Wait a minute. DUers are upset that Obama mention 9/11 multiple times?

[wndycty]

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around why folks would get upset that Obama mentioned 9/11 multiple times when discussing Afghanistan. Don't folks realize how the hell we got there?

Its not like he is talking about Iraq, he was talking about Afghanistan, which the overwhelming number of Americans felt it was acceptable to invade because of 9/11.

[VMI Dem]

1. "the overwhelming number of Americans felt it was acceptable to invade because of 9/11"

irony.

[polichick]

2. 9/11 is usually invoked as a fear tactic. nt

[NYCGirl]

5. Sometimes, it's history. NT

[Cha]

29. Yeah, when your mission isn't to compare President

Obama to bush.

[Clio the Leo]

6. So you've allowed the GOP to alter your perception of reality? NT

[polichick]

9. What a wild assumption. nt

[Clio the Leo]

37. Not nearly as strange as relegating 9/11 to mere political hype.

As a matter of fact, it's not strange, it's downright disgusting.

[polichick]

40. You obviously are reading all kinds of weird things into my factual post. nt

[Clio the Leo]

42. You're right....

.... sometimes it's best to just take what people say at face value and not try to read more into it than what's there. My apology.

We did not ask for this fight. On September 11, 2001, nineteen men hijacked four airplanes and used them to murder nearly 3,000 people.

They struck at our military and economic nerve centers. They took the lives of innocent men, women, and children without regard to their faith or race or station. Were it not for the heroic actions of the passengers on board one of those flights, they could have also struck at one of the great symbols of our democracy in Washington, and killed many more.

As we know, these men belonged to al Qaeda

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/obama-speech-text-afghanistan.html

[knightinwhitesatin]

51. Al Qaeda

who now resides in Pakistan.

[Clio the Leo]

56. al qaeda......

.... is all over the place ma love.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE58D54720090915

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/24/2009-11-24_eight_yanks_tried_to_recruit_for_qaedalinked_group__feds.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gbTiY90mWkm1Duf1DF6_n3WQPBmQ

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125850773065753011.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond

[knightinwhitesatin]

61. Cool

so the troop surge into NYC starts when?

Twist it however you want, you are knowingly giving consent to engineer the deaths of MANY MANY innocent Afghanis and a lot of American kids. I hope you sleep well.

[Clio the Leo]

65. ....

(edited to remove a subject I shouldn't have brought up to begin with)

You know, whenever someone was attempting to start a grass-roots movement, when they wanted to try to alter the course of history by convincing other people to join them in crying out against what they perceived to be a government that was acting improperly. They spoke to other people with words of compassion and brotherhood. They made their fellow citizens want to join with them not out of bitter in-fighting, instead, they found a common enemy and encouraged other people to rally against that enemy with them.

I'm not sure that snark-slinging ever won anyone any compatriots.

[knightinwhitesatin]

67. So am I

watching them bleed out 15 feet away......so forgive me for not being a fan of more death and war.

I am not going to lie, on health care, on Gitmo, on the economy, I am more than willing to follow the President into the flames. On the war, there is nothing he can say that will change my mind. I will not dishonor my dead friend by supporting a war that is a lie.

[IndianaGreen]

14. We've always been at war with Eastasia

until the Ministry of Peace tells us otherwise.

[Hansel]

48. By Bush. That doesn't mean it not legitimate for Obama to bring it up. nt

[optimator]

3. Lets roll

Afghanis hate us because we are free !
:sarcasm:

[polichick]

7. LOL

[Cha]

31. Stupid.

[Clio the Leo]

4. How soon we forget, huh? NT

[IndianaGreen]

8. Obama: a noun, and a verb and 9/11,

Conflating the Pashtuns of the Taliban with 9-11 and the Arabs of Al-Qaeda was shameful!

[polichick]

13. Definitely cringe-worthy. nt

[Connie_Corleone]

10. It helps perpetuate the "Obama equals Bush" myth.

If Obama ever mentions 9/11 then he's just like Bush.

:sarcasm:

[Sebastian Doyle]

11. Afghanistan had NOTHING to do with 9/11

NOTHING. And he should not be repeating the Chimp/PNAC lies about it.

[smalll]

19. Afghanistan had NOTHING to do with 9/11?????

No dear, that was IRAQ had nothing to do with 9/11 -- Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.

