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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:47 PM
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Why the U.S. recovery will be bigger, faster, and stronger than economists and politicians expect.
You're Awesome, America!
Why the U.S. recovery will be bigger, faster, and stronger than economists and politicians expect.
By Daniel Gross
Posted Sunday, April 11, 2010, at 7:20 AM ET


In the wake of the 2008 financial meltdown and the deep, long recession that followed, the decline of America has become the preferred intellectual preoccupation of the elite—left, right, and center. Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel-winning economist, has argued that the Obama administration's tepid response to the recession and the financial meltdown will sandbag the U.S. recovery. Historian Niall Ferguson has made the case that high debt and profligate spending will cause the downfall of a once mighty American empire. Harvard economist Ken Rogoff frets that the United States could become the next Greece. In January, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, once dubbed "l'Americain," delivered a blistering speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos that criticized the U.S.-led model of global capitalism.

After the failure of Lehman Bros. in September 2008, industries and institutions tethered to the easy-money era were sliced nearly in half. And so was America's economic self-esteem. Between the end of 2007 and the first quarter of 2009, $9 trillion of wealth evaporated. The relentless boom of China, India, and Brazil, with their cheap labor and abundant natural resources, emerged as a frightening new threat. The collapse coincided with other foreboding omens: $4-a-gallon gas, the rise of the Tea Partiers, an ungovernable Senate, an oddly blasé White House, unrepentant banks, and stubbornly high unemployment. The broad unemployment measure that also tallies frustrated part-timers and those who have given up looking for a job remains at 16.9 percent. If the United States doesn't tumble back into recession, the consensus holds, we'll face a Japan-style lost decade. A 2009 NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that only 27 percent were confident their children's standard of living would be better than their own.

Bleak is the new black.

But the long-term decline of the U.S. economy has been greatly exaggerated. America is coming back stronger, better, and faster than nearly anyone expected—and faster than most of its international rivals. The Dow Jones industrial average, hovering near 11,000, is up 70 percent in the past year, and auto sales in the first quarter were up 16 percent from 2009. The economy added 162,000 jobs in March, including 17,000 in manufacturing. The dollar has gained strength, and the United States is back to its familiar position of lapping Europe and Japan in growth. Among large economies, only China, India, and Brazil are growing more rapidly than the United States—and they're doing so off a much smaller base. If the U.S. economy grows at a 3.6 percent rate this year, as Macroeconomic Advisers projects, it'll create $513 billion in new economic activity—equal to the GDP of Indonesia.

So what accounts for the pervasive gloom? Housing and large deficits remain serious problems. But most experts are overlooking America's true competitive advantages. The tale of the economy's remarkable turnaround is largely the story of swift reaction, a willingness to write off bad debts and restructure, and an embrace of efficiency—disciplines largely invented in the United States and at which it still excels. America still leads the world at processing failure, at latching on to new innovations and building them to scale quickly and profitably. "We are the most adaptive, inventive nation, and have proven quite resilient," says Richard Florida, sociologist and author of The Great Reset: How New Ways of Living and Working Drive Post-Crash Prosperity. If these impulses are embraced more systematically and wholeheartedly, the United States can remain an economic superpower well into the current century.

more...

http://www.slate.com/id/2250374/pagenum/all/#p2
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:50 PM
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1. People forget
The recession of 1990-91 ended and the recovery was sluggish for the first two years, but then surged.

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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:59 PM
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3. and then there was ...
the dot.com boom. :nuke:

:kick:

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 03:10 PM
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16. The dot com boom wasn't a bubble...
many companies started during that time still exist, and some are international monoliths now. The air was just let out of the tires in 2000.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 03:37 PM
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17. oh it was certainly a bubble, all right.
it was not COMPLETELY built on vapor, but that's not a requirement for a bubble. there was certainly legitimate reason to invest in the internet business at that point, but there was WAY too much money thrown at it. prices got ridiculous and many companies that should never have existed in the first place scored a ton of investor money, then crashed and burned swiftly.

people started to ignore prices and continued to invest anyway, and the rising prices was taken as evidence of the impossibility of failure.

