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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:29 PM
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Frank Rich - "It’s a Bird, It’s a Plane, It’s Obama!" - On Right and Left Seeing What They Want...
Interesting read from Frank Rich, who says that much anger about President Obama is attributable to caricatures created by both the left and the right.


Depending on where you stand — or the given day — he is either an overintellectual, professorial wuss or a ruthless Chicago machine pol rivaling the original Boss Daley. He is either a socialist redistributing wealth to the undeserving poor or a tool of Wall Street’s Goldman Sachs elite. He is a terrorist-coddling, A.C.L.U.-tilting lawyer or a closet Cheneyite upholding the worst excesses of the Bush administration’s end run on the Constitution. He is a lightweight celebrity who’s clueless without a teleprompter or a Machiavellian mastermind who has ingeniously forged his Hawaiian birth certificate, covered up his ties to Islamic radicals and bamboozled the entire mainstream press. He is the reincarnation of J.F.K., L.B.J., F.D.R., Reagan, Hitler, Stalin, Adlai Stevenson or Nelson Mandela. (Funny how few people compared George W. Bush to anyone but Hitler and his parents.)

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Last week, after I wrote about the role race plays in some of the apocalyptic right-wing hysteria about the health care bill, a friend who is a prominent liberal Obama supporter sent me an e-mail flipping my point. He theorized that race also plays a role in “the often angry and intemperate talk” he has been hearing from “left-liberal friends for the past many months about what a failure and a disappointment” the president has been. In his view, “Obama never said anything, while running, to give anyone the idea” that he was other than a “deliberate, compromise-seeking bipartisan moderate.” My friend wondered if white liberals who voted for Obama expected a “sweeping Republicans-be-damned kind of agenda” in part — and he emphasized “in part!” — because “they expect a black guy to be intemperate, impetuous, impatient” rather than “measured, deliberate, patient.”

That was one provocative expansion of Obama-as-Rorschach test I hadn’t encountered before, and I guess anything is possible, particularly when it involves race in America. But what is unquestionably true is my friend’s underlying premise — that the Obama we see now is generally consistent with the one he presented in the 2008 campaign. Many, if not all, of the positions that have angered liberals since he entered the White House line up with his positions then, including his stubborn and futile faith in the prospect of bipartisanship in Washington.

When the 2008 Obama called Afghanistan an essential war and vowed to take out terrorist havens in Pakistan, he wasn’t just posturing to prove he was as hawkish as Hillary Clinton — which is what some chose to hear. Though he nominally supported a public option as a plank of health care reform, it was not a high priority and he rarely mentioned it, according to a review of his campaign speeches, interviews and debates by Sam Stein of The Huffington Post. Obama never said anything to suggest that he was interested in economic interventionism as bold as, say, the potential nationalization of failing banks. He was unambiguous in his professed opposition to same-sex marriage and largely silent on gun control. And as Jake Tapper of ABC News chronicled last week, Obama had even opened the door to offshore oil drilling in the weeks before Election Day.

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:37 PM
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1. Reality is what the voters perceive
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 08:43 PM by DJ13
Obama needs to be the person the voters thought they were electing instead of having elites like Rich making excuses why he isnt.

The electorate told the GOP they were tired of the excuses the last two elections, they will be just as ready to tell Obama the same thing in 2012 if he continues pandering to the right.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:56 PM
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2. Huh? So if voters "thought they were electing" someone who was against the war in Afghanistan,
which he wasn't, he needs to change to fit their misconceptions? It's not his fault that some people thought he was a Pacifist. :shrug:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:05 PM
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4. When you buy a product that fails to meet your expectations
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 09:14 PM by DJ13
Do you try to convince yourself its not all that bad and buy it a second time?

He needs to go back and examine how voters perceived him in 2008 and try to accomplish many of his biggest liberal campaign promises.

