K&R if you plan to support Obama in 2012!

[LoZoccolo]

:bounce:

[kestrel91316]

1. It's much too early to decide.

[Better Today]

17. +1

[Martin Eden]

67. Ditto n/t

[dhpgetsit]

88. I probably will.

I was never expecting fairy dust to settle over the land, bringing with it a big comfy blanket of change. The main thing we need to do now is support congressional candidates who are willing to stand up to corporatism.

[PHIMG]

103. +1

I'll pick the best Democrat in the field in 2012, and that probably won't be War President Rahm Emmanuel.

[slay]

112. Agreed - too soon to tell - he gets no free vote from me

It's fucking 2009 - I sure as hell aint gonna commit to this guy for 2012 at this point! This whole war thing is really pissing me off.

Sanders/Kucinich is much more to my liking as Obama slips further from it every day. :(

[phantom power]

138. +1. I plan to decide that in 2012.

[JimWis]

2. K&R

[bjobotts]

101. Who you gonna pick...McCain? Cheney clones.Repubs have gotten worse

[bjobotts]

102. They have no new ideas, no new policies, just a corporatocracy-they are idiots.

[AVID]

3. K&R

[azmouse]

4. K&R

:thumbsup:

[change_notfinetuning]

5. Oh, I'm sure the choices will be plentiful. I'll wait to flip, whether Obama or

not vote.

[freddie mertz]

6. Maybe. Who knows?

[smalll]

7. K&R! Down with leftbagger deviationism!

Down with splittist impossibilism!

[Name removed]

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[Ken Burch]

44. Downism withism excessivism usism ofism theism suffixism "ism".

justism sayinism'

[PHIMG]

104. DLCbagger corporatism now and allways!!!

[Moochy]

81. PFJ SPLITTERS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-0Az7dgRY

[Ken Burch]

109. "I thought we were the Popular Front"

n/t.

[RaleighNCDUer]

150. No, that's HIM, over there. nt

[apnu]

8. K&R I trust the guy.

[FSogol]

11. +1. n/t

[Kahuna]

9. K&R! There's some heavy unrecommending going on. nt

[elocs]

10. LoZoccolo: King of the UnRec. Going back to the old K&R routine?

Nice try though. Don't know how you could go wrong with that subject line.

On edit: I see I posted too soon, you're actually in positive Rec territory. Maybe you'll get your Rec tank filled after all.

[Splinter Cell]

12. K&R

[onehandle]

14. Only if Nader isn't running.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[cascadiance]

19. How about Bernie Sanders?

I might take a serious look at him running!

[Blue_In_AK]

15. I haven't made up my mind yet.

In many ways Obama seems like "more of the same" only in a more erudite package. The "change we can believe in" so far has been window-dressing.

I'm not impressed, but I'll admit I'm a hard one to please.

[imdjh]

16. Sure, if Single Payer and end-DADT are in place, I'll be glad to.

Otherwise it will take $1 a gallon gasoline and an end to the wars.

[Jack Rabbit]

18. K/R

[vaberella]

20. He's probably going to be the Democratic candidate and so yes, I'll vote for him. n/t

[Ken Burch]

46. Unless Scoop Jackson is reanimated, you mean?

n/t.

[Name removed]

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[Bette Noir]

97. Huh?

[SIMPLYB1980]

22. K&R. And to save others the time.

[Sukie]

29. Love your button!! n/t

[Cha]

31. Amazing how that's done!

Non technie here.

[impik]

23. Of course. He's a great president. F**** the teabaggers.

[shotten99]

25. Amen!

[JamesA1102]

24. K & R nt

[Born_A_Truman]

26. Absolutely!

I haven't stopped supporting him!

[TheKentuckian]

27. Does the phrase field of Romney, Palin, Daniels, and Lou Dobbs

mean anything to you? (Or arrange the deck chairs however you like, I defy you to come up with someone that isn't likely to be the worst President ever in that bunch).

I'll take a corporatist over a dark ager every day and twice on Sunday.

As far as I'm concerned nothing has changed the basic equation we had a year+ ago except the Confederates are even more batshit crazy fringe to the top than I had already believed.

Further, I don't see any other Democrat that is a better alternative that could accomplish more of what I want to see done so yeah I expect Obama to continue to be the best overall option. That may change but at just over 10 months I've had no fundamental change of opinion of the general electoral situation.

[unpossibles]

141. thank you. How soon we have forgotten just how awful the "worse of two evils" can be

I wasn't terribly pleased with Gore, and many people made the mistake of saying "both parties are the same" kind of crap (which, by the way, is a f***ing Republican talking point to discourage people from voting in general, and to whitewash their own crimes!), and look what we got.

