Democrats have been fighting for a climate change bill for years

[ProSense]

A lot of people have been fighting their efforts for years.

Energy independence has been kicked down the road for years.

Global warming has become the butt of jokes to some. Look at how Republicans reacted to a period of heavy snow earlier this year.

No one takes anything seriously until after a disaster.

Still, except for blocking a bill to increase BP's liability, does anyone notice the silence from Republicans? Have Senate Republicans criticized BP, called for an investigation?




It's time for a climate change bill.

[ej510]

1. It won't have any teeth with our corporate owned democrats.

We need real reform for everything and won't get until we have publicly financed elections.

[ProSense]

2. "We need real reform for everything and won't get until we have publicly financed elections."

How long are you planning to wait for Congress to be free of "corporate owned democrats."

Exactly who are you relying on to enact "publicly financed elections"

You may feel doomed, but everyone else who is serious is going to continue to work toward progress.

[TheKentuckian]

5. Is your "progress" going to save the habitat or just give folks something to pat themselves

on the back over?

Does your solution solve or even seriously mitigate the problem? If not does it at least leave time and resources for another or a series of steps to get to a workable solution?

I think you know we aren't close enough to score in a game of horseshoes and we're playing for our (as well as many creatures) habitat, I think a serious effort is the very least we can do.

[ProSense]

7. How much of the habitat has been save without a bill?

How much will be saved without a bill for another decade?

[TheKentuckian]

10. What is it you believe the bill will do toward the problems of energy dependence

and climate change?

How much habitat will it save? Is it sane to build only a few percent of a bridge and pray for the best?

You are defending not even attempting to solve this problem in a timeframe where we can have some small chance of some success. Its like passing bills is all that is important to some folks. They seriously could give a shit if any of these problems gets solved or even if some real headway is made in that direction.

Its all about passing shit and claiming victory instead of doing the heavy lifting it takes to really move the needle.

[ProSense]

11. "Its all about passing shit and claiming victory instead of doing the heavy lifting"

What you're doing is heavy lifting?

Again, how much of the habitat has been save without a bill? How much will be saved without a bill for another decade?

If the bill does more good than standing around complaining that more can be done, then I'm all for it.

[TheKentuckian]

12. Clean Coal will save us! Drill, Baby, Drill Yup, were going in the right direction now, baby!!!!

If everything works out we'll be somewhat less dead. Not enough to be alive, mind you, but less dead.

Or maybe we won't all be dead but just about everything else but hey, we made some progress?

YOU ARE PUTTING OFF A BILL FOR ANOTHER DECADE OR MORE LIKE TWO! Just because you label a bill something doesn't mean it does what is advertised. You think tax breaks for more offshore drilling is progress???? That's ass fucking backwards.

[TheKentuckian]

6. delete dupe

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13. most environmental groups disagree

but you know better than them.

[TheKentuckian]

3. No shit but sadly there are no plans for one just more big carbon and nukes pretending to be reform

Who takes seriously that we are going to affect climate change giving out incentives to drill and for nukes, a bunch of clean coal malarkey, and some weak ass offset credits?

I'm not supporting a damn thing that calls for more offshore drilling. A price on carbon is a great step but we have to ca$h in all our chips to get far too little. Back to the drawing board.

[ProSense]

4. Is that

a can I hear?

[TheKentuckian]

8. How can you tell? It seems you only can hear one note.

[ProSense]

9. Yeah, because

constantly complaining about and mischaracterizing everything is melodic.

[Bragi]

14. If only the Dems controlled Congress and the White House...

Oh wait, the democrats do control Congress and the White House.