I doubt the Taliban were consulted for tonights event setting of timetables and military goals. LBJ

[CK_John]

followed this same road. I wish we just pretend we won and bring the troops home. We could even have a big changing of the guard ceremony in Kabul and march out quickly.

But... we know that is not going to happen and a second term for Obama is now a dream.

[tabatha]

1. I just heard Joe Sestak on Ed.

Joe Sestak is the most credible military person I know.
He said Obama is correct.

[maxsolomon]

2. Bullshit

a 2nd term is still about a 99% probable "dream". listen to the speech first, at least.

[Oregone]

6. Yeah, the speech

He will make war sound so fucking pretty.

[maxsolomon]

11. did he? i'm at work and can't listen.

my point is that he's a shoo-in for a 2nd term - the republicans have no credible option on the horizon and a challenge from the left will be as successful as kucinich 08.

get out in the streets and make noise if you don't like it.

[Baltoman991]

3. Where in the hell

are you people getting this from? Is it just because you're hoping he's only a one term president?

We voted for this man in 08 knowing he was going to do this. If the American people turn their backs on him in 2012 because of this then we're hypocrites of the worse kind. None of us want war, but he was left with this mess and he's never backed off on saying that Afghanistan was the right war to be fighting.

[CK_John]

4. You are forgetting people hear what they want. What is actually said gets lost. I'll be 70 in March

and have seen this movie before. One term is it, and the sooner he announces that the easier his term will go.

[Baltoman991]

5. Keep wishing

for that instead of backing the man who is doing his best to dig us out of the hole this country is in. And saying that people only hear what they want to hear is a cop out. We voted for this man knowing what he was going to do and I myself will vote for him again in 2012 unless something major happens and he screws up.

[CK_John]

7. I'm not wishing just sad that he seems unable to make a decision and totally throwing away his

mandate for change. He has been replaced with a go along to get along. I voted for him but was never convinced he was the real thing.

[maxsolomon]

12. who is "the real thing"?

who has been? what does that even mean?

it seems the office of the presidency requires compromises wherein every constituency feels betrayed. to some degree, the american government cannot be controlled, merely nudged right or left.

and clinton pissed me off royally every month, but i'd take him over any republican except abraham lincoln.

[avaistheone1]

8. No the American people voted for Obama to get us out of Iraq.

Obama's idea of escalating in Afganistan was not popular during his campaign, nor after it.

So the administration should not be surprised that people are angry that he is going to step up war in Afghanistan.

[IndianaGreen]

9. Afghanistan was not on the ballot in 2008. The choice was Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin

We voted our hopes for a better future, instead we are getting this:

[goldcanyonaz]

10. Huh? Those who voted for Obama know he said he would send more troops to Afghanistan.

He said Afghanistan, not Iraq was the war to win.

Why the outrage?

[ClarkUSA]

13. lol! "...a second term for Obama is now a dream." You mean it's been your dream since last year.

You wish.

[CK_John]

14. I never thought he would be so ill prepared and unable to name over half of his staff positions.

Could he possibly even resign.

[ClarkUSA]

15. Who are you kidding? You've always been anti-Obama.

Keep wishing for the worst, Bitter One. FYI, no one agrees with you except for teabaggers
and the usual folks here who never got over who won last year.

:hi:

[CK_John]

16. That your problem you can't move on from the primaries. He was not my candidate but he got my vote.

You never gave my opinions any choice except that I must support Obama or else. Well take your else and shove it.

[ClarkUSA]

17. Who mentioned the primaries? I did not. You're the one who went there. Gee, I wonder why?

:eyes:

[CK_John]

18. You keep refering to the past, get over it. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

19. With regard to Obama Outrage, one's past is the most accurate predictor of the present and future.

That certainly applies to you as well as the other whiners around here. :hi:

[rebel with a cause]

20. LBJ did not follow this same road.

LBJ played dirty, lied and did everything he could to get us more involved in Vietnam. He did not take us there, we had been there as 'advisers' for years, but he was the one that escalated it into a war. Johnson did a good job with civil rights and other social issues but when it came to being a bully internationally, he was right there with bush. I did a study on Johnson and the USA involvement in the Dominican Republic civil war, and its use as a training ground for our full military involvement in Vietnam. That is why I recognized what bush was doing in his every military move.

In Vietnam we were fighting the Chinese, troops poured in from both sides. There was never any chance of that war ending any other way than it did. With this one? I am really not sure because I don't know all the facts or even have a feeling about it. I hope for the best and fear the worse. How I have lived my life unfortunately.

[CK_John]

21. Korea had Chinese troops on the ground, none reported in Nam that I know of. n/t

[rebel with a cause]

22. Really? I will take your word for this and

Gee, everyone else must be wrong. :sarcasm:

"In the summer of 1962, Mao Zedong agreed to supply Hanoi with 90,000 rifles and guns free of charge. Starting in 1965, China sent anti-aircraft units and engineering battalions to North Vietnam to repair the damage caused by American bombing, rebuild roads and railroads, and to perform other engineering works. This freed North Vietnamese army units for combat in the South. Between 1965 and 1970, over 320,000 Chinese soldiers served in North Vietnam. The peak was in 1967, when 170,000 were stationed there."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#People.27s_Republic_of_China

"China then begins sending military advisors and modern weapons to the Viet Minh including automatic weapons, mortars, howitzers, and trucks. Much of the equipment is American-made and had belonged to the Chinese Nationalists before their defeat by Mao. With the influx of new equipment and Chinese advisors, General Giap transforms his guerrilla fighters into conventional army units including five light infantry divisions and one heavy division."

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1945.htmlhttp://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1945.html

"Without international perspective centered on the Vietnamese, we have reduced our debate to questions on the morality of American involvement without recognizing that the U.S. is only one important component of the war," he said. "Chinese involvement was every bit as significant as American involvement, and we can only begin to understand the war by incorporating all of these participants and the vast knowledge each has collected about the war's origins, conduct and outcome."

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Nov05/vietnam.prewrite.html

This is a document on the Chinese involvement can be found at this link but not copied.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/655420

"A protracted military conflict (1954-1975) between the Communist forces of North Vietnam supported by China and the Soviet Union and the non-Communist forces of South Vietnam supported by the United States."

http://www.answers.com/topic/vietnam-war

"China - Vietnam War 1979 ( Battle of Cao Bang)" video of Chinese soldiers fighting in Vietnam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECbhcqdIN5g

[CK_John]

23. Weapons and supplies were an open secret mostly attributed to the Russian's. Troop on the ground

were never mention by friends or news media at the time that I recall. Thanks for the info.