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Tue Dec-01-09 09:44 PM
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I'm not knee-jerking one way or the other -- I'm not convinced the president's plan is horrible, nor am I convinced it's correct.
The speech was VERY short on specific information. That I do see as a problem, in and of itself. He really does need to convince the public of the rationale for the plan, including a lot more information about the plan itself.
What exactly is the military supposed to accomplish, and how?
What exactly are the criteria for "success?"
How exactly is this a matter of our national security?
Who exactly is going to be in charge in Afghanistan after an army is formed?
What exactly is the plan regarding Pakistan?
How exactly is this necessary for securing loose nukes?
Which countries exactly are with us in this, and in what numbers, and on what conditions? (What's NATO's involvement? What's the position of the UN Security Council?)
I hope details will be explained tomorrow -- and repeatedly -- in very clear terms.
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Tue Dec-01-09 09:46 PM
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1. I wouldn't hold my breath. |
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Tue Dec-01-09 09:46 PM
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2. I think they will be..... |
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.... a lot of the MSNBC folks are saying the same thing.
But 1. I dont know how much strategy he can really give in a nation speech (that Bin Laden will be listening to tomorrow and recording a response to that we'll here in a week and a half lol)
and 2. if had answered all of those questions to everyone's satisfaction AND included all of the other things he needed to include. it would have been 3 hours long. ;)
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:01 PM
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9. Well, there's some room between saying nothing and speaking at length in great detail... |
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Just a sentence or three about each of those issues would have helped.
I expect details will have to be forthcoming.
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:08 PM
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15. If it gives you any comfort..... |
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..... yesterday, the press jumped on Gibbs when he said he didn't expect the President to address the cost issue in his speech tonight. You clearly heard him do so.
One of many personality strengths is that he listens to constructive criticism and corrects what needs to be corrected.
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Tue Dec-01-09 09:48 PM
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3. They're being asked to do something they're not very good at... |
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...be police. I hope this works, and I hope Obama knows something we don't, because I'm not at all optimistic. I'm hopefull, very hopefull. But not optimistic.
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Tue Dec-01-09 09:49 PM
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4. He wasn't there to give a 3 hour speech, |
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and provide all of America's specific tactics to each and everyone watching television.
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Tue Dec-01-09 09:49 PM
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5. Mission: Stop islamofacism, make someone pay for 9/11 and keep soldiers employed. |
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Until the economy gets better, that is.
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Tue Dec-01-09 09:56 PM
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6. Did you miss the "....Islam, one of the world’s great religions" bit? |
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Tue Dec-01-09 09:59 PM
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8. He/she may not have watched the speech...... |
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:01 PM
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10. "We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. |
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We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility." -George W Bush.
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:07 PM
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13. Are you alleging Shrub was a closet Muslin too? |
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:10 PM
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16. He had some high praise while waging unjustified war as well. |
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:16 PM
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17. Shrub's 'praise' amounted to: Islam is sorta as righteous as Christianity 'cos it sorta shares.... |
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...the same roots.
Obama's comment was, I think, sorta different.
:shrug:
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:19 PM
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18. He also used words like "crusade," touted his (supposed) Christian faith, |
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and said basically that he believed God wanted him to wage this war of Good vs. Evil.
I really don't think there's any comparison there.
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Tue Dec-01-09 09:59 PM
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7. I expect that is all you got out of it. |
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:03 PM
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11. I got me a guarantee of at least 18 more months of a war boner. |
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:06 PM
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12. I think if his speech had been all about a "war boner"... |
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... he'd have gone off about the need to stop islamofacism, make someone pay for 9/11 and keep soldiers employed.
But he didn't, actually.
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:08 PM
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14. Too bad you're such a jerk off. |
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Tue Dec-01-09 10:30 PM
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19. If there is a hallmark of Obama's personality |
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It is that he always tries to find the middle ground. He avoids controversy as much as possible and no thinking person could ever call him an extremist. Sometimes that is a great quality to have as a politician, but it can hurt you when you need to lead. This time I would like to have seen him take a bold stand and basicly call for an orderly withdrawal of troops.
We should "surge" into Afghanistan with things like sheep, chickens, greenhouses, seeds, tractors, irrigation equipment, building supplies, and enough money for the villagers that they don't need to take up arms on behalf of the various warring factions just to put food on the table. Most of the Afghans we are holding in prisons over there were hired to fight for about $5/day.
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