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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:30 PM
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It's Going to Happen
While you’re sitting there listening to Limbaugh, or watching Beck – while you’re carrying a mis-spelled placard around with words like No amnety! or Make English our Offical Language, or some other slogan that slaughters the language you allegedly hold so dear – while you go teabaggin’ with your equally ill-informed neighbors, leaving no doubt in anyone’s mind about how ignorant you are – while you’re railing against the immigrants who are ruining the community you live in – while you’re tossing around words and phrases you think denote your superiority over non-White, non-Christians that actually demonstrate your inferior intellect, it’s going to happen.

Your son is going to meet some slope-eyed gook in his high school science class, and think she’s the most beautiful, articulate young woman he’s ever met. He’s going to dream about taking her to the prom – and eventually, he will. And your ravings about it will fall on decidedly deaf ears. He’ll start wondering why you’re such a bloviating idiot, incapable of seeing in her everything that he sees, plain as day.

Your daughter is going to go away to college. She’s going to room with a dorm-mate she finds fascinating and witty. When she finds out her roommate is a lesbian, it’s not going to change her affection or admiration for her one iota. She’s going to question exactly what it is about this lovely friend, and people like her, that you find so offensive. She’s going to start finding you and your ideas to be more offensive than anything her roommate has ever said or done.

Your youngest brother is going to follow in the footsteps of his father, his grandfather, and his uncles, and join the military. He’s going to be stationed somewhere in the Middle East. He’s going to become best friends with an Iraqi translator who shares his love of the same books, the same music, the same art. He’s going to wonder why you think his new friend is so vastly “different” because they don’t practice the same religion – when, in fact, they are so similar in so many respects. He’s going to realize that you’re a narrow-minded jerk – and a lot less of a “good Christian” than you’ve always professed yourself to be.

Your favorite cousin is going to “come out” at a family reunion. He’s going to introduce his partner to everyone in attendance, and proudly so. Some of your family members will embrace the idea – some won’t. But those who do will start seeing you as a mindless homophobe, and will be grateful that their favorite cousin didn’t wind up with someone as blatantly narrow-minded as you take pride in being.

Your best bud at work is going to invite you to a meeting about joining a union. He’s going to explain to you why unions exist to protect workers’ rights, while you go on and on about socialism and communism (and all the other terms you don’t understand, but spew anyway by rote), and how the country is going down the toilet because workers are demanding safe working conditions and an honest wage. He’s going to realize you’re too deafened by talking points from the very people who don’t care whether you earn enough to look after your family to hear the facts that are in your own best interest.

Your wife is going to stop attending the church you and she have been members of for as long as anyone can remember, (at first with some sense of reluctance, and later with great enthusiasm), because she’s come to realize that the preaching of politics from the pulpit is as un-American as it is un-Christian.

She’ll remember that Jesus said to “render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s”. She’ll remember that Jesus admonished his followers to look after the poor, the homeless, the sick, and the helpless in His name – and she’ll recognize that these simple truths have been supplanted by political persuasion that preach the exact opposite behavior as being “Christian values” to be adhered to.

She’ll start wondering when the man she has shared a bed with for all of her adult life became too far removed from Christ’s teachings to recognize that they are being turned into something abhorrent, something so contrary to their purpose. She’ll recognize that the man she looked up to for years has turned out to be someone to be looked down upon – an easily-manipulated sheep, as opposed to the manly shepherd she once thought she’d married.

It is going to happen. And this is how.

The world, and the nation we live in, changes every day – sometimes by inches, often in movements too small to be detected in the great scheme of things.

But it is changing – one citizen at a time, one moment-of-truth at a time, one life-long friendship at a time, one realization at a time, one mixed-race baby at a time, one inter-faith marriage at a time, one welcome to the community regardless-of-where-you-came-from at a time, one I-love-you-no-matter-what-comes-our-way at a time, one I-will-stand-with-you-and-uphold-your-rights at a time, one Nation Indivisible by those who would divide us for their own purposes, whatever their purposes might be.

To say that it’s going to happen is to predict the inevitable. It is happening as we speak.

And it is as righteous and pre-destined as it is wondrous to behold.

This country has, from its inception, been shaped by those who refused to be identified with one religion, one ethnic background, one political persuasion, one opinion, one language, one culture, one perception, one way of thinking, being, or believing to the exclusion of all else.

