I hate Firedoglake

[CreekDog]

In a blog post today:

Reid Calls Cloture Vote On FinReg UPDATE: Motion Fails

"...So far, only Cantwell and Feingold have had the courage to oppose it."

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/05/19/reid-calls-cloture-vote-on-finreg/

[freddie mertz]

1. I don't get it.

Seems like a rather bland reportage sort of thing.

[BunkerHill24]

2. hence, you hate everyone of liberal!

[CreekDog]

3. I just don't have the courage to love them

:rofl:

[BunkerHill24]

4. me too...Me TOO ( grasps and kisses )...Gee! I can't have them nearby...can I ?

:pals:

[spiritual_gunfighter]

5. I love Firedoglake

this bill isn't reform, I totally support Cantwell and Feingold's votes.

[CreekDog]

7. I'm not criticizing their votes, I'm criticizing FDL for saying only they have courage

as if every other votes in favor of cloture means the Senator doesn't have courage.

[Sebastian Doyle]

8. It takes courage to stand up to the corrupt banksters

Feingold is usually on the courageous side of most things anyway. Cantwell is one of my senators, and admittedly her love of corporatism and DLC bullshit is often disappointing. But she's on the correct side here too.

We need REAL financial reform and this ain't it.

[CreekDog]

9. but do you agree that people like Sanders or Boxer who vote differently have a character flaw?

which is what lacking courage is?

simple question.

[Sebastian Doyle]

10. I would seriously like to know WHY Bernie or Barbara are on the wrong side of this

It's certainly out of character for them. Though I wouldn't necessarily call it a character flaw, just an anomaly.

[CreekDog]

12. Well Firedoglake *is* calling it a character flaw

*only* Cantwell and Feingold *have* the courage...

if you are not one of them, you don't *have* courage.

this is how Firedoglake plays. this is their schtick. don't do what they want, you have a character flaw.

this is what they do.

i hate them. i think it is they that have the character flaw.

[politicasista]

20. Same with some here

And a few in this thread. And they do this with Dems who are repeatedly trashed here.

If you do not do what they 100% want or put out a perfect bill/legislation, then you are:

1. Not liberal enough.

2. Have no courage (no balls or spine).

3. A DINO, DLC sellout corporatist (even the ones that have solid liberal/progressive records).

4. Bought by insurance companies.

5. And so on.


Never go to Firedoglake and do not plan on doing so anytime soon.

[ShortnFiery]

35. That's the point! They do have the courage NOW to state the obvious - this is NOT reform.

My heart sank when Kucinich folded on HRC but I guess he believed he could be more relevant "in office" than having the entire democratic establishment having him primaried-out in the future.

After all, look what happened to others for DARE speaking truth to power? But if you spend a brief moment to reflect on it, THEY WERE BASICALLY CORRECT. The complete information was not presented to the nation.

http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-anthony_zinni.jpg http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-thoughtcrime_cynthia_mckinney.jpg

The American people are being CONTINUOUSLY LIED to in this Nation.

We MUST DEMAND a more transparent and open governmental process.

[karynnj]

42. Why not take Kucinich's own explanation at face value?

Don't you respect him enough to do this. He was very clear in what he still thought wrong with the bill when he said he would vote for it.

[karynnj]

41. Maybe because the issue is less simple than you want to make it

You are making it a question of "will adding this amendment make it better". They may see it as the more ambiguous "Is this the best bill we are going to be able to get passed and signed into law" The latter is likely the question they are looking at.

[notadmblnd]

25. Of course they have character flaws.

The first one being greed, the second is allowing themselves to be beholding to corporations. Others include overinflated egos and a skewed sense of self importance. We could probably go on.. but nobody's perfect.

[karynnj]

40. Feingold is incredible on some things awful on others

He was one of the strongest speaking against the abuses of power in the Bush years. But, there are some issues where he has not been on the right side, when most of the party was.

Three big issues where he is not good are:
1) the environment. He voted to prohibit climate change from being done under reconciliation and he was one of the 14 coal Senators who demanded that coal power plants be given a pass - or he would vote against it.

2) He voted against last year's budget bill.