The HCR really doesnt count, as the version he settled on was a bastardization of both Hillary's and McCains, which doesnt qualify as following through on HIS campaign promise (and is hardly liberal).
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:15 PM
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6. If the product description says it's ONE thing and I expect it to be something that it's
not advertised as, that's MY fault. I can't buy a short-sleeve shirt and try to return it saying I expected it to be long sleeves. :shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:18 PM
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7. You changed your post after I replied but it STILL doesn't make sense. And re: his promises...
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 09:24 PM by jenmito
Tracking Obama’s promises

Promise Kept 105
Compromise 35
Promise Broken 17
Stalled 85
In the Works 259
Not yet rated 2

http://www.politifact.com/
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:15 PM
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5. Is that so? What if you and I have different perceptions of Obama?
Who should he try to please? You, or me? Calling, King Solomon!
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:19 PM
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8. "Obama needs to be the person the voters thought they were electing"? 40% say he is too liberal
Are you then arguing that President Obama needs to be more conservative? If reality is what the voters perceive, and 40 percent say that President Obama is too liberal with only 6 percent disproving of him for not being liberal enough, then your logic would seem to dictate that President Obama needs to be more conservative:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/29/rel6b.pdf


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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:21 PM
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9. Then you should be happy with him I guess
Just remember that people didnt vote for "change" after two terms of Bush to have another conservative in the WH.

Thats nonsense.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:26 PM
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10. Tracking Obama’s promises
Promise Kept 105
Compromise 35
Promise Broken 17
Stalled 85
In the Works 259
Not yet rated 2

http://www.politifact.com/
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:36 PM
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12. Same old well worn excuses
Look, is he "too liberal" or not?

If you say people in a poll think so (which sounds like a MSM creation to make the same excuses Rich did), then all I can tell you is go ahead and continue fawning over conservatism hiding under the Democratic banner, but thats NOT what people thought Obama represented when they elected him.

The people know conservatism is ruining our country (the polls on single payer is proof) and considered Obama a way to end that in 2008.

Failing to follow through isnt just bad for our party, or even bad for his reelection, is a disaster for our country as a whole.

That so many "Democrats" make excuses for the continuation of conservatism is an abomination.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:39 PM
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13. A fact-checking list of his promises kept, broken, etc., is " Same old well worn excuses"?
What? Did you look at how many promises he KEPT vs. how many he BROKE? You sound like a hater who keeps making excuses to not approve of him. :eyes:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:51 PM
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14. Who compiled that list, and after its been posted 100x it IS well worn
Why is it that smart people in our party can see the layers of deception by assorted agencies when those kinds of groups were defending conservatism under the GOP, but they lose all ability to look rationally at the same deceptions when the group is defending the conservatism of Democrats?

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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 11:00 PM
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16. Don't Worry, DJ13 Says "Reality is what the voters perceive..."
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 11:08 PM by TomCADem
Which means that when 85 percent of the people who disapprove of President Obama's job performance say that he is too liberal, then the reality is that President Obama is a very liberal President. Afterall, "reality is what the voters perceive."
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 10:13 AM
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19. A factual list of promises kept AND broken is not an "excuse" as you called it...
Why is it that some people in our party can't accept it when a president from our party keeps so many of his promises that he made during the campaign? What's with your continued claim of "deception"?
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:29 PM
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11. When you say "people"? Are you referring to the 6 percent then?
I am just asking for clarification of your point. You made an assertion that President Obama needs to be the person the people voted for, because perception is what matters. Okay, under your logic, you seem to suggest that President Obama needs to cater to the perception by the vast majority of people who disapprove of him that he is too liberal.

I frankly do not think he is too liberal, and I do approve of his performance as President. I would hope that you are wrong, and that he does not follow your logic of catering to the perceptions of those who do not approve of his performance who believe that he is too liberal, so I disagree with you on that point.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 05:26 PM
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25. 40% of those that voted for him?
or 40% overall?

if it's the latter, then your point isn't valid - and the poll doesn't make a distinction between Republicans or Democrats...
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:59 PM
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3. No Frank, all criticism of Obama is NOT about race.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 10:59 PM
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15. Maybe Rich should try removing his lips from Obama's backside
long enough to write columns that are worth reading.

:eyes:
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 11:02 PM
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17. And Hillary's For That Matter, Since There Isn't Much Daylight Between Them...
On Afganistan. I know some folks insist that Hillary is more hawkish, but I think they are pretty much on the same page.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:42 AM
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18. He is the president.
Just like with any other president, it's HIS foreign policy.

:shrug:

But I was referring to Rich's constant refrain that those who oppose Obama are racist. It's tiresome and disingenuous. Some may be racists, but most are not.

;(
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