The tapestry we have become is enhanced by its many colors, and strengthened by its many threads.

And so shall it always be. Amen.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:34 PM
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1. It's happening one by one Nance...
It is a slow tedious process but they too shall see the light....

Well done!:yourock:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:29 AM
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48. I know but I wish it would speed up
I am so sick and tired of the group of people republicans and tea bags that think they are the chosen in this country. How they ever came to put themselves over every one else is beyond me.

My three sisters were not raised that way, but all three have become so prejudiced so racist that I can't stand to go into a sensible conversation about politics with them, it is rush rush rush and Fox Fox Fox all the time.

And one more thing HOW DARE ARIZONA DENY THE STUDY OF NATIVE AMERICAN STUDIES. They were the first Americans and we stole this country from them.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:42 AM
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50. very difficult to "unmix" the paint... so the wealthy will need to find another route
once we are all just varying shades of color, and we have left "the" religon for "the belief in better life"...

the wealthy (BECAUSE IT HAS ALWAYS ONLY BEEN ABOUT CLASS WARFARE) will need to find a new way to divide us
---to make a man at the bottom of the pyramid VOTE for the benefit of the man at the top of that same pyramid

IT MAY NOT BE EASY, BUT EVEN NOW THEY SEEK WEDGE ISSUES... GUNS, ABORTION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER RIGHTS,

it is WHO they are
it is WHAT they do

and there is no STOPPING THAT BATTLE
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:35 PM
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2. profound.... and I don't need to say I hope it will happen, I know it WILL happen...
amen

:hug:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:36 PM
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3. good piece Nance. you have a way with words.
;)
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:42 PM
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4. but... but...
teh soshulizm...

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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:44 PM
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5. Yes...


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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:50 PM
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6. No choice but to KnR.
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:52 PM
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7. What a relevant and important piece of work, Nance. Thank you so much for saying this.
This piece should be required reading for anyone who continues to repeat the talking points of FOX, Beck, Rush or the rest of the RW media machine. They should take their fingers out of their ears and realize that the world does not revolve around the mantra of the Republican party and their prejudices. If such RW readers do absorb the gist of this essay, they may come away changed.

Yes, life changes all around us. We, in turn, must have open hearts and minds. Anything else is the reflection of the hatred, bigotry and paranoia of spokespersons who cannot deal with their own animus against difference and project that psychosis everyday across the airwaves.

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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:02 PM
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8. Patience. Such a lesson
Edited on Wed May-12-10 09:02 PM by texastoast
with which so many have such a hard time.

I see promise with the young. I hope they don't turn into the boomers who forgot the window of illumination.

You said it so well.

:toast:
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:04 PM
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9. Nice. I see these things happening. I'm old and I like your "..changes every day-
sometimes by inches, often in movements too small to be detected.." That's what I've seen. Patience is needed to believe it.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:06 PM
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10. I think you can be eleven years old or a hundred and eleven years old and
still want to root for the son who falls in love with that Asian woman, and for the epiphany the woman has about the tenets of the ministry of Jesus, and for the other good things that could very well happen whether the Far Right wants them to or not.

This posts shines light where it needs to be shone.

Bravo.

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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:11 PM
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11. Beautiful work, Nance, and I hope you are correct....
but today, I just don't have enough faith that the RW's have enough intelligence to ever change.

Doesn't mean I can't dream of the day....



:)
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:24 PM
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12. Your words always evoke some emotion.
You have no idea how many times I've cheered at my computer while reading one of your rants, how many times I've joined you in outrage, how many times I've laughed out loud in delight over your clever turning of phrases. With this one, I cried.

I am so very thankful to share threadspace with you in our rambunctiously vibrant tapestry! The future we are weaving will be, at the very least, colorful.


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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:31 PM
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13. Wow-so true, and so well-put. K&R.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:32 PM
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14. Your posts are one reason I continue to keep coming back to DU.
There was another, but I can find those posts elsewhere.

You manage to cut through the BS and get to the heart of the matter.