Afghanistan, the Taliban, and al Qaeda, whom the Taliban hosted, had a lot to do with 9/11. :shrug:

Here's wikipedia on the most noted of the 9/11 bombers, Mohammaed Atta:

Born in a small town in the Nile Delta, Egypt in 1968, Atta moved with his family to the Abdeen section of Cairo at the age of 10. Atta studied architecture at Cairo University, and went to Hamburg, Germany in 1992 to continue his studies at the Technical University of Hamburg, where he remained a student until fall 1999. In Hamburg, Atta became involved with the Al-Quds Mosque. At some point, he met Marwan al-Shehhi, Ramzi Binalshibh, and Ziad Jarrah who all became part of the Hamburg cell.

Atta disappeared from Germany for periods of time,

spending some time in Afghanistan, including several months in late 1999 and early 2000 when he met Osama bin Laden and other top Al-Qaeda leaders.

Atta and the other Hamburg Cell members were recruited by Bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for the "planes operation" in the United States.

Atta returned to Hamburg in February 2000, reported his passport stolen and obtained a clean passport.

In late March 2000, Atta began contacting flight schools in the United States, inquiring about training...

[IndianaGreen]

33. Hamburg is in Germany, not in Afghanistan

and none of the hijackers were Pashtuns, and bin Laden is in Pakistan.

[sabbat hunter]

60. actually it did

Afghanistan is where Al qaeda hid out, under protection by the Taliban. Afghanistan is where they did a lot of their early training, preparation. Afghanistan is where their leadership is at (was at? Possibly on other side of border now in Pakistan)

the lies that Chimpy tried to pass was that Iraq was somehow tied in, which it wasn't

[valerief]

12. I'm mad we're not getting out of Afghanistan. He can say 9/11 or 11/9 or yabba dabba do.

Just pull out.

[Peacetrain]

15. How can you talk about Afghanistan without referring to how we got there.. 9/11

And he did not use it a gazillion times.. it was in historical perspective.. I am afraid some have let their politics get ahead of their common sense in this matter..

[IndianaGreen]

21. bin Laden is in Pakistan, not in Afghanistan

If Obama had been President when Pearl Harbor was attacked, by his twisted logic he would be invading Mexico in retaliation.

[Peacetrain]

26. You cannot change history... The 19 took orders from Bin Laden who had

his training camps in Afghanistan.. The terrorists who struck out all across Europe and then the United States under the Bin Laden tutelage, were based in Afghanistan. Bin Laden is thought? to be in Pakistan now... do you want use to invade Pakistan? or push pressure from one side and the Pakistanis push on the other side?

[dave29]

28. Yes, I'm sure that's what would have happened

:shrug:

[Garam_Masala]

16. Good point! When I mention 911 here...

I get my ass chewed out.

[Posteritatis]

74. (Insert outraged tirade here)

;)

[NYC_SKP]

17. Not many DUers, really. A particularly loud minority. nt

[jenmito]

18. I KNOW! And as ProSense pointed out on a thread she started,

Obama mentioned Al Qaeda 21 times vs. BUSH mentioning al Qaeda 95 times in a speech against IRAQ!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=30134&mesg_id=30134

[bigjohn16]

22. And yet he's still escalating a war. nt

[jenmito]

25. And he gave a speech explaining why. I guess you didn't listen/don't care. n/t

[bigjohn16]

27. I listened and I don't agree. Sorry. nt

[jenmito]

41. What does your first comment to me have to do with the number of times

he mentioned al Qaeda?

[Posteritatis]

70. Mobile goalposts are everywhere tonight, pretty much. (nt)

[Cha]

32. Call it what you want..it's an Exit Strategy.

[bigjohn16]

34. Exiting through the entrance. That's a new one. nt

[Cha]

38. I've had enough of all the ignorant soundbytes.

[bigjohn16]

39. Like 9/11? nt

[jenmito]

43. What does mentioning 9/11 in a speech about Afghanistan have to do with Obama adding

troops like he said he was gonna do?

[bigjohn16]

47. The poster said they were tired of soundbytes.

9/11 is the most abused soundbyte for the past 8 years.

[jenmito]

49. "9/11" isn't a soundbyte. Saying, "We were attacked on 9/11" to justify why we're in IRAQ

is a soundbyte.

[bigjohn16]

53. Was it Joe Biden that said Rudy Giuliani says three things in a sentence

A noun, a verb and 9/11? It definitely is a soundbyte.