3) He has consistently voted for the AIPAC motivated resolutions that would harm diplomacy - look up the three Kyl amendments in the first half of 2009. These resolutions were defeated because of excellent arguments and work done by Kerry and Lugar.

I think the bill would be better if it included Cantwell's amendment, but I also know that to pass the final bill needs 60 votes. The Senate leaders' choice may be the bill without it or the status quo. A bill that can't pass won't be real anything.

I have not read anyone suggest this, but here is one nightmare scenario for the leadership that might be why they are not fighting to bring it to the floor. Ie - They think it a poison bill. If the amendment can pass with 50 votes, but the final bill needs 60, what happens if there really are 55 people in favor or at least willing to vote for the final bill with it included? If this is real and the leadership knows these counts, that means they need to get (in the case of 55 Senators - 6, who are for it but are not vulnerable, to vote against it ) if they do not want to sacrifice the bill for something they can't get.

[WeDidIt]

6. I can't say as I blame you

They are every bit as much the enemy, IMO, as the Republicans.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

11. You undermine your own arguments on DU

by saying inane bullshit like this.

[WeDidIt]

13. Firedoglake sure as shit opposes this administration

every bit as much as Free Republic.

Both are my political enemies.

[flamingdem]

14. The ego giants of the "progressive left" nt

[jefferson_dem]

15. How dare you smite the mighty Firebaggers!

They knoweth best for us alleth.

[WeDidIt]

16. Only Lord High Douchenozzle Greenwald speaketh more thruth than Jane of Hamsher n/t

[flamingdem]

18. Ms. Douche Nozzle LOL

wonder how much buckage she makes off her douchesnark. :eyes:

[Cha]

22. Greenham and toxic eggs make sureth they filleth

their coffers.

[flamingdem]

19. firecougarlake

HEAR ME ROAR!
:silly:

[WeDidIt]

45. Liardogfake

See my ad revenue.

:silly:

[AllentownJake]

26. You are a poster on an internet message board

You don't have political enemies.

When you run for office or are involved in the party in some capacity like as an officer you can say you have political enemies.

[pundaint]

27. Are there any particular firmly-held principles that go along with that loyalty? The problem I

have with arguments based on personality is that, as with religion, there is no reasoning possible. That wouldn't be politics so much as a Barry Fan Club.

[AllentownJake]

28. I doubt many posting on DU have political enemies

Barack Obama, has a lot of political enemies in both his party and in the other party. Tim Kaine, has a lot of political enemies, mostly democrats. The mayor of Allentown, a moderate amount of political enemies. The Chairman of the county party, a few political enemies. AllentownJake, had one or two, mostly within the democratic party when I was more involved.

Wedidit...I doubt really has any political enemies. A political enemy would have to be aware of Wedidit's existence and be actively thwarting his efforts.

I don't think FireDogLake gives a shit on who Wedidit is nor are they worried about Wedidit saying he thinks they suck, you have to do something of relevance to have a political enemy.

Wedidit has people he doesn't like and has an over blown sense of self, the people Wedidit doesn't like have no clue who the fuck he is.

The only time a person can classify someone as an enemy, is when the other person knows who the fuck you are. Otherwise you are irrelevant to that person.

You can say I have an overblown sense of self, but I don't imagine people are my enemies. There are people who control things I don't like, but unless I'm actively doing something other than posting on the internet, I'm not their enemy and nor are they mine.

[ima_sinnic]

29. opposes, or exposes?

and you have a mighty high opinion of your own importance, don't you?

The last time I checked, FDL was not affiliated with any political party. The writers on FDL are not beholden to any corporate or political entity--they are human beings making observations about situations that are sometimes in blatant opposition to progressive values and ideals--something that doesn't seem to register with you, despite your whining about how you should be called a "real liberal" too.

[AllentownJake]

30. We all know real liberals make enemies list highlighting members of the press they hate nt.

[ShortnFiery]

33. The hate reserved for real 1970s type *liberals* burns hot and strong.

Wow, I thought new democrats saved those intense hatreds for only Freepers.

Guess I was wrong. :(

http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-homeland_security_act.jpg http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-civil_libertarians.jpg

[AllentownJake]

34. New democrats look upon Free Republic with Envy

If only they had a base of people who would support whatever they did in their self interest based on a mixture of twisted Religious beliefs and faux patriotism, imagine what they could accomplish if the people who support them stop thinking and just accept what they do without any critical thought on the impacts their actions have on the supporters personally. They could build Utopia, for themselves.