Thank you Nance.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:33 PM
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15. This really resonates with me being a daughter of conservatives.
I DID meet meet people different then me in college. I did have friends of different races that my parents reacted negatively toward. I still love them but I hate their views and prejudices. It is tough to make your own way out from under their shadow and sometimes they cast a really long one. Mine were not the religious fundie type, but conservative nonetheless.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:54 PM
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16. Ok, this one goes in and stays in the top 10 for sure.
Tis the beauty and strength of this country, a shame so many are blinded to it. Poor, ignorant sods.

Well done Nance.

Julie
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:56 PM
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17. I like the hope-y change-y thing
This was especially nice after spending my evening listening to Faux viewers telling me (a) how bad Europe is, (b) how bad unions are (THEY are behind our terrible deficits dontcha know!), and (c) how ineffective Obama is.

I wonder what their children (and grandchildren!) think of them and their opinions ...

And as for current American Christianity ... my daughter says, "They've screwed the pooch. My generation wants NOTHING to do with Christianity."
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:06 PM
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18. Thanks, Nance - always so cogent and moving
Miss you around here! Yours was one voice always worth readng here.

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:06 PM
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19. This is prophetic
You can't stand in the same river twice.

"Well, look at all the children living in the streets
And they're looking, not afraid to touch each other.
They're not afraid to be themselves or someone else
or choose their friends with love and not by color."

"Never treat a brother like a passing stranger.
Honey, won't you always try to keep the love light burning.
Sing a song of love and open up your heart,
For you might be the prince of peace returning.
Yeah, you might be the prince of peace returning."

"Prince of Peace Returning"
(Leon Russell)
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:33 PM
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20. I guess you haven't noticed
The country is moving ever further to the right. It's nice to think that people can change. But not in this country, simply won't happen.









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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:55 PM
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21. This is a disgrace.
Using innocent children as propaganda tools. It's child abuse.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:33 AM
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30. There is an advantage to being of a "certain age" ...
At the same time you come to miss the passion of youthful cynicism, you learn to dismiss its naivete.

An ever-changing world is not a matter of right or left, nor even right or wrong - it is the result of nature taking its inevitable course.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:52 AM
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41. So you think that goodness and altruism is nature inevitable course?
When all of human history shows that to be incorrect. Don't get me wrong, I think living in a world that resembles Star Trek TNG would be great. I just really don't see it happening. Humans are too greedy and fearful and will always be as such.
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:01 AM
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44. Yes
Because greed and selfishness destroy themselves out of greed and selfishness. Not overnight, and never permanently, but they always do.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:42 AM
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59. And they always reemerge
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:36 PM
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73. It's not a matter of altruism ...
... it's a matter of human nature.

The people who are now railing about "keeping the white race pure" are pathetic (for a myriad of reasons), but mostly because they are too clueless to notice that this is a tide that will never be turned back.

When I was a kid, an inter-racial couple was a scandal; now it is commonplace. As the world gets ever smaller, due to easier access to travel and the internetz, people of different cultures, religions, languages, etc. will inevitably form relationships with each other. Barriers will continue to be broken down.

My Irish grandfather firmly believed that people should "stick to their own kind"; they should socialize with, befriend, and of course marry someone of the same ethnic background, the same religion, the same "complexion".

His very Irish surname is now being carried on by his two great-grandsons - who are a mix of Irish, Italian, German and Korean. They are not the end result of altruism on anyone's part. They are the result of people who rejected the "stick with your own" notion that permeated their forbears' generation - a notion which loses ground with every new generation that follows.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:55 AM
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52. how many of those kids don't even understand what those signs say?
and how many will be afraid to tell their parents they are gay or that they are in love with a person of a different color because of their parents close mindedness. the parents will end up losing out because their kids will drift away and they will hardly see them or their grandkids. and somehow they'll blame minorities or someone else for that when in fact it will be because of their own selves.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:10 PM
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22. It's not only going to happen, my dear Nance...
It is happening.

Small increments in some places...

Large increments in others...

But yes.

Beautifully said, as always!

K&R

:hug:
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:50 PM
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23. From your keyboard to well you what they say.
We are not worthy of thy kindred.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:59 PM
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24. but English was good enough for Jesus
and I won't speak anythin' but the King's english in these here younited states!

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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:21 AM
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25. Shame in the human condition is easy to find with muck bleeding into the ocean.
The pride and resilience you write with remind me how much better than that we can be.

Thanks.
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subject Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:38 AM
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26. Thanks
I needed that.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:38 AM
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31. Thanks.
I needed that.

