Kagan and Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

[Peacetrain]

http://www.mainjustice.com/2010/05/07/kagan-and-dont-ask-dont-tell/

In 2003 when Kagan became the dean of Harvard Law School, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” — a policy that bars openly gay men and women from military service — was a hotly contested issue on campus. Feeling that the military’s ban on openly gay soldiers violated the school’s anti-discrimination policies, in 1979 the law school barred military recruiters from using their main career services offices for recruitment. But in the 1990s, Congress passed a law — called the Solomon Amendment — that would deny federal funding to any university that did not allow military recruiters access to its campus.

[Peacetrain]

1. What this tells me about Kagan is that she is willing to take a stand when taking a stand is tough

2003... we are going into Iraq.. the whole country is on a drumbeat for war..

She took a stand against the military.. to support DADT.

[IndianaGreen]

2. and in 2005 she reversed herself when Harvard was threatened with loss of federal funds

let's get what little record there is!

[Peacetrain]

3. Sorry old gal... it took the greatest of guts in 2003..

[IndianaGreen]

4. She didn't set the policy, she defended an existing anti-discrimination policy

until it cost her money.

BTW, she is defending DOMA in her role as Solicitor General. If she was that principled in 2003, shouldn't she be principled in 2010?

[geek tragedy]

5. Her job was to do what was best for the school.

Not sacrifice its well-being for a political cause.

[IndianaGreen]

6. DADT is a human rights issue, not just a political cause

[FrenchieCat]

8. She did more than anybody else ever fucking did in reference to DADT

up to this point and that was back in 2003.

That was a huge fucking deal. War had just started, and she told
the military to kiss her ass.

What in the fuck did you do in 2003 to help the Human Rights cause
that made a difference? That's what I fucking want to know.

[IndianaGreen]

10. As a military veteran, I am active in veteran issues, including repeal of DADT

and you?

[FrenchieCat]

12. And.....she wasn't in the fucking military, and she still made a fucking difference!

Please, you need to get over yourself.

[IndianaGreen]

13. What difference did she make? She reversed herself in 2005!

And today she is arguing the government's side defending DOMA and DADT.

[FrenchieCat]

16. I just have to put you back on ignore.

With folks like you, we don't need no fucking actual opposition.

[bigwillq]

22. Is your hour up yet?

:shrug:

[Cha]

23. A lot less time is

wasted.

[boppers]

14. Over 300 million dollars.

That's what was on the line, whether *all* federal dollars could be with-held from Harvard (not just the law school), due to a congressional law over allowing military recruiting on campus.

[Peacetrain]

7. Citizens United? really... show me the money honey..show me what she said

[IndianaGreen]

9. Do you know Kagan's personal views on Citizens United?

I don't, and neither is anyone else in DU. Kagan's argument and brief in Citizen United are not her personal views, anymore than her defence of DOMA is. As Solicitor General she is representing the government's side.

[Peacetrain]

11. I never made the claim..

[FrenchieCat]

15. What does that even mean?

No one knows everyone's view about a whole lot of things.
It ain't always about what YOU know...it's about what the one
we elected to make these choices knows about what she knows.

When he announces her, I hope you will respect that the choice is made,
and you ain't gonna be trying to work against her with all of your insinuations
about really nearly nothing by your doomsday angs.

[Peacetrain]

17. Kagan was on the short list in 2009 also.. so I am confident the President

knows his nominee and what they stand for. He also taught with her I think.

:hi:

[IndianaGreen]

18. Faith based doesn't work

and Obama's decision making has been spotty, e.g., escalation in Afghanistan, offshore drilling, etc.

[CTLawGuy]

19. you mean oppose DADT

?

[Peacetrain]

20. Yes that is exactly what I meant...

I can see how that is misread.. :hi:

She took it all the way to the Supreme Court, which will be conveniently ignored by some who just are going to go anti Obama on everything...And the right is gearing up to royally roast her over a roaring fire of hate.

I wonder how many will come to her defense?

[NJmaverick]

21. K & R