Hell, the entire reason we're even IN these messes at home and abroad is because we had President Sh*t-for-brains screwing everything up for 8 years, something that I don't foresee being fixed in a few months as much as I'd like it to be.

[Sukie]

28. K&R, if he continues to follow what he promised in his campaign.

So far, he has. And even if he doesn't, and he runs again, I would never, ever vote for a repub. Third party candidates are the ruin of either a dem or repub, and I prefer it to be the repub.

[Cha]

30. I know he's in there trying his best..

and I know from his record that he will be laser focused on getting done what he's set out to do.

[bvar22]

32. I will review his record before make an issues oriented decision.

Why promise to support someone before looking at his record?
That sounds more like Hero Worship instead of political awareness.

Lets do a quick review so far:

*The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party SHUT OUT of the Obama Administration…...Mission Accomplished!

*WARS fully funded and EXPANDING. Bill sent to our children…...Mission Accomplished !

*Trillion Dollars given to friends and campaign contributors on Wall Street. No Strings Attached...Mission Accomplished!

*Military Spending INCREASED....Mission Accomplished!

*Trillion+ Dollars given to the Health Insurance Industry. Token, easily avoidable, symbolic only strings attached....Mission almost Accomplished!

*Kill the possibility for a REAL "Public Option" or REAL Universal Health Care for at least another generation....Mission almost Accomplished!

*Block ANY re-regulation of BIG BANKS and Credit Cards....Mission Accomplished!

*Protect the Bush War Criminals and Torturers from JUSTICE....Mission Accomplished.

*Throw the Dirty Hippie Peaceniks, Liberals, and GBLT under the bus....Mission Accomplished!

*Reinforce the worst Police State provisions of the Patriot Act....Mission Accomplished!

*Protect the very richest. Tell the Working Class that they CAN will be forced to compete with 3rd World Slave Labor.....Mission Accomplished!

*EFCA (Employee Free Choice Act) killed in the crib....Mission Accomplished!

*More Anti-LABOR "Free Trade"....Mission almost Accomplished!

*Jobless Recovery....Mission Accomplished

Oh YES!
Obama is off to a great start!
Keep up the good work!
I can't wait to vote for MORE of THIS!

[Moochy]

80. making his list and checking it twice!

Like Santa, he's old and has a big sack, but his is full of DLC talking points.

[Not Sure]

105. I can't argue with a single point in this post.

With friends like this in the White House, who needs enemies?

[Kermitt Gribble]

134. You can add killing public schools to that list. n/t

[SandWalker1984]

158. Thank you, bvar22, for an excellent post.

[samplegirl]

33. You betcha!!!!!!!!!!

[Sinistrous]

34. K&R

[Firstzar]

35. Unred

For cheap applause line.

[JTFrog]

117. This site doesn't lean red anyway.

But for the record, your excuse sucked ass.

:shrug:

[Sentath]

36. *sigh* Yeah, sure

He is the incumbent and will be the candidate.

[freddie mertz]

37. Oasis still sucks.

[Aramchek]

38. He's going to make us proud!

[Flaneur]

39. Third party or independent candidate looking better every day.

I get tired of voting for watered down Republicans.

[RedEarth]

40. .

[Syntheto]

41. Check back in 2011

[jesus_of_suburbia]

42. 100% in the general election.

I'll have to see how the next 2 years pan out before I agree to support him in the Primaries.

[seattle_blue]

43. I can't predict the future

But from the information I do have:
A. There's no viable third party candidate on the horizon in our lifetimes.
B. Voting for a liberal third party candidate would split the left's votes.
C. President Sarah Palin does not seem to interest me in the least, and I refuse to support her bid for the White House by proxy.
:popcorn:

[polichick]

45. Far too early to know. nt

[girl gone mad]

47. Last time I maximized my contributions..

and spent dozens of hours volunteering. If the elections were being held now, I wouldn't give a dime of my money or a second of my time to his campaign. I am really sorry to say that.

My vote is up in the air. Let's see if there is a primary contender. I would never vote for a Republican.

[me b zola]

48. K&R

[Perky]

49. yeppers

[Itchinjim]

50. KNR

[Top Cat]

51. K&R

[Nancy Waterman]

52. K&R absolutely

!

[oneplanet]

53. Of course!

A thinking President for a change who shares my values!

[Duval]

54. K&R n/t

[ObamaKerryDem]

55. Absolutely! K&R

:dem:

[Politicub]

56. Christ on a crutch - not another thread like this

:sigh: Yes, I'll vote for Obama in 2012, but I think threads like this are quite useless.