Welcome to the family, subject.

:fistbump:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:04 AM
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27. Amen, Nance. Amen.
The times they are a'changing, as Dylan said. They always have; they always will. No matter how many misspelled signs and hateful words spew forth from those people, it's changing. And to that, I say Amen.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:12 AM
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28. One of your best, kiddo...
But I think that every damned time I read one of yours....

K&R.

Brilliant.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:30 AM
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29. Yes indeed Nance!
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:00 AM
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32. made me think of aunt camille
Edited on Thu May-13-10 03:13 AM by DesertFlower
and uncle eddy. they were totally accepting when denis brought ron home. and that was in 1972.


:hi:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:15 AM
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34. You know me too well ...
... I thought of that most of all as I wrote this.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:24 AM
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35. well i guess we should tell our friends
at DU that ron is korean.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:13 AM
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33. Beautiful.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:29 AM
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36. In-laws of a cousin adopted an African-American child, introducing him to the family
last year, and no one, not even the right-wingers, exhibited the slightest negative reaction, not even after the newly expanded family went home. I knew, then, that attitudes were changing.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:37 AM
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37. Interesting how one group got the italicized slur. Why none for the lesbian, or Iraqi?
Don't they have slurs for those people too?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:50 AM
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38. Excellent, Nance! And I can't wait until reality smacks them upside
the head. Great writing, as usual! :hug:
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:57 AM
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39. When listing off the mis-spelled words of the morans...
...it's important to include "NO PUBIC OPTION"...just for a laugh.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:49 AM
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40. Amen and Hallelujah!
:applause:
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N_E_1 for Tennis Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:58 AM
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42. K & R + +++
The "New" American Dream. Let us hope and pray, work and toil to see this dream come true.

Thanks Nance!
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:59 AM
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43. In the words of Slim Pickens....
"You use your tongue better than a twenty-dollar whore"

And I say that with the utmost affection and admiration.

:hi:
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:06 AM
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45. Thank you
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:07 AM
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46. Amen.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:18 AM
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47. Good Morning Ms Nance
Well it is raining here in the motor city this morning and I am home from work. I got online this morning and what do I see? A brilliant piece of work written by a sincere heart. Yes the world is changing, and we know some would like it to stay the same. With every step we take in progress there will be progression. Meaning, when they invented the airplane they only thought of faster transport and the ability to fly like the birds. But the unseen things were there,like opening the doors to new countries and people.Yes its going to happen. For those who don't believe it they have looked at too many main stream media outlets instead of looking ahead. They choose to look at the past as the steps for the future. Instead of looking at the past as life lessons. With every new day, comes the chance for new experiences.

You my dear have captured the hearts of many through your words. Please keep up your encouraging,insightful,and talented work. Amen. With Deep Respect,Ms. Tinamotorcity:applause: :applause: :applause:
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12AngryBorneoWildmen Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:36 AM
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49. Really Nice nt
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:51 AM
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51. I'm Not Always In Agreement With You, BUT On This Issue I Have
FIRST HAND knowledge. My sister who lives in Texas, who I love dearly, is pretty much a fundamentalist Christian who loves The Idiot Bush!

She has TWO grandchildren who BOTH married Hispanics and is now a great-grandmother! (She became a grandma at 17) She loves those kids with all her heart, but I suspect (without her saying it) that she may have had some reservations. Thankfully, having a certain grace and having been brought up in the family she was, she realizes that the color of "their skin" can be overlooked. NEVER once has she made ANY remark in the negative and I applaud her for that!

While we no longer discuss politics because we have long since decided to agree to disagree, I still have 4 other sisters who are relatively progressive but not as LIBERAL as I am.


Just decided to share!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:50 PM
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82. And I thank you for sharing, ChiciB1 ...
I have been extremely lucky in that my sisters (five of 'em!) are all very liberal-minded, live-and-let-live people.

It always breaks my heart when I read posts on DU about families being torn apart by differing politics, differing ideologies - and, as I say, I count myself lucky that no such discord in my family has ever intruded on family gatherings, holidays, etc.

I, like you, have seen how grandchildren can break down barriers, though - amazing how that happens!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:01 AM
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53. It's happening one by one ~ so right
My friend is Japanese Hawaiian and her daughter married an African American.

