President Obama, why are we not experiencing peace now? This is bullshit

[LakeSamish706]

that we are still in two wars that should not still be under way. The criminals that started these illegal wars should be behind bars. So, WTF is going on?

[MichiganVote]

1. Protection of the elites as usual.

[amborin]

8. +10000

[Ian David]

2. ...

[napi21]

3. Think realistic. Iraq is winding down. It's impossible to get all that equipment

out of there in a week! They are moving as fast as they can to get out. Just last week Gates said we will be pulling out of Afghanistan beginning in July. Obama has changed the strategy and it's working much better now than the Shrub ideas. All of us would love to see a quick retreat, but things simply can't physically happen as fast as we would wish.

Be honest with yourself and think realistically.

[MichiganVote]

5. I'm honest. I'm consistenly realistic. This is military BS per usual.

[butterfly77]

30. They can't they are irrational..

they have been told this over and over maybe the poster is a teabagger, they don't know what they believe...

[harkadog]

39. The equipment is not the issue.

We will be withdrawing very little of it. The constant dust storms in both Afghanistan and Iraq have ruined a lot of it. Most of the rest will be turned over to Afghan and Iraqi forces if we leave. But I don't believe for a minute we will leave either country.

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[Tarheel_Dem]

6. Did this president make a promise to you that we don't know about?

What's the problem? The president been getting too much positive press lately? So you thought you'd stir the pot a little? We all know that Iraq is winding down, and he's staying in Afghanistan exactly as he promised he would. But nice try.

[jeanpalmer]

10. "he's staying in Afghanistan exactly as he promised he would."

What he's really doing is escalating the war in Afghanistan, and widening it into Pakistan. As he promised.

[Cha]

13. What's he's doing is what he thinks

is the best thing to do.

[jeanpalmer]

49. Time is running out on that line of thinking

Indefintely keeping 100,000 troops on the ground to find 100 al Qaeda doesn't pass the common sense test. Especially when there's no way to verify when we've gotten all of them. If somehow we get bin Laden and al Zwahiri, and there are only 10 stragglers left, will he leave? What's his exit strategy? Has he announced one?

But if his goal is to do the best thing for him politically, then his course of action makes some sense.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

73. Yeah he is, and it's working.

[rug]

25. That 16 months is coming up pretty soon.

[sad sally]

33. Yeah, I guess it's a good thing for the one manufacturing base left

in this Country - arms, weapons of mass destruction, bullets, and all the spy stuff, plus combat troops, mercenaries, oh, and not to forget all the pain medicine, doctors, nurses and hospitals needed to take care of the wounded - that we keep wars going for nine, ten, twenty or however many years it takes. A promise is a promise...

[msongs]

7. how dare you want peace on earth and other pseudo christian stuff instead of war without end nt

[FrenchieCat]

11. Many people have wanted peace on earth since war was invented.....

that's like nothing new, so it ain't about "how dare you",
more like What makes one believe that this is a demand that
can just simply be delivered.

And what is this poster doing to help get it done?
Anything, besides posting on the Internet?

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[earth mom]

20. There are more people dying in those wars now that Obama is in office than when * was.

Do you ever stop and think about all those being killed in those illegal and immoral wars or about the blood that is on Obama's hands because he is more worried about playing politics than saving lives?!

Or is all you think about and do is pat yourself on the back because your guy is in the White House? :eyes:

Obama is the one with the power to stop the genocide. And he does nothing.

[Cha]

23. President Obama is doing more than you'll ever

know about. I support this President to do what he thinks is the best policy for Afghanistan/Pakistan's infestation.

Over a million died in bush's war on Iraq. http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/

[spoony]

36. You have some special knowledge of his actions

that no one here is privy to? Lol, fucking bogger logic.

[Cha]

66. Special knowledge..to know he's doing more than internet

posters know about..yeah, that takes a lot of knowledge.

"Fucking boggers"? You're sputtering obscenties bc you have nothing.

[Odin2005]

9. *FACEPALM*

[greencharlie]

14. Iraq is finished...

it's just a matter of time til all the Americans are home. The combat is over, thankfully.

HOWEVER... that little shithole Afghanistnam is not over... by a long shot. It's consuming American soldiers daily and I can't think of one damn reason to have so mny boots on the ground there. Some special ops and Predators maybe... some support and training for the local army ok... but actual boots on the ground? Why?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

17. 30,000 fewer troops in Iraq than at this time last year...

About a 25% reduction, and that number is getting larger by the day.

[phleshdef]

26. That doesn't change the fact that Iraq really isn't much of an active war anymore.

This is what a responsible draw down from a major clusterfuck looks like.

[ShortnFiery]

27. Wait for it? The contested race for President will fire things up again ... it's going to be ...

full-blown civil war within a year or two. I'm bookmarking this page - so I can type, "I told you so." Again. :(

[golfguru]

32. And DOUBLE the troop deaths in Afghanistan and climbing

[Moochy]

44. How many contractors? How many active servicemen in country still?

Sell it like you own it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

15. -1

[treestar]

16. -2

I'm glad the adults are in charge. We will get out of these wars responsibly.

And if you think getting indictments on something like this is easy, you're naive.

[DevonRex]

18. -3 nt

[nyc 4 Biden]

19. +1. n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

21. President Obama, why haven't you canceled rainy days?

:eyes:

He provided timelines for withdrawal for both countries, so you clearly haven't been paying attention. And he never agreed to prosecute Bush and Cheney, despite your wacky fantasies.