[Capn Sunshine]

57. with all the cretinous disruptors here, a little cheerleading is welcome on occasion.

[Moochy]

79. What about the cretinous cheerleaders?

Have you seen LoZoccolo in his sexy cheeleader outfit?

[Capn Sunshine]

99. I have, but that's not the issue

Thank God

[Jester Messiah]

125. You know, if 'poutrage' and 'pony' are banned, then so should 'cheerleader' be. [nt]

[2Design]

58. I will vote or whomever the democratic candidate is - the republicans

would make anything worse

[quaker bill]

59. K&R

[avaistheone1]

60. Probably not. Afghanistan is going to be a disaster.

[AllyCat]

110. Will the 2012 campaign slogan be "stay the course"?

[Teaser]

161. well, unless there is a primary, you won't be able to post about it here

.

[Window]

61. Absolutely. K/R

[high density]

62. spent four hours caucusing for him in 2004.

Has my Democratic party fixed that crap yet? I'd say no, since I haven't heard a thing about it since the primary season ended.

[karynnj]

179. You mean 2008? Otherwise you might have been the first Obama caucuser

and you would have had to pick a second choice.

[and-justice-for-all]

63. Right now I will say yes, but that could change later on...

so far so good, but the Afghanistan issue really pisses me off. Other things, I think will turn over in time.

[zappaman]

64. K & R

[jeanpalmer]

65. Not a chance

I won't support a wager of imperialist war. And the rest of you shouldn't either.

[HughMoran]

77. .

Iggy pile for the puritan.

[Mira]

66. Not if DK is running N/T

[Odin2005]

68. K&R

[applegrove]

69. He's my man!

[Skittles]

70. won't know until 2012

lord there are a lot of idiots here

[AlinPA]

71. Yes.

[Aristus]

72. K&R.

Obama in 2012. I'm no fair-weather friend. Our President rocks! :patriot:

[DissedByBush]

93. I'm no friend

I always have an itchy voting finger for kicking the incumbent out of office if he's disappointed me.

Loyalty? To my country. Never to a politician.

[NYC_SKP]

73. K & R!

[Pirate Smile]

74. K & R

[Cant trust em]

75. Don't even post this.

This begs the question that we shouldn't support the sitting president.

[annarbor]

76. kick

[HughMoran]

78. I guess the 51 will be getting banned by the next election

Silly people.

[MrsCorleone]

82. Absolutely. Like Hal Sparks, I'm a patient liberal. nt

[PHIMG]

106. I guess simulating anal sex on TV does wonders for your patience. n/t

[MrsCorleone]

111. With a comment like that, how do you expect anybody to take you seriously?

Got issues?

[PHIMG]

113. Lighten up!

[nevergiveup]

83. I am leaning toward Sam Snyder in the primaries

but if Obama is the Democratic candidate he will have my total support.

[Lisa0825]

84. K&R

[jacobfloyd]

85. K & R !!!!!

[Oldtimeralso]

86. K & R n/t

[PJPhreak]

87. Yep nt

[LoZoccolo]

89. We're on the front page!

:bounce:

[Maraya1969]

90. Of course! What is the alternative? Some greedy republican who doesn't care about health care

for our fellow citizens? Someone who will veto every good bill passed by the Senate? Someone who, God forbid will appoint a supreme court judge?

[Bette Noir]

98. The Senate might pass a good bill?

[PHIMG]

107. How about a President who leads and pushes for Medicare For All

That would have breathed new life into an existing movement that could have drawfed the teabaggers.

Instead he took it off the table and told the senate that the best we can do is hand the insurance companies hundreds of billions in subsidies and maybe if we're lucky get a a watered down 5 million only triggered public option in exchange. This is not change we can believe in.

I didn't vote for President Rahm Emmanuel. I voted against Hillary because I wanted a bold democratic president. Not a Clintonian pre-capitulator.

I look forward to voting against him in the 2012 primary. Let the chips fall where they may.

[grahamhgreen]

91. ?

[mahina]

92. Yes.

We so are lucky to have him.

I'm looking for a podcast so I can hear the whole speech, but the little I heard on the way home from work sounded like he isn't even thinking about running for re-election.

All the military people that I know wanted us to get to work on Afghanistan seriously or get the hell out. None of them wanted to flap around in the wind as we were.

God bless and protect him and his family and all our men and women in uniform, and the people of the world. And yes, you too.

This family was heavily impacted by Vietnam. I know the President made this decision with deep respect and understanding. I know many of us disagree, and you have every right to think whatever you think, but you won't ever change my mind.

