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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:05 AM
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The damn GOP blamed Jimmy Carter for 3 years for the economy........
that Reagan inherited. Any economic issue was because of Carter, not Reagan.

Now those asswipes are saying the economy belonged to Obama from day one.

I know they are hypocritical assholes but why doesn't everyone else?

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:10 AM
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1. That is, as we say, a dog that won't hunt....
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:15 AM
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2. That is good, but the GOP is still saying it.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:51 AM
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8. Republicans lie.
They think it's a virtue.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:22 AM
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3. The most recent Newsweek expose on Republican presidents says it all...
Go check it out and show it to anyone who claims that "it was all Clinton and/or Obama's" fault.

The thing that infuriates me to no end is that Democrats themselves bought into the demonization of my beloved Jimmy Carter. Even many Democrats voted for Ronald Reagan, believing the bullshit about Carter.

Every since then, the Democrats/liberals have done a piss poor job defending themselves and fighting back against right wing lies. The wingnuts could never win on the issues. Two things they do well: destroy the economy and start wars. And yet, since they cannot run on their own policy records, they tend to reintroduce the "culture wars". The branded themselves as the party of family values and people just buy into that, hook, line and sinker.

If Dems/liberals ever expect to change the parameters of the narrative, they need to start fighting back and FIGHTING HARD!!!!!

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/237737

Some facts from the article on the last 5 Republican presidents, all of which would fail the "conservative purity test" today...

Nixon:
Nixon repeatedly set wage and price controls, prompting economic adviser Herbert Stein to later declare that his boss had imposed "more new regulation ... on the economy" than "any other administration." The top tax rate went up during Nixon's first three years in office. He even increased spending on federal employees. Worst of all, Nixon was the guy who detached the dollar from the gold standard—a move that would've done little to endear him to the gold bugs who now dominate the Glenn Beck wing of the GOP.

Reagan:
During the Reagan years, federal employment grew by more than 60,000 (in contrast, government payrolls shrunk by 373,000 during Bill Clinton's presidency). The gap between the amount of money the federal government took in and the amount it spent nearly tripled. The national debt soared from $700 billion to $3 trillion, and the U.S. transformed from the world's largest international creditor to its largest debtor. After 1981, Reagan raised taxes nearly every year: 1982, 1983, 1984, and 1986. The 1983 payroll tax hike even helped fund Medicare and Social Security—or, in terms today's Tea Partiers might recognize, "government-run health care" and "socialism."

George H. W. Bush:
..he'd once called Reagan's supply-side proposals "voodoo economics"—Bush agreed in 1990 to break a campaign promise ("Read my lips: no new taxes") and accept some tax increases to accompany his preferred spending cuts. The plan would've slashed the deficit by $500 billion over the next five years, but the GOP wasn't in a cooperative mood, and it was defeated in Congress. Nonetheless, Bush's final budget increased the marginal tax rate, phased out exemptions for high-income taxpayers, and kept the capital-gains tax in place—moves that angered conservatives then and would still anger them today. What's more, Bush also wound up bailing out the savings-and-loan industry with $126 billion in taxpayer money, which directly contradicts the " oppose bills like Obama's stimulus" section of the RNC's purity test. Strike one, strike two.

George W. Bush:
During his first term, Bush Jr. was widely seen as the most conservative president in U.S. history. After all, his tax cuts were even larger than Reagan's. The problem, of course, was that his government and his deficits were larger as well. During his eight years in office, Bush transformed surpluses equal to 2.5 percent of GDP into deficits equal to 3 percent of GDP—a $4 trillion hit on the country's balance sheet. All told, by the end of Bush's term, the national debt stood at $11.3 trillion—more than double what it was when he took office. It's tough to see how a party that now professes to support "smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits" could possibly back him if he were running for office today.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:25 PM
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12. The corporatemedia has done a stupendous job
of brainwashing the public..that needs to end and I see encouraging signs with this Obama Admin in charge.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:24 AM
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4. Sustainability. Carter's the only president in my memory who "got it".
Well, except for the current president, who's faced with more shit to deal with than the past seven presidents combined.

Carter understood sustainability, but the greedy would have none of that.

Since his presidency, we haven't become more "exceptional", we have become more arrogant.

:mad:
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:27 AM
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5. There are farmers who still rail on Carter for his grain embargo,
saying it was the death of the family farm.
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daylan b Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:28 AM
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6. Blaming presidents for recessions is stupid all the way around.
...and is nothing more than a game people who care more about red/blue than reality play.

I kidded quite a bit during the Bush/Gore campaign that it was just a race to see who would be blamed for the economic downturn.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:55 AM
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9. Some people believe presidents can't affect the economy much
but the assumption that they can and do is so prominent in Republican rhetoric that they are stuck with it.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:34 AM
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7. Why doesn't everyone else?
Because Obama doesn't remind people enough.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:21 AM
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10. When you own the media, you drive the message
Republicans are experts at spin and lying so they can do it with ease.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:30 PM
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11. Amazingly, Bush's shit economy in 2008 was Clinton's fault according to Republicans
Edited on Thu May-13-10 01:30 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
And Clinton's good economy was due to Bush. So...anything is possible.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 10:40 AM
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13. stagflation-stagflation!!!
Republicans would still be blaming our economy on Jimmy Carter if Obama wasn't President. And they never gave Clinton credit for the boom and surpluses of the 90's.

Jimmy Carter had a great energy policy..a windfall profits tax on big oil companies and investment of that revenue into renewable forms of energy! if Republicans hadn't ditched that policy in the 1980's, we wouldn't even be discussing energy policy today.

Republicans blamed "inflation on high taxes and record spending", but they favor ditching the progressive income tax in favor of a stagflationary regressive Sales Tax..and call it FAIR. :banghead:

Jimmy Carter best represents "Habitat for Humanity"..Republicans "Foreclosure on Humanity"!
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