[Moochy]

42. Only on modern day DU

Accountability = wAcky fantasies . Wow that's almost ignoreworthy.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

47. Accountability for something he specifically rejected before?

Go ahead and ignore me just because you don't keep up with the news.

[Moochy]

48. As long as obama promised it the policy is just! And peaceniks can eat shit

Accountability is pre-partisan... Only fucking wacky hippies could ever oppose these awesome wars for empire.
I get it. New DU = you

[Starbucks Anarchist]

52. Again, a lack of reading comprehension from you.

I just said what Obama previously declared, so expecting him to do a sudden about-face *is* a "wacky fantasy."

[Moochy]

53. Wanting Accountability is wacky when Obama said there would be none

A good New Democrat must abandon all liberal pro-peace positions since the peace industry makes few contributions, and consequently gets no secret deals with the president unlike the insurance industry.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

54. Keep going in circles and you'll make yourself dizzy.

You clearly have no interest (or ability) in reading what I wrote. Goodbye.

[Moochy]

56. I clearly reframed what you wrote

So who is dizzy? Maybe the person doing handstands, cartwheels and cheers?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

58. aside from the fact his words didn't need any reframing.

What he was saying was quite clear cut from the start so the fact that you see the need to reframe it into your mindset is the problem, not what he wrote.

[Moochy]

61. Did the shift change?

It's wacky to expect accountability with DLC people running the show.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

69. Now thats somewhat amusing to me

You are saying I am DLC if I get your post correct, most parties on the right here in Norway would be considered Liberal by US standards, and I belong to one of the parties toward the far left side.

[Moochy]

74. It was a joke

the joke is an ancient form of lie.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

63. Exactly, thank you.

Be careful, though. He'll probably start yelling "DLC! DLC! DLC!" until his head explodes.

[Moochy]

65. Another erudite post from the large venti anarchist poster

[Bodhi BloodWave]

70. Almost; he simply said DLC once n/t

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[Moochy]

64. I see when you have nothing you resort to ad hominem

Stay fucking classy

[AngryAmish]

71. An important video

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. Mr. Obama, why are there still chemtrails?

[Ikonoklast]

55. Mr. Obama, why does my drinking water still have fluoride in it?

Caved to the Fluoride Lobby, that's why.


Even though I specifically remember hallucinating that he said he was against drinking water fluoridation during the campaign.


The president is doing what he said he would do, and these incessant whiners either refused to listen, or were busy visiting another dimension when he spoke about such matters.

[ShortnFiery]

24. Good POINTS. Also why hasn't the Patriot Act been rescinded and Bush-Co ...

presently being investigated on SEVERAL LEVELS?!?

:(

[cliffordu]

28. Minus another one

For little more than flambé bait.

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[spoony]

35. I see you like to quote rules, but not follow them. nt

[golfguru]

31. Get out of Iraq-Afghanistan now!

I am sick of US playing role of world cop.

[zulchzulu]

34. As one against both wars, I understand it takes time to wind these wars down

Iraq is very much being wound down and the Afghanistan war has a timeline set for withdrawals starting in 2011. Obama didn't start these wars and it's not a video game where war just ends.

Looking back at history, Vietnam in 1970 was very unpopular and it still took almost five years for it to wind down.

[Orsino]

68. It takes a hell of a lot longer when we won't admit our mistake.

When we keep pretending that securing Iraq is vital to our nation, we guarantee that "winding down" will take many years.

Withdrawal would be faster, but that's the strategy that dare not speak its name--not to mention that that would make further deaths even harder to excuse.

[spoony]

37. It's not popular to oppose the Dems' war on DU

Prosecuting war criminals is also considered less than "pragmatic" so that's off the table, too. But there are still some of us who will stick to our principles, glad to see you make a stand.

[Cha]

38. It hasn't been popular on DU to support the president

but I don't give a fuck..I support what and who I think is right.

[ClarkUSA]

40. Well said.

:yourock:

[Cha]

43. Good to

see you around, Clark.:)

[goclark]

45. +10

[spoony]

51. Which is...everything this guy does...

We get it, trust me.

[Moochy]

41. Yeah what gives?

End the wars.

[akbacchus_BC]

46. Hold your horses, he just taking up where the previous admin left,

But why is the US still in Iraq is mindboggling and the US needs to leave Afghanistan alone. Help their economy, not increase soldiers to go kill more people.

May I suggest that you rally your government to get the hell out from other countries. The US is a bully!

[BlooInBloo]

50. DADDY!!!!!! MAKE IT ALL BETTER NOOOOOWWW!!!!!

[Moochy]

57. New DU on the anti-war position "these incessant whiners"

yeah why wont they just shut the fuck up and enjoy the wars?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

59. complaining about something that has been given clear timelines on withdrawal has no real benefit nt

[Moochy]

60. I see, whatever the president says goes.

We must accept his fucked-up policy or risk unicorn pictures posted by the pep squad.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

72. not at all, I simply see no logic in trying to push something to happen faster then is proper

Obama has stated he will not withdraw quickly and helter skelter but want it to be done in a proper and responsible and safe way.

To me that shows some common sense; sure I'd prefer it if most of the USA's troops was back home with their families; but I disagree with those wanting a rushed withdrawal.

[polichick]

67. The military industrial complex (Pentagon and secret players) rule. nt