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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:14 AM Original message |
"President Obama's strategy gets personal" |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
1. Fine, I've got a list |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Nelson (I'm saying that the same way Seinfeld would say "Newman"). nt |
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proudohioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Publically calling out Dennis... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Progressives are his favorite punching bag |
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proudohioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Doncha remember.... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. "Progressives are his favorite punching bag"?? Prove it. The OP refutes your baseless polemic. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. He bragged to the GOP |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Where are the sourced facts or quotes? I prefer contextual facts to vitriolic spin. n/t |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Meeting at the Blair House |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. That was a statement of fact. I am still waiting for proof that he "bragged to the GOP". n/t |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Those statements were made TO the GOP |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. "He bragged to the GOP that he rejected "progressive ideas" So far, I see no proof. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Quotes aren't proof? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Your few quotes are not proof of your assertions that he "bragged". He was stating facts... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Your entire argument boils down to |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. He never said "to the GOP" that he "rejected progressive ideas". You're spinning the facts. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. I provided the quote |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. You're moving the goalposts again. When did he say that "to the GOP"? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Now you're really desperate |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. How in the world can you twist that into he "bragged to the GOP that he rejected progressive ideas"? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. No, he is pandering to the right |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. If that's true, then why is he calling Republicans out for not supporting financial reform? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. We shall see |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. President Obama has had the best first year in history but there are always those who enjoy... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Just not very progressive |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. HCR, financial reform, immigration reform, and climate change legislation are not "GOP ideas". |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. According to Obama |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. That purposefully vague statement is not proof of what you're saying; it's polite persuasion. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Have you compared it? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Did you want to "Kill the Bill" rather than have HCR signed into law? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Some of them DID happen under GOP leadership |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. TARP was revamped under President Obama and so were the GM bailouts. GOP leaders opposed both. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Which is different than "wouldn't have happened" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Wrong. Republicans never would have added the repayment terms that Pres. Obama did. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Who said "that way" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. McCain was advocating Palin, too. So what? He was for immigration reform before he was against it. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. You're dishonest |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Says the person who insists against all reality that President Obama "called out" Dennis Kucinich? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. You admitted it |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. lol! I thought you were "done"? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. And done |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. You're conflating again. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. You clearly admitted your deception |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. When did I do that, dear? Provide the link(s) to exact quotes in context. n/t |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:43 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Would you provide us links for each of your points? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Asked and answered |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. No, you keep offering spin and no proof. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I never was a big Clinton fan |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Who are you a big fan of? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. On what subject? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Who did you support during the election year? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Stared out with Richardson |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. The former chairman of the DLC who was for the Iraq war before he was against it? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. No, all you do is claim they are false |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. That's because your gross exaggerations are not remotely true, as I have repeatedly shown. n/t |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. You have "shown" nothing |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Of course I have. Repeatedly. See Reply 40, for example... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Quotes are "twists" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. No, your claims are "twists" of the few factual quotes you've offered.Other claims are simply false. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. You guys never seem to know what he has said |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Oh, I know. He said the same thing as a candidate. I wanted you to provide the link pro forma. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. And I never said otherwise |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Um, you said he said "to the GOP that he rejected progressive ideas" which is totally false. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. He said it himself |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. No, you keep deliberately mischaracterizing a few of his statements as "proof" of nefarious intent. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Ha |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. You never proved any of your claims. You simply spun a few quotes into gross exaggeration. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. So you have no cites and you didn't read your own post |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Um, I did provide "cites". It appears you're not reading my posts. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. How lame |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. No, I didn't. I added the "cites" before I even read your "lame" baiting taunts. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. You're dishonest |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. No, you're the one pushing false memes here. I simply have refuted them. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Deleted message |
ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Dennis Kucinich sure didn't seem to mind, as his Esquire op-ed proved. n/t |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Dennis doesn't even believe that Dennis was called out. Can't let that stop a good phony outrage. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. So we're going to argue semantics? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. No, we're stating the facts while you are spinning like a top. n/t |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. So he didn't do those things? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. President Obama didn't "call out" Dennis Kucinich. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Every single one happened |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Prove it. n/t |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Fair enough. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Here ya go |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Okay... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I gave quotes |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. You're moving the goalposts now. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Ha |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. How did I do that? I specifically said that your claims were false and proceeded to prove it. n/t |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. You proved nothing |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Opinions are not facts. Your polemic is made up of pure conjecture. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
94. I did |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. No, you simply kept repeating your false memes without providing a shred of proof. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. you're dishonest |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Your outrage is as predictable as it is misplaced. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. And I honestly made my case |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I think not. You repeatedly insisted President Obama said something he did not. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. No comparison |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. No, there isn't any comparison between your opinions and the true facts about President Obama. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. A constituent yelled "vote Yes", Obama said "You hear that Dennis?"... WOW, such a HUGE callout. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. It was lame |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Dennis did hear..and Dennis |
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cadmium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. That was good natured -- for |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Why were they there? |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. GObama! GObama! GObama! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
4. He gave them a fair chance to work with him |
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Change Happens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
11. Mr. President, I LOVE YOU! |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
12. He has tried numerous times to get them on board.. so I have no sympathy for the right. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
13. "Rather than going after big groups of bad guys..." Isn't it better if he makes it ideological? |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. DU loves Politico! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. I don't. This Politico article is full of quotes from Republicans scolding Obama's approach. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
18. Excellent! |
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55. They forgot one. John McCain is a crazy old coot who doesn't know the |
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