[KT2000]

94. K & R n/t

[Jim Sagle]

95. That's really sad.

[Bette Noir]

96. Too soon to tell.

If he's running against Palin, sure I'll support Obama, no matter what he's done. If he effs up so righteously that he gets primaried, we'll see.

Obama's a good man, but I'd prefer an actual progressive in office, if we could get one.

[cliffordu]

100. K&R

[cherokeeprogressive]

108. 2012? I don't "plan" that far ahead in a political sense. Every candidate for President runs for

a FOUR YEAR TERM. His or her promises should be taken in that context. If you as a candidate tell me you can change the world and convince me that you deserve my vote, as a voter I'd expect you to come through on your promises within your four year term.

That being said, if there is anything resembling "DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL" still being taken as SOP in the Armed Forces, if DOMA isn't repealed, if NAFTA isn't being renegotiated, if EFCA isn't implemented BY 2012, I'm going to be looking for alternatives and hoping for a primary challenge. I'll still vote for whatever Democrat runs for President, no matter who it is.

Do I PLAN on supporting President Obama for re-election to a second term in 2012? Only time will tell.

[apimomfan2]

114. 2 Votes lost for 0 in this household nt

[tanyev]

128. Gosh, up until now the only time I've ever seen him called 0 was on Free Republic.

Welcome to DU.

[Kolesar]

143. Uh-oh

That doesn't mean...no...say it isn't so...

[Johnboi70]

115. K&R!

[bos1]

116. There's a lot of insane Dems who won't be happy until they have right wing Repub prez to hate again

and it needs to be said over and over

[JANdad]

118. God I hate your asinine

K&R posts...with a fucking passion!

[flpoljunkie]

119. Kick!

[lamp_shade]

120. Meeeeee

[Buzz Clik]

121. The question is ... will DU still represent Democrats, or will this be a GOP website?

[snot]

122. I'm looking for an alternative.

[Kolesar]

123. Climate protection, conservation of resources

He is my best hope to protect the planet for the bugs and the plants and for your children and grandchildren.

[Alcibiades]

124. Unless a liberal mounts a primary challenge

Which won't happen.

[parasearchers]

126. Nope, I campaigned for him, but no, not now.

I intend to throw it away on whatever 21srcentruy version of Caligula or Evita Peron the Repukes put in play. The country needs to have several rounds put in it's head. A couple generations of famine will wake the country up maybe.

[Frisbee]

127. I will support the Democratic candidate...

sorry to say, at this point, that pretty much rules Obama out.

[StillHopingForChange]

129. If he gets the nomination

I would probably vote for him, but based on performance to this point, I'm hoping there's a better option.

[fugop]

130. K&R

Without a doubt at this point. Obviously, it's a long way away. But I'm still all in for now!

[MissDeeds]

131. I'll support the Democratic candidate

Right now, I'm hoping it isn't Obama.

[dreamnightwind]

132. Not in the primary

I really hope we can challenge him from the left in the primary. Even if we lose, the challenge will move the whole frame of the debate to the left, issues will be discussed in ways they otherwise won't. Our country really needs this. And if Obama keeps governing from the sweet spot of the corporate center, I hope we beat him.

Kucinich? Dean? Weiner? Grayson? I dunno, but someone needs to step up and show a bold alternative to this staid centrism.

[hay rick]

152. Ditto.

I expect to actively oppose him in the primary.

[dreamnightwind]

182. Franken?

I'd get behind Al, he has a big ol funny ass to hide behind, and also the rare ability to explain progressive positions to non-progressive people so that it makes sense to them. There's a YouTube out there somewhere of him talking health-care policy with the Tea Party freaks, and he's patient, kind, and articulate with them, really impressive.

President Al Franken, he's good enough...

[barbtries]

133. at this point i do

but i'll have to see how the rest of his first term plays out to really say. i'm not entirely tickled with results to date, but it's hard for me to imagine a better option in 3 years. really it's wait and see.

[tandot]

135. K & R

[mecherosegarden]

136. k&R

[truebrit71]

137. K&R

.

[gtar100]

139. Only if the other choice is a republican.

Gee, what are the chances of that?

[unpossibles]

140. while it's a bit early to say, the thought of Palin or Cheney or ... worse!?!

Let's see what he does his first term, which seems better than jumping to conclusions based on his first 3/4 of a year.

[Javaman]

142. If 3 things are met...

1) we are out of Iraq 2) we are out of Afghanistan 3) we have national health care.

if he only meets one of these, no, I will not support him.

if he meets two of these, I will give him a hard look and consider him

if he meets all three, I will support him.

me allegiance is to Democratic principals, not to a single person.

We wanted FDR and we got a version of Woodrow Wilson.