it was definitely a bubble.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 01:14 AM
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41. Actually it wasn't, that was just what made the headlines. What really happened was the jobs left
the country from 2000 on.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 05:33 AM
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47. that doesn't address my point
yes, there are companies that survived and thrived.
yes, there are jobs that went overseas.

but, yes, there was still WAY too much capital thrown at that sector and it resulted in a speculative bubble on above and beyond what rationally should have been invested in that sector at that time.

many COMPANIES went up in smoke during that time, not just shipping jobs overseas.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 08:36 PM
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33. Correct.
The leadership at the time made sure that we did not have a Reaganesque bubble as we did in the 80's or the horrible bubble of the 2000's.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 01:13 AM
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40. Exactly, until the fundamentals change we just get a big BUBBLE and another CRASH
So while a nice 4 year bubble might help me personally, as I could probably finish paying for my house, it is not what is really needed and will not help my children with their future.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:27 PM
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6. Apparently people also forget that the "recovery" was not a recovery at all, but
an entirely new, digitally driven, economy. There is no correlating force today, nothing to drive this recovery other than leveraging borrowed money. Convincing the 14 people that are still able to borrow to max out their cards will not push this economy any more than billionaires buying toys will.


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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:57 PM
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2. Once Recoveries Get Traction, They Tend to Explode
Look at the employment curves from virtually all previous recessions. We're still treading water and are just barely ahead of the game. There is still a lot of fear and negative sentiment around. That is actually a good sign.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:05 PM
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24. Okay, I'm looking.
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 06:06 PM by girl gone mad
Can you show me the "explosion" after the last 3 recessions? Because all I see is an ongoing trend that points to ever expanding periods of high post-recessionary unemployment. :shrug:

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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 01:18 AM
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42. Because we are contiuing to massively print dollars, far more than in the last recession
trouble is, that may be necessary at the moment to keep deflation at bay, but it is no way to grow an economy.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 02:05 PM
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51. Look at the Angle of the Recoveries
In the current job climate, job growth in that order of magnitude would certainly be felt as an explosion of job openings.

The earlier recessions tended to be sharper and V-shaped, and the more recent ones have tended to be shallower and more U-shaped. This one is kind of S-shaped, on the way down at least.

The current one is more severe than the last two. It's probably more similar to the situation in 1981, with high deficits, a weak dollar, high oil prices, and higher monetary growth. It took a couple of years for the recovery in the 1980s to get under way, but when it did, it was very strong.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 04:48 AM
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46. What planet are you from? The Aughts had close to ZERO net job creation
--while the population increased by 25 million.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 02:34 PM
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52. I Realize There Was No Net Job Creation This Decade
There were also two recessions -- one shallower and one more longer and more severe. After a recession bottoms, there is always a lag of several months followed by an increase in hiring. The only question is to whether the bottom is really here, but all indication are that it is.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:03 AM
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57. So, we are looking at the prospect of FIFTEEN FUCKING YEARS with
--no net job creation. Who in fucking hell cares whether we are in a "recovery" or not if that is the case?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:07 PM
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59. Before the Recession,
unemployment was not particularly high. If you don't care whether we have current levels of unemployment or the lower levels in 2006, then I suppose you don't care. But historical trend suggest that employment will increase signficantly during 2010.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:04 PM
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4. Yep!.. that is how more and more are seeing it ... and our coming back strong
is going to depress the people on the right..
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:28 PM
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8. No, they'll just go back to saying it was the Bush tax cuts finally kicking in.
Morons.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:20 PM
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5. Any sort of respectable economic recovery sure is going to piss off
Jim DeMInt.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:28 PM
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7. I think what's missing from the recovery is writing off the bad
debts of U.S citizens impacted by Wall Street and other too big companies bad decisions.

