Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

What is your initial reaction to the Kagan selection - support, oppose, withholding judgment?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:05 AM
Original message
Poll question: What is your initial reaction to the Kagan selection - support, oppose, withholding judgment?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:07 AM
Response to Original message
1. Support.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:11 AM
Response to Original message
2. I put other because I'm a qualified supporter
I have posted a few places that as of now I'm o.k. with her nomination
I recognize that it is hard to know what people will do once they get on the Court
Many presidents have found that out, much to their chagrin: Bush I, Ford, Nixon, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, etc

The reasons for opposition have been unconvincing and at times silly: "She's friends with Scalia." was one persons concern

Obama has made one appointment to the bench and I am very happy with the decision
At this point I have seen nothing that makes her unqualified to sit.
I realize qualified is different than supporting.
I lean in her favor, but am not a true supporter
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:14 AM
Response to Original message
3. Support as of now. I have seen no reason not to. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:18 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. I'm with you. I like her stand on DADT and on corps lobbying.
I'm hesitant on what exactly she supports with regard to executive powers. Need clarification there.

I think the hearings will be most instructive....let's wait and see...if she's good she's good for a VERY long time....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:14 AM
Response to Original message
4. I support it. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:23 AM
Response to Original message
6. It appears to be a baldly political appointment. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:34 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. You should qualify that statement....
It is a baldly political opointment, which wouldn't be a bad thing. If the politics of it were nominating someone who would appeal to the democratic base of voters with a clear and solid liberal record.

But this is a baldly political move in the Obama way which is to avoid fights and try to continue getting that coveted and elusive "bipartisanship" which is just never going to happen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. Good point; I'd prefer a political appointment that was not so "bald", one
that addresses the pro-corporate judicial activism of SCOTUS.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #6
49. The President is a politician
Almost everything he does is political. Just like every other president.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:36 AM
Response to Original message
8. Toward the last week or so I was very taken by Judge Wood but support
Elena Kagan.

I think she is going to do just fine in the confirmation process, too.

That little pissant Jeff Sessions better bring his best game to those hearings.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:39 AM
Response to Original message
9. Glad the pick is a woman - there should be six, given the population...
Beyond that, we'll see.

I think it's sick that Republicans appoint right-wing nuts like Scalia and Dems pick middle of the road judges - when liberals have always led the way when it comes to rights and justice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:10 AM
Original message
Oh, it's only Judicial Activism when "the Left" (Ha!) does it..
"Democracy" is supposed to define our rights, not judges.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:01 AM
Response to Original message
15. You're the only one talking about judicial activism...
I'm suggesting Democratic leaders stop being afraid to appoint liberal judges - Republicans are certainly not afraid to appoint right-wing judges.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Judicial Activism has been the subject of at least a few of the President's quotes on this subject.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #9
35. The population is 2/3s female? I never realized that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:56 AM
Response to Original message
11. Just think what it would be if
McCain was President. That sheds a different light on it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:10 AM
Response to Original message
12. I read so much negative stuff about her on DU I'm withholding judgment
I didn't know Kagan from Eve when I first heard that she was a likely court appointment. Then I saw her name popping up on posts here at DU. As I read things like "she will make the court more conservative" and "she's in bed with Goldman Sachs" I began to form a negative opinion of her.

Now that the appointment has become fact, I'm waiting, while I do a bit more research on her, to see the reaction of Boner, McConnell and other prominent congressional republicans. If they adamantly oppose her, I'm for her. If they sound tepid in their opposition I'm still on the fence. And in the very unlikely case that they support her, I'm opposed to her appointment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:12 AM
Response to Original message
13. Support....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:22 AM
Response to Original message
14. "Other" Not only don't I know enough to like or dislike the choice, I can't imagine...
what my "support" would mean.

Just what is this "support" I keep hearing about? Are there people here who have enough clout to affect such a decision?


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dumpdabaggers Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
17. Not my choice but I support it.
After all, she is pro choice, seems to be an advocate for gay rights, she is smart as hell, and is much better thany anythign McCain could have picked.

Can you all imagine if McCain had won? We would be looking down our noses at a 7-2 conservative court.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dumpdabaggers Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Had McCain won we would have a 7-2 right wing court.
Scary.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
29. Yep, pro-Gay Rights and pro-Choice. Two of the more important types of cases likely to come before
the court. Hard not to like.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:06 PM
Response to Original message
19. I'm disappointed that Obama did not pick someone who would put some
geographic, religious and non-Ivy League diversity in there.

Justice Stevens was from Chicago and graduated from Northwestern undergrad and law school.