[jenmito]

55. YES-to justify going into IRAQ. They mentioned 9/11 in connection with Iraq. What don't you get

about that???

[bigjohn16]

59. I understand and it was wrong for them to do that.

Now the President is using it to escalate the war in Afghanistan and I think it's a mistake. He's using peoples fear of another terrorist attack to justify his actions.

[jenmito]

62. No he's not. He's just stating FACTS. n/t

[bigjohn16]

63. He's using the FACT! of 9/11 to send 30,000 more troops into a quagmire.

He's making a horrendous mistake.

[jenmito]

64. And he explained why very thoroughly-he did NOT use scare tactics to do it. n/t

[bigjohn16]

66. That's what 9/11 has become, a soundbyte to justify war.

Even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 it was used as a hammer to beat people into acceptance. There are less than 100 Al qaeda in Afghanistan and now the President says the main focus is the Taliban who had nothing to do with 9/11 and yet the first thing the President said was.....9/11.

[Hansel]

50. Unfortunately, way too many people on this board are too cynical to get that.

The whole speech tonight could be summed up in that phrase: "Exit Strategy". Good on you for pointing that out.

[Posteritatis]

69. Holy crap. Thanks for pointing that out! (nt)

[WeDidIt]

20. Even DENNIS KUINICH voted "Aye" for the Afghanistan war

There was a single dissenting vote in Congress from Barbara Lee.

EVERY LAST ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS VOTED ION FAVOR OF IT!!!

[bigjohn16]

Things change. nt

[IndianaGreen]

23. bin Laden is in Pakistan, not in Afghanistan

Look at a map!

[dave29]

30. Because it's just that simple!

Indiana Green could even lead you to the cave! ZOMFG!

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. Apparently President Obama doesn't know about the controlled demolition

[FrenchieCat]

35. I think that Bush pimped 9/11 so, until folks here forgot or don't care

that real civilians died there in New York.

I understand the repulsion,
but it ain't Obama that shouldn't be allowed
to use the fact that 9/11 did happen.

Ironic how the Left punishes the Democrat in office
for the actions of the Republican who just finally left!

[Raster]

36. 9/11 and bin Laden were "the reason" we started this latest Middle East tour, and...

...Afghanistan was the initial lucky recipient. We've now turned Iraq into UnitedStatesistan, we have no fucking idea if Osama even exists, we have killed or maimed over a million innocent Iraqis, killed or maimed over 40,000 Americans, drained the US treasury and now President Obama wants to go for Middle East Clusterfuck 2.

This country was terrorized by cheney*/bush* for eight years. The reason given was always 9/11. Eight years of continuous terror. Hell yes, we know how we got there.

[IndianaGreen]

44. C'mon, grab the poms poms and start shouting '9-11, 9-11, 9-11!'

Let's get on with the program people!

[Odin2005]

45. it gets Ward Churchill clones and the 9/11 Truther nuts go batty.

[ZombieHorde]

46. You make a valid point, but the Republicans have used 9/11 unscrupulously so many times,

knee-jerk reactions to the date are understandable. If someone is punched week after week, year after year, he or she will be more likely to flinch.

[Hansel]

52. Then it's time for a sincere leader to put it back in perspective and

show the respect for the event it deserves.

I suspect that when Obama mentions it his intentions are nothing like Bush's, but I certainly get your point.

[HughMoran]

54. You don't understand

You have to be a psychopath to understand these mcsphisticated things.

[alcibiades_mystery]

57. Truther morons are hard to reason with

[EFerrari]

58. Do you realize how we got there? Let's forget for a minute that AQ is not IN Afghanistan right now.

We invaded Afghanistan because Bush didn't give the Taliban the time they needed to ask their ISI patrons what to do about bin Laden.

THE TALIBAN DIDN'T ATTACK US on 9/11. They were just controlling some of Afghanistan at the time.

THE TALIBAN probably couldn't have given us bin Laden had they wanted to.

Now, do you understand why people are upset that Obama has to invoke 9/11?

[babylonsister]

68. Who attacked us? What was the name of the people who did this? nt

[EFerrari]

71. You know and I know it wasn't the Taliban and it wasn't Afghanis. n/t

[babylonsister]

72. So who? nt

[TexasObserver]

73. FAIL. Unrecommended.

[avaistheone1]

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