Consumers cannot get credit because of bad credit scores which occurred after they got laid off during the spiral.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:45 PM
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9. Why the pervasive gloom?
The reich-wing media, telling viewers how doomed we all are. They downplay any good news about the economy and push stories about the negative. If the bushmeister was still "in charge", the media would be cheering loud and hard about how he saved us all.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 01:21 AM
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43. Because people are SMART, they understand that unless the fundamentals change it is temporary
Sometimes I have to wonder if this site isn't full of very young people. OMG, I am happy that the stimilus worked and we did not completely go down the tube, but the writing is still on the wall, nothing has changed from what got us here.. yet..
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 01:49 PM
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10. I feel as if I'm living in a parallel universe. Just when it's supposed
to be getting better, our real estate-related business is tanking. We expected a boomlet with the tax credit ending soon, but it's been a bust. And we're in an area where values haven't been affected much at all. All I can figure is the banks don't have money to lend or the lending guidelines have changed so drastically that no one qualifies for a mortgage anymore.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:22 PM
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13. That's what you get for living in the real world.
Edited on Sun Apr-11-10 02:25 PM by Jakes Progress
If you could just move to one of the worlds created by those who will benefit from everyone thinking everything is great, you will do much better.

It's the blue pill. I seriously feel for you. I'm sort of doing okay, but I volunteer with people who are in absolute despair. They are losing homes, going without medicine, actually happy for crappy part time work. We do have a parallel system. I hope your business picks up somehow.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 05:29 PM
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20. Well put.
Just because there's an increase in employment statistics, it doesn't discern what types of employment. I get the impression that these are McJobs of a temporary nature without benefits.

What recovery? Wall Street and the MIC TENDS TO BENEFIT MORE when Main Street is suffering.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:36 PM
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27. That's the lie to the story.
People working at a third or less of what they used to make for a few hours a week still get counted as workers, it counts as jobs gained. My own family has several who are working two and three jobs, hustling what they can, their kids doing without stuff, lots of evenings over the kitchen table sweating the bills. The nation won't survive on this much despair. No amount of happy talk and everything will be alright real soon talk can help those who go to bed each night with hope gone and fear just outside the door.

Things are bad. They need to get better and they won't get that way if we keep being told just wait. Getting big bonuses back for wall street isn't doing it for the rest of us. All the happy talk just depresses us more because it is an indication that they either aren't planning on doing anything or just have no clue what to do.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 05:56 PM
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23. You are not alone.
Many of my clients have very recently seen sharp declines in business income. One who thought she had great retail sales in March saw an unprecedented level of merchandise returns. Whatever limited gains were taking place in the first quarter seem to have come to a screeching halt for some reason. Perhaps it's the sharp declines in consumer credit. The savings rate went back down and without credit, gains will be increasing difficult to sustain. Even WalMart is lowering prices to lure back shoppers. All of the money we flushed down the toilet of zombie banking has not found its way to the masses.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:15 PM
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25. I think you're right. The big banks aren't lending to the little banks.
Last year we had a brief spurt in activity because a local lender somehow got access to millions of dollars for mortgages. It's been downhill ever since that ran out. I sell antiques and collectibles online and in a shop and that's been kind of flat, too, although not as bad as I anticipated it would be. It's definitely the lower end stuff that's selling though.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:00 PM
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11. I find it hard to see how we will recover...
Our jobs are still going overseas.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:07 PM
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12. When will the recovery occur? Never!

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/10-5

..snip..

In a recession this deep, recovery doesn't depend on investors. It depends on consumers who, after all, are 70 percent of the U.S. economy. And this time consumers got really whacked. Until consumers start spending again, you can forget any recovery, V or U shaped.

Problem is, consumers won't start spending until they have money in their pockets and feel reasonably secure. But they don't have the money, and it's hard to see where it will come from. They can't borrow. Their homes are worth a fraction of what they were before, so say goodbye to home equity loans and refinancings. One out of ten home owners is under water -- owing more on their homes than their homes are worth. Unemployment continues to rise, and number of hours at work continues to drop. Those who can are saving. Those who can't are hunkering down, as they must.

..snip..

My prediction, then? Not a V, not a U. But an X. This economy can't get back on track because the track we were on for years -- featuring flat or declining median wages, mounting consumer debt, and widening insecurity, not to mention increasing carbon in the atmosphere -- simply cannot be sustained.

..snip..

More at the link.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 02:45 PM
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14. Ahem...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8118460


http://mediamatters.org/blog/201004090013

More good news for America, bad news for right-wing media

April 09, 2010 10:03 am ET by Eric Boehlert


It was bad enough last week when conservative pundits, committed to rooting for bad economic news in hopes of a political advantage, had to endure the demoralizing news that 162,000 jobs had been added to payrolls nationwide. Now comes the painful revelation that retail business jumped in March, as well.

Ugh!

From the WSJ {emphasis added}:

Retailers Thursday reported strong year-over-year gains in sales at stores opened more than a year as indications continue to grow that consumers are spending again.

In addition to improved consumer confidence, retailers also benefited from easy year-ago comparisons, increased Easter shopping and warmer weather.

"Retailers are smashing expectations
," Thomson Reuters analyst Jharonne Martis said.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:17 PM
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26. The problem with this report is that it only counts same store sales..
for retailers that stayed in business, while ignoring all of the stores that closed their doors. In other words, if there were two Best Buy's in a town and one of them closed, the total loss of revenue for the out of business store isn't being counted, while the boost that the remaining store is getting as a result of the closure looks like a wholly organic increase when it could in fact represent net declines for the retail chain or market sector.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:37 PM
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28. Boy. That reality stuff is a bummer.
Grab a party hat and join the happy crowd.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 01:34 AM
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45. Yes, the emotional push is on and I have heard it will be for the next 4 months
It is **needed**, but in a site like this we should be able to talk deeper than the general public, who is mostly oblivious to what really is what in the country. So we are going to push optimism and use that power to spark things, but the fundamentals have not changed and until those do we are simply living 2004 all over again.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 05:32 PM
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22. Excellent Analysis.
Thanks for the site reference. :thumbsup:
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 03:08 PM
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15. You mean I WILL be able to retire some day?
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 04:13 PM
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18. It's gonna be great for millionaires and billionaires!
And very likely continued stagnant or falling wages for people who actually work for a living, meaning more squeezing of the middle class down and out.
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AK24 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 05:07 PM
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19. Lubrizol in Ohio east of Cleveland
Lubrizol and few other businesses seem to be adding to their payroll Lately. These are decent jobs paying between $12/hr an $25/hr. Hopefully this trend continues.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 05:31 PM
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21. Thanks for the positive job news, and welcome to DU! nt
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:06 PM
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30. $12/hr is not a "decent paying job"
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:25 PM
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34. $12 is damn decent money if you've been jobless..
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 10:45 PM
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37. in the context of an economic recovery
it's not a decent wage

and this thread is about the wonderful economic recovery that we're having
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 03:17 PM
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54. actually, its about the recovery that is coming.
Edited on Mon Apr-12-10 03:19 PM by mkultra
The bottom has already been reached and we are turning the corner. Just as predicted.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:28 PM
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35. That is great news!
Welcome to DU, btw. It's good to know that Ohio is getting some new jobs!
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:55 PM
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29. I've been reading Stiglitz and he makes a very compelling case.

The 70% rise in the DJIA cannot go much farther; historically it is already in atmospheric
territory for a recovery.

What is going to drive the creation of the millions of jobs needed to make up for those lost AND the new ones that need to be created to continue absorbing new job market entrants?

We've lost our manufacturing base--having shipped good jobs overseas so that we could import
stuff to buy cheaply at WalMart. What is going to be the source of jobs to keep the cycle going?



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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:46 PM
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31. Lots of mixed messages out there...


April 1, 2010, 10:49 a.m. EDT · Recommend (2) · Post:
U.S. ISM manufacturing index rises to 6-year high
Factory sector expands for eighth straight month; index rises to 59.6%


By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - The U.S. manufacturing sector expanded for an eighth straight month in March, boosted by stronger orders and production, the Institute for Supply Management reported Thursday.

The ISM manufacturing diffusion index rose to 59.6% in March from 56.5% in February, the ISM said. It was the highest reading since July 2004.
Distorted jobless numbers loom

Capital markets are looking with optimism to Friday's U.S. labor data, but what can they really tell us?