My friend cried silently for so long because her husband would not let the new husband into their house for 3 years, nor his daughter and the adorable little boy.

Finally, after 3 years, he saw the handsome boy child.
Since her birth he has let the sweet girl into the house.

The boy is now 6 and brilliant, just as handsome as can be and the parents are wonderful as a couple.

I recently attended the 1st Birthday Party for their baby girl -- she is a beauty! It is the custom to give HUGE Birthday Parties for the 1st year of life. There were more than 50 people at her birthday party!

Here is this grandfather, reaching for the precious girl to hug and she screamed and wiggled her way out of his arms. He was so embarrassed.

Everyone there took note and secretly enjoyed the scene.
I think grandpa learned his lesson.

Inch by inch it is happening and it is a beautiful thing to watch.

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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:03 AM
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54. Sustained applause!
Always great writing and now we learn that your psychic abilities are finely tuned. Thanks for another great essay, Nance. :kick: & R
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:09 AM
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55. Wow. Beautiful and amazing!
K&R!
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:14 AM
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56. Good one, recommended. nt
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:16 AM
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57. I wish
I shared your optimism! It's sad to say, but stupidity is contagious, intelligence isn't. This oil spill could REALLY be the big one, and most people in this country are oblivious to it. Thinking is a thing of the past. While every thing you say about the growth of our nation is true, the number of those who refused to "be identified with one religion, one ethnic background, one political persuasion, one opinion, one language, one culture, one perception, one way of thinking, being, or believing to the exclusion of all else" is shrinking. We have some real tests coming up soon. I hope we pass them!
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:28 AM
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58. Excellent post. So true so true
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:18 AM
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60. You lost me at the racial slur...
You managed to use an italicized offensive term to describe Asian women, but that is where you stopped. Why?

All of your other examples could have had EQUALLY offensive labels, yet you stopped short and used non-offensive language. Why?

I submit that it was not a necessary device to begin with...

I agree with the sentiment of the piece though...
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:58 PM
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66. I was trying to figure that out too.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:29 PM
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74. I agree with you. nm
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:30 PM
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81. I could have littered the piece with the usual racial slurs ...
... we're all familiar with.

Not doing so was a deliberate decision on my part; I felt that one example was sufficient to make that particular point.

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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:01 PM
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89. What was the point?
That offensive terms exist for people? We know that.

It was an ignorant decision, for you allowed your op to give that racist slur continued power...without YOUR utterance it would have lost a little more power and would have slipped one step further into obscurity.

Until we allow those words that bind, hinder and destroy to slip away from the common dialog of the people we will never be free of their ability to cut, divide and deride those we love...even if it was done "to make that particular point."

One. Word. At. A. Time.

That is how we change the dialog.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:51 PM
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90. My OP on a message board ...
... gave a racial slur "continued power".

You must be joking.

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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 07:33 AM
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91. Not joking.
It offended people.

The power to offend - Your OP - even if it was three people, even if it was one. Does it make a difference?

If I whisper a racial slur in an elevator and only one person hears it and is offended, did I give the word power? The power to offend. My utterance of the word continued its line of pain...pain born does not die quickly.

Reread your OP and mentally take out the racial slur. I think you will find it was not necessary.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 04:07 PM
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93. It was not a matter of necessity ...
... but a matter of wanting to evoke a certain distaste to set the scene, if you will.

I chose to use one example of a slur, knowing that most readers would immediately mentally replace it with whatever racial slurs were prevalent in their lives - depending on where they grew up, what group of "them" were moving into their communities to the outrage of the neighbours, who their parents didn't want them to socialize with, etc.

To compare the use of such a phrase in an article about bigotry to actually using it in conversation - in an elevator or anywhere else, overheard or not - is, IMHO, utterly ridiculous.

I doubt that I have ever written anything here that someone, somewhere didn't find offensive in some way - real or imagined. That's just the way of the world, especially on a political website where some very not-so-pretty issues are explored on a daily basis.

If you find my writings offensive, there is always the option of simply ignoring them.
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:10 AM
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61. So beautifully written and so true. K&R
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:45 AM
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62. Too Right...
Every fundamentalist movement that attempts to suppress progress and liberty using a rigidly imposed dogma implodes from its own pathology.

