"Dmitri, we agreed," Mr. Obama told Mr. Medvedev with a tone of exasperation, according to advisers. "We can't do this. If it means we're going to walk away from this treaty and not get it done, so be it. But we're not going to go down this path."

Mr. Obama hung up and vented frustration. Some of his advisers had never seen him so mad. A picture taken by a White House photographer captured his grim face in that moment of uncertainty. For a year he had been trying to forge a new relationship with Russia, starting with a treaty to slash nuclear arsenals. And for a year Russia had been testing him, suspecting he was weak and certain it could roll over him.

If Mr. Obama overestimated his powers of persuasion in reaching quick agreement with the Russians, they misjudged how far they could get him to bend.


That seems to be one of the key takeaways from the long-sought treaty -- Russia wanted to test Obama, and hoped he'd buckle. Indeed, the Russians seemed to think it was likely, given the U.S. president's domestic challenges, and Obama's desire to complete the deal and move on.

"When President Obama's domestic positions were weakened in recent months and he was completely consumed in his crusade for health care reform, making all other issues irrelevant, it is surprising how much attention he kept on Start," said Sergei M. Rogov, director of the Institute for U.S. and Canada Studies in Moscow, referring to the treaty. "Even being 24-hours-a-day busy on health reform, he had a 25th hour for Start."

What Russia didn't expect is what they got -- a U.S. president who took hard lines, didn't yield, and was willing to be patient. That was true even when missile defense provisions threatened to scuttle the entire deal.

Dmitri V. Trenin, director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, said that the Kremlin thought Mr. Obama would back down out of eagerness to finish the treaty before coming international nuclear summit meetings.

"They believed Obama could be put under pressure and concessions could be extracted from him," Mr. Trenin said. "He needed the treaty more than the Russians in the short term."

"If you're going to continue to persist on this missile defense language, we're going to have to walk away," Obama said to his Russian counterpart, according to senior officials.


The Russians kept up the hard-line posture in private as well, and after President Obama threatened to walk away from the negotiating table if Russians continued to insist on including missile defense in the treat, White House officials say they didn't know what would happen.

Eventually Russians dropped the issue.

"At the end of the day it was a pivotal moment," the official said, suggesting that the Russians saw President Obama as someone who wasn't going to "cave."


Despite the Russians' apparent leverage, Obama didn't back down. The Russians did.

Periodically over the last few years, Obama has joked that "just because I'm skinny doesn't mean I'm not tough." I think everyone is starting to get a better sense that the boast is accurate.


—Steve Benen
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Rage Inc. Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 07:58 PM
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1. "Probe with a bayonet.....
...if you encounter mush, continue. If you encounter steel, withdraw." (Old Russian saying.)

Yep, the young Prez is of sturdier stuff than some folks thought!
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:19 PM
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2. K and R. Hopefully the Israelis and North Koreans learn this lesson.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:20 PM
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3. I think Obama is much more tougher then people realize.
He just made the 15 recess appts. today too.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:29 PM
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4. Obama's political opponents tend to underestimate his mettle, always to their eventual dismay and...
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 08:48 PM by ClarkUSA
... occasional bitter defeat.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:53 PM
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5. Obama is possibly the most under-appreciated and under-estimated president ever. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 08:59 PM
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6. Interesting to go back in time and
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 09:00 PM by FrenchieCat
listen/watch the below Charlie Rose Interviews from back during that
July 09 trip of this Prez to Russia.

They are quite fascinating and provides us all with
clues with how complex the US-Russian relationship is
and continues to be.

A conversation about President Obama's trip to Russia with
Stephen Cohen, Chrystia Freeland, Thomas Pickering and Claire Shipman
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10445


Update on President Obama's trip to Russia with Michael Mandelbaum, Professor and Director of the American Foreign Policy program at the Johns Hopkins University & Martha Raddatz of ABC News
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10455
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:16 PM
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7. Nonsense. He killed the Czech/Polish missile shield nonsense.
Edited on Sat Mar-27-10 09:17 PM by Monk06
The Russians merely waited for him to gain
political ground on domestic issues before
giving way on nuclear arms reduction.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:35 PM
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8. So the Russians gave way to/for him? Got a link, besides one from
Russia?
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:42 PM
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9. It's my opinion. I don't need a link for that. But the Russians will not make

deals with a US president who they think is a
lame duck. This deal or yet to be ratified deal
comes too close after HCR to be a mere coincidence.

The Russians respect strength and they see it in Obama.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:46 PM
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10. "The Russians respect strength and they see it in Obama."
That was kind of the whole point of the OP.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 09:55 PM
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11. Not completely. The Russians were not testing Obama's naked resolve.

They were waiting to see if he could survive the
the RW assault. I'm viewing it from the angle of
the Cuban missile crisis which is the last time
the US directly confronted each other on the incursion
of missile 'defenses' close to each others borders.

I think we only differ on this added detail.
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