Higher numbers indicate more firms are growing.

more...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-ism-manufacturing-index-rises-to-6-year-high-2010-04-01-101100?reflink=MW_news_stmp

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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:53 PM
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32. BSister, you know DU does not like good news like this..
This place is all about doom and gloom.. dont you know that??
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 01:30 AM
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44. Too bad we can't have more empty craniums like those right wing sites eh?
Edited on Mon Apr-12-10 01:32 AM by Go2Peace
Maybe we should all go to fundy-land and just marvel in our party haven and forget about the rest of the world and not get into truth like market fundamentals, printing money from nothing, Monopoly bohemoths still in place, no serious industrial base, or global competition that has their act together better than us?

Thank God people here actually have some understanding of what we are really up against. I hope that the movement continues and we gain enough power and the leadership pushes through substantive reform, but this is no substitute.

Getting excited about the economy in it's current state is like being happy that you are only going to lose your kidneys to cancer. Sure it is great news to someone who is in dire straights, but it is no substitute for a healthy economic infrastructure and a country on the right track to sustained prosperity. And there is no way we have anywhere near achieved that goal at this time.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 07:28 PM
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56. I dont think anyone is "excited" or thinks all the problems are solved but...
clearly things are improving. I would rather be cautiously optimistic than drown in "doom and gloom" koolaid.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 09:38 PM
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36. I'm kicking this awesome thread but...
... the ONLY thing that worries me is that the only number that matters is the jobs number. I dont think folks will consider things to be "turned around" until it hits the 6% level and that wont happen anything soon.

The following are figures from the President's FY 2010 budget proposal.

GROWTH FORECASTS

Much of the improvement in the fiscal picture is driven by underlying forecasts in the budget for solid economic growth -- which will not necessarily be shared by all economists.

The economy is projected to expand by 2.7 percent in 2010, but then pull at an above-average 3.8 percent in 2011 and rise above 4 percent for the following 3 years.

The budget also assumes unemployment will remain high, edging to 8.2 percent in 2012 from 10 percent this year, while inflation stays mild and interest rates rise only slightly.

Discontent over the jobless rate translated into a slap for Obama's Democrats in an election last month for the U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, costing the party a crucial Senate seat and foreshadowing potentially big losses in the November congressional elections.

Unemployment is a key concern for voters who will elect all 435 members in the House of Representatives and more than a third of the 100 Senate members in November.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60U00220100201
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 10:53 PM
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38. Rec. This is starting now an will be very aparant by mid summer.
Beware, GOP - Obama was right - again!!! November is not looking good for the GOP....


mark
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 12:03 AM
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39. I've heard a lot of mixed messages, but just recently...
I was talking with an aquaintance who works for a company that leases and sells test and manufacturing equipment for elactronics design firms. He said they have noticed a steady uptick in orders since the beginning of the year...very good news since companies tend to make capital investments like this before they start adding to payroll. Let's hope this trend continues!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 06:42 AM
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48. And petroleum prices will fall as more and more is drilled
health care costs will fall to 10% of GDP, and the structural and systemic impediments to problem solving in the US Constitution will just up and disappear!

Poof!

Like magic.

America is exceptional after all- none of the rules of nature, economics ot political systems apply to it.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 06:45 AM
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49. I love the job of underselling
that the administration has been doing. The unanticipated positive results will make a bigger news story this summer.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 11:09 AM
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50. Let's see ---
in the last year alone, I have seen two coworkers lose their homes -- one to bankruptcy and one to a short sale. Another coworker just told me she is considering taking in a roommate to help with her mortage -- she is a 55 year old woman who has one of the "good" mortages from before all the craziness. TO make the hurt worse, she also lost every bit of equity she had built in her home. We had to fire three workers -- we are down to eight people. Everyone at my workplace has had to take a 10% reduction in wages because the company has lost 15% of its business. The owner is hanging onto his business by the tips of his fingers -- I don't know how long he can continue to manage.

It will take the company a minumun of four years to recoup what was lost.

If we can last that long.

And that is just one story. Now multiply that by thousands, by tens of thousands.

Color me skeptical with the "happy days are here again" crap.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 02:38 PM
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53. First factual point of error - China has cheap labor but NOT abundant natural resources.
Kind of makes me question whether this guy knows what he's talking about.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 06:28 PM
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55. what jobs, exactly, will fuel this 'recovery'?
:shrug:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:57 AM
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58. Signs abound recovery is ongoing.....pos negates neg...... Obamaism looking good too..
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