Just look at the number of Constipated Conservative Christians that are found, pants down with a live boy or a dead girl. Look at the death spiral of the Contract on America. Look at the hypocrisy and hubris of the Republican Birch Society and their tea-bagger shock-troops. Old white men live out the ends of their lives in desperation and fear trying top impose a bygone mythology on the next generation.

Frankly the next generation just doesn't give a shit what they think.

Its Gonna Happen.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:45 AM
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63. One of your best ever.
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Guilded Lilly Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:51 AM
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64. So mote it be. (n/t)
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:52 AM
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65. K&R - Excellent Nance.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:21 PM
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67. p.s., if you're the Duggars, the odds say that at least 2 of your kids are gay.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:45 PM
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68. K & R!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:08 PM
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69. they don't call America a melting pot for nothin'...
Well stated. So many of the people I grew up with are not frightened middle aged men and women who want everything to be just like it was when the only "colored" person who lived in Westlake was an exchange student from Ghanna...
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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:10 PM
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70. Very well said
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:16 PM
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71. Nance Greggs. No words. Just. Sheesh. Carry on. n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:17 PM
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72. ((( STANDING OVATION )))))
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:32 PM
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75. rec- Well put Nance. And in some ways the Corp Media is helping.
The other day I saw Wanda Sykes on the Ellen Show. That would not have been possible 10 years ago.
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:52 PM
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76. Beautiful.
Edited on Thu May-13-10 04:00 PM by cilla4progress
Thank you so much. I too have often thought about our biracial / triracial families coming up in our society, and how that is a move in the right direction. (Note my sign off, too...I hope / believe we are moving in the right direction on many levels.)

But the larger point is, I want to share your amazing and inspiring comments here with friends and loved ones. This my new prayer. I am going to make this the last post I read this afternoon, before going back out in the sunshine to my gardening and animals. It comes at very challenging times for me personally, and, obviously, for our country and our world.

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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:05 PM
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77. To sum it all up, up to now thank God, reality has had a liberal bias.
Otherwise, we'd still be in caves fighting the conservatives who would be stopping us from trying such a daring experiment.

At the speech Colbert gave in front of Bush he originally made that statement. When I started thinking about it I realized that indeed, for all the reasons given by the OP, reality does have a liberal bias.

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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:15 PM
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78. I wish there was an OP exchange with FreeRepublic
or some other right wing site the mirror opposite of DU, because the ones that you are trying to enlighten with this OP and many other brilliant ones you've written, even though I love them, are kinda wasted here.

I'd love it if the Administrators of DU would reach out and suggest to Free Republic or some other similar conservative board that once a month say, an OP from each others sites will be prominently posted on the front page. All in the interest of communication.

Of course there will be screaming and gnashing of teeth from both sides, and I can just imagine the comments, but dang that would be great. I'd gladly wade through some bigoted rant on this site in order to know that some of "those" had the opportunity at least to get some education from such an elegant writer like yourself.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:25 PM
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79. Be the change you wish to see in the world. Thank you, Nance.
You are the change, and it is in all of us.
:yourock:
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vincenzoesq Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:20 PM
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80. Another great post, Nance
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:41 PM
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83. You are on a roll girl!!
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:44 PM
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84. I've been one of these baby steps
I married a slant eye when overseas in the 60s. My folks never did anything but embrace her - she, I'm sorry to say - didn't return the gesture. But that wasa her problem - not one of society. What DID catch my ignorant ass by surprize was when we bought a home in a staunchly white neighborhood just outside Atlanta. Heh! I only learned a few year later that our moving in was THE talk of the neighborhood. How DARE that fella move here with that darkie??? She and I parted ways in '81, but I've found out she's buddy-buddy with the residents of her street.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:12 PM
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85. I believe Chris Rock said something similar, only about hating black people.
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judesedit Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:42 PM
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86. Amen. Excellent piece, Nance.
Thank you. I needed that.
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:40 PM
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87. I enjoyed this post. thx
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:02 PM
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88. Kick & Rec # 196 anyway.
Too good to let some time line limit my late viewing.
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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 08:17 AM
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92. I needed some hope, Thanks
Too late to Rec, but here's a kick

:kick:
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:09 PM
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94. I don't know if that is true.
My sister, president of her little tea party group, has a daughter in a serious relationship with an Asian-American man and her family loves him.
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