I'm an arrogant fuck, but I know one person's utopia is another person's hell.

[ShortnFiery]

36. Yes, there's still a small element of anti-authority punks such as you and me who

refuse to "get in line" like the sheep within the Republican Party.

If only we could help others to stand up for their civil rights we may have a slim chance to stave of the encroaching envelopment of economic fascism? Just maybe we can STOP the governmental power grab (consolidation) by the Executive Branch (by both parties)?

Rescinding the Patriot Act should be at the top of our list in addition to demanding execution orders on ANYONE (especially now with regard to USA citizens) be deemed as UNDENIABLY Unconstitutional.

[AllentownJake]

37. That doesn't sound very pragmatic

What would the Republicans say if we actually stood up for people's civil rights and a pipe bomb went off somewhere.

:sarcasm:

[ima_sinnic]

43. "new democrats"

if this were 1968, they'd be calling Abbie Hoffman "the enemy" and advising people to "work from within" instead of "rocking the boat."
yeah, that worked out well--NOT.

[CreekDog]

46. If FDL can say that people they disagree with lack courage, then I can say I hate FDL

that's how FDL wants to play it.

i wouldn't go this far except that they turn every disagreement with even some of our most reliable, progressive and even *socialist* allies into an accusation of a character flaw.

so in such an instance, it's totally fair for me to go after them quite vigorously.

and their nastiness and unfairness is specifically why i used the word "hate" which i think i've never done before on DU.

[Phx_Dem]

17. You're not alone. n/t

[bigwillq]

21. I could never "hate" a website

There is no website out there that I could care enough about to hate. It's just a website...one among brazillons! :P

Freedom of speech...if you don't like them, don't click it. :)

[Number23]

23. "I could never hate a web site." I used to feel that way until I had the misfortune

of trying to renew my driver's license on the web site of the state I currently live in in Australia.

The web site looked like it was made in 1997, was slow as isht, kept opening new windows every time you clicked a link and then after allllll of that and spending damn near 20 mins on that sonofafab*tch, I got a message saying "you cannot renew online since your address has changed."

Aiiiiigghh!! That was two months ago and I'm getting pissed again just thinking about it!! :mad: :argh:

[bigwillq]

38. Sorry, I am wrong.

Yes, I could HATE that website!! LOL! :P

I should've been more specific. I could never hate a website, like Firedog or Politico or Freeperville, just because their political views were different from mine. Big deal? Freedom of speech. I don't have to visit those sites if I choose not to.

[Number23]

53. Agreed!

Think of me the next time you're having a smooth, DRAMA-FREE online transaction! :rofl:

:hi:

[Cha]

24. I like you for saying

that.

[Blue_Tires]

31. there is a certain poetry to a "CreekDog" not liking "FireDogLake"

:think:

[ShortnFiery]

32. A great deal of animosity has been unearthed as a result of this thread.

Makes one wonder who really is on the side of all that is cherished as *democratic values.*

[AllentownJake]

39. there are values in a political party

I always assumed it was a gang of people who get together to get elected. I must have missed something.

[CreekDog]

52. I think you should rethink your AZ immigration position before talking to me about Democratic Values

:hi:

[avaistheone1]

44. Firedoglake rocks.

I think they do great work. They are very effective.


:kick:

[ima_sinnic]

47. so? don't read it, then. I "hate" FR, should I get all sulky about it & post a rant?

It takes courage to buck the system and go against the wishes of important people like you.
What's the problem?

[CreekDog]

48. It doesn't take courage to say that others who disagree with you lack courage

it takes meglomania.

and i'll post what i want, i'm not sulking. i think they were wrong to do it and i'm saying so.

i'm calling them on their bullshit tactics.

[seleno]

49. I respect your opinion. However, I love Firedoglake n/t

[TheKentuckian]

50. Do you hate the truth or just people who tell it?

[CreekDog]

51. problem is they didn't tell the truth, they only "claimed" to

while painting those who didn't do what they wanted as having character flaws.