[Tigermoose]

145. With a Republican president you would get ZERO of 3.

Please join the rest of his down on earth. It isn't utopia, but its the best we have at the moment.

[Javaman]

157. And do we have any right now?

Please reread my post.

if we get one, no. if we get two maybe, if we get 3, yes.

if we get a repuke, than that's the same as not getting none from Obama.

So far, Obama is escalating the war in Afghanistan. we haven't pulled out of Iraq and I have yet to see a final version of a health care bill with a public option.

so what were you saying again?

[Tigermoose]

144. I support him now and in 2012!

The cynics are going to drag this country down into a banana republic.

[Sultana]

146. KnR

[Deep13]

147. No plans for '12 right now.

Understand you said "support" and not "vote for."

agree with < vote for < support

[RaleighNCDUer]

148. Unless someone better comes along -

but that someone would have to be fucking extraordinary.

[Pab Sungenis]

149. K&U here.

Growing more disillusioned by the day.

[caseymoz]

151. Obama or Palin? Well Obama then. Obama or Nadar? Obama then.

Sometimes you have a choice between getting hanged or sliding down a 40 foot razor blade into a pool of alcohol. I might choose to get hanged, but it doesn't mean I'm going to smile about it.

[shireen]

153. do i have a choice?

NO.

i don't like what he's been doing lately, with DADT, the war, financial situation. i'm disappointed.

but the Democratic political establishment will never allow a more progressive and powerful Democrat to challenge him.
voting for a 3rd party candidate is like giving votes to the Republicans.
I can't afford not to vote because that's almost as good as giving votes to Republicans.

So what choice do i have? All i can do is vote against the Republican candidate.

Disappointed? yes.
Choice? no. I have no one else to vote for except Obama.

[pjt7]

154. Obama failed true America

I don't know who he is in bed with, besides Goldman Sachs.. but I'm done w/ him & will be putting my energy into a third part candidate, I believe in.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

155. Sorry, Plinth

If I had wanted a continuation of Bush's policies, I would have voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries and McCain in the general.

[SandWalker1984]

156. If Obama continues to push DLC & Bush policies, I'm going 3rd party in 2012

I am tired of politicians (a) making promises to get elected that they have no intention on keeping or (b) holding my nose and voting for the candidate that I think will do the least damage.

We deserve better.

[jenmito]

159. Did you vote for him knowing his position on the Afghan war? n/t

[NJmaverick]

160. I support him now and think he is doing an outstanding job

[graywarrior]

162. Hell, yeah!

[DCBob]

163. Absolutely. I am so proud of what he has done so far.

:fistbump: :headbang: :applause:

[progdog]

164. K&R

Absolutely.

[existentialist]

165. It is not only much too early to decide

but the question is ambiguous.

In the primary?

In the general assuming he is the Democratic nominee?


Against whom?


Just the beginning of questions that need to be answered before the matter can be intelligently discussed.

[HughMoran]

166. 265 - 129 = 136 who apparently won't support Obama in 2012

[niceypoo]

167. K&R if cats are feline

K&R if water is wet
K&R if the sun is up

[JNelson6563]

168. I'm in.

[Liberation Angel]

169. It depends - is there a viable alternative who is more progressive?

Viability goes a long way with me.

If there is no viable option then I will vote for Obama over ANY republican and over most third party simply because third party is not viable yet.

[Stevethetruck]

170. No, if he continues bush policies

No, if he continues extending the "patriot act"
No, if he continues wars of aggression in countries that did NOTHING to us
No, if he continues to protect war criminals cheney/bush instead of sending them to jail, where they belong
No, if continues supporting the banksters and their bonuses for reaming us
No, if he continues to live by rip-off doctors and pharma companies rules
No, not at the rate he's going.

I voted for CHANGE and will vote for change, again. Take THAT to the bank!

Kucinich and Ron Paul are the only pols who have any inclination to CHANGE things

[toadzilla]

171. at this point, I'm thinking no, but well see if I get scared.

depending on who hes running against.

[Thornleylv]

172. K&R+

N/T:kick:

[mmonk]

173. With all the bad decisions, the administration is keeping the cheerleader

squads busy.

[MH1]

174. Not a doubt. K & R

[Papagoose]

175. he will be the Democratic nominee therefore I will support him.

and yes, it is that simple for me.

[MissMarple]

176. I have no reason not to do so.

[Blue_Roses]

177. I support him now and will support him

then:kick:

[Dr Robert]

178. Obama will win in 2012 by a greater margin than he did in 2008

[bluestateguy]

180. Nothing unites us more than attacks on Obama by birthers, Palin, teabaggers, Cheney and the neo-cons

nt

[HamdenRice]

181. Definitely ! nt