Couldn't Obama find someone like him in those ways.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
28. She taught Law in Chicago. That ought to count for some... n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
20. Leaning toward Support but would like to hear more during her hearings
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 06:01 AM
Response to Reply #20
41. I'm on withhold until I see her hearings and read more about her. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:56 PM
Response to Original message
21. I support her nomination. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
22. I am leaning toward support.
I think we need to see the confirmation hearings but honestly this article told me the most about her: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/10/us/politics/10kagan.html?partner=rss&emc=rss From this, she seems adept at building consensus and bringing people together on something. Not a bad type of person for the SC.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:22 PM
Response to Original message
23. Other: uncomfortably disinclined to actually oppose pending getting some handle
on what she believes and how she intends to apply that to her judgments.

I have questions that I think are crucial and if she dodges them then I'll have to be a sour grape that hopes for the best.

I think she is generally qualified but so was Robert Bork, qualified that is but far from acceptable. I'm not saying she's anything like Bork but other than trust Obama, I don't see any basis to know where she stands on anything unless (I think unfairly) her cases as Solicitor General are to be used as a guide, at which point I would have to vehemently oppose.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
24. Withholding judgement. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ticonderoga Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:45 PM
Response to Original message
25. I oppose.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:48 PM
Response to Original message
26. Well since Kagen was on the short short list the last time also...I have had the chance
to look at some of her stances.. granted she does not have a jurist trail except for one thing.. but I am okay with it as it stands and from what I have read
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:12 PM
Response to Original message
27. Opposed!
Dianne Wood would have been a solid progressive choice. Wood has a track record of defending civil liberties and opposing executive branch overreach. Kagan will move the Court further to the right.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 05:58 AM
Response to Reply #27
40. We don't know that. Justice Stevens on first glance is a WASP and a Republican.
Yet he was extremely liberal when it came to court cases and is considered the most liberal justice we've had. So I you have no way of knowing how she'll move the court---that's the most unfounded claim.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:19 PM
Response to Original message
30. Very skeptical
and at this particular time, there were more attractive choices for replacing Stevens. Considering that Ginsburg's probably going to retire shortly, and the Senate's not going to be any more favorable to nominees in the coming years- and never more than now, Obama should have kept this one in his hip pocket.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:54 PM
Response to Original message
32. I am very much looking forward to the hearings.
I don't see any red flag reasons to oppose her. Nor do I see anything that affirms her selection.

The fact that she clerked for Thurgood Marshall tells me almost all I need to know.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:56 PM
Response to Original message
33. I support her. First choice was Karlan, but Kagan will do just fine
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 05:53 AM
Response to Reply #33
39. Really? Why? I'm asking because I'm one of the withholders.
Edited on Tue May-11-10 05:54 AM by vaberella
I'd like to get as much input as possible before making a decision.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #39
48. Because
a) the little that I have read BY her, and the lot that I know OF her tells me she is brilliant.

b) she seems to be exceptionally likable. Doesnt mean she can charm Anthony Kennedy to death, but doesn't hurt on a court where we need that fifth vote.

c) She has been on a mission for this job since law school. There is a reason there is such a scant paper trail - she deliberately wanted it that way. That tells me a lot about how prepared and meticulous she is as a professional.

d) I like what she stands for culturally. She's a liberal New Yorker from the Upper West Side. I'm guessing I will agree with her 90% of the time.

:)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:04 PM
Response to Original message
34. From what I've read, I would have liked Sid Thomas more,
but I like Kagan too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 03:59 AM
Response to Original message
36. Other - she is smart and will probably not be a bad justice, but we
should have had a solid liberal, which we will never get with Obama as our president.

Mildly disappointed, but it is not unexpected.

mark
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 05:25 AM
Response to Original message
37. Interesting. Half support and another 25 percent are withholding judgment.
Less than 25 percent are unhappy (squeaky wheels).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #37
45. That's almost always the case
There is a psychological explanation related to intelligence, ego and a need to be right, but I would get crucified if I were to elucidate further. :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 05:52 AM
Response to Original message
38. I'm withholding judgement overall but I love that she's a METS fan. ^_^ n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:38 AM
Response to Original message
42. she is a blank slate who has gone out of her way to be that -
as her critics have pointed out - so, I think her confirmation hearings are going to be important.

Especially since she is on record as saying that nominees should make their positions clear.

In replacing the most liberal member of the Court, it's important that we choose someone who doesn't move the court even farther to the right than it already is.

I am, at this point, withholding judgment...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #42
43. I agree...
with all that you said. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:46 AM
Response to Original message
44. Tentative support
waiting to hear more about her.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
46. I support but have one question which I hesitate to ask


hoping to see an answer before I'm forced to ask DUers.

I'm not usually cowardly about asking questions - but this time I am.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 10:07 AM
Response to Original message
47. Withholding judgement until I learn more
Which is what I would think everyone would do considering she doesn't have much of a record.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 07:26 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC