It still pisses me off that Bobby Jindahl is "demanding" more help for the oil leak...

[KansasVoter]

When he is so anti-federal government! Does he not realize how hypocritical he looks?

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Who do they always run to with their hands open?

Big gummint, that's who.

[CLANG]

58. NOW they want a saftey net!

:grr:

[old mark]

2. He is getting more media coverage than he ever got before - the political

harvest from the Gulf disaster is just beginning, and many people who have nothing to do with any of it will be trying for publicity out of it.
It is as sickening as the oil itself.

mark

[Bitwit1234]

3. So why aren't the tea bags complaining about him

asking for government help.

[lunatica]

6. Even the teabaggers know this is a disaster

Other than Palin I haven't heard of anyone defending offshore drilling right now. I could be wrong because I haven't been listening for it, but it's possible the teabaggers care about the environment when it gets messed up like this.

[lunatica]

These demands will also come back to bite him in the ass

The more he's filmed doing this the better.

[graywarrior]

4. The media conveniently forgets to point this out.

[uponit7771]

5. Yeap, ANOTHER republican wants ANOTHER bailout of a multi billion dollar coproation

[ellenfl]

7. because 'republican' is now spelled 'hypocrite'? eom

[ljm2002]

8. If I lived in Louisiana...

...right now I would not care about his small-government advocacy, rather I would be so glad that he appears to be taking charge and doing what can be done in terms of cleanup.

There will be plenty of time for recriminations.

Unfortnately, President Obama has no high ground to stand on here, given that he okayed more offshore drilling and made that unfortunate remark about how safe modern rigs are.

Mind you: Jindal is the governor of the state so it stands to reason that he is taking local action. I do not fault President Obama for not being everywhere at once. Local people should be taking action, and state governors also should be making sure that happens. I would like to see President Obama taking direct control of operations, or delegating that to one person who will report directly to him. There needs to be a single command and control IMO.

Of course this may all be moot, as it appears that there may have been another rupture in the pipe and the spill has gotten worse. It may become impossible to stop. In which case we are well and truly fucked.

[Catherina]

9. The citizens he represents paid taxes. They're entitled to that help

and it's his responsibility to get it for them. The day they don't pay taxes, then you'll have a point.

[KansasVoter]

10. LOL...the day he stops complaining about big government then you will have a point!!!

[Catherina]

11. I don't see it that way. As long as they're paying, they get it back

They can complain all they want, it's the balance sheet that matters.

[leftynyc]

12. LA gets back $1.78 for ever $1.00 they

put in. They're one of the parasite states. (numbers from 2005 - latest I could find)

[jobwithout]

14. The fact that you spent time to research those numbers

tells me that you have a very certain agenda here and you don't give two shits about the impact to the environment or the people of Louisiana. How small of you!!!

[leftynyc]

35. Bite me

That's a table I bookmarked ages ago to show how fucking hypocritical the red states are. They scream the loudest about their taxes and yet get back more than they give the feds. States like NY get back less than they put in (as does CT, NJ, CA). We don't mind paying more to keep things evened out. I don't like getting shit on while I'm doing it.

My agenda is to not let the narrative that's developing get too far ahead of what the truth actually is. When you have a puke governor who talks big about states rights but then goes whining to the feds, that's a issue. When you have saint sarah trying to put this on Pres Obama's plate and accuse him of being in bed with the oil companies, that's an issue. I hate to break this to you, but writing posts on a message board isn't going to get the oil cleaned up and writing about how much you care smacks of self serving ego problems. See a shrink about it.

[jobwithout]

37. Me thinks you doth protest too much

"My agenda is to not let the narrative that's developing get too far ahead of what the truth actually is. When you have a puke governor who talks big about states rights but then goes whining to the feds, that's a issue. When you have saint sarah trying to put this on Pres Obama's plate and accuse him of being in bed with the oil companies, that's an issue."

So tell me how anything you say on this board slow down the "narrative". How does it not let it get "too far ahead". And dont go talk to me about action, I volunteer 25 hours a week at several humanistic causes so I am a part of the solution. What do you do?

[leftynyc]

44. Think whatever you please

It will always amaze me that anonymous posters (and recently signed on at that) think they can come on here, post whatever shit they want, expect people to believe it and challenge others to prove their bona fides. I've never fooled myself into thinking that posting on a message board does anything other than allow people to blow off steam - that you think it equals actions tells me you either are or act very, very young. I don't know you and I don't owe you anything - but the fact that you argue just like a puke hasn't gone unnoticed.

[CLANG]

59. +10000

[Catherina]

18. That doesn't matter. Paying fed taxes is a deal you make with the fed gov't

They're under obligation to deliver.

I can bitch about the electric company all day long but as long as I pay the bill, they have to deliver. If they undervalued the price of their services, that's their problem.

[donco6]

28. Exactly. It's not a zero-sum game here.

If that were the case, there's be some states who could never receive anything in disaster aid.

[leftynyc]

34. Why are the feds on the hook

for this disaster? To be very clear, I do think the feds should be involved and should have been since the beginning. I want to hear the republican party state straight out that there is a role for the federal government, that LA gets more than their fair share of federal dollars (almost 2 to 1), and that Jindal is a hypocrit for saying he wants the feds to stay out of LA business and is still crying for money from the govt.

[golfguru]

56. Was 2005 affected by Katrina related federal help?

[KansasVoter]

16. If Bobby had his way, he would not pay. So he is an idiot to ask for those funds now!

[freddie mertz]

38. Sigh! This should not be about scoring political points.

I wish you could understand that simple point.

[donco6]

19. Really? That's what it's come to now?

We won't help LA protect its coastline because of it's governor's political stance?

Sad.

[cherokeeprogressive]

52. Isn't it wild? Everything is political. Everything.

Witness how people around here feel about music, movies, athletes, business, even family and friends based on a few political utterances. Every single thing in their lives is politicized to the point that their concern for the gulf is tempered by the politics of Louisiana's Governor.

Ain't no big tent here...

[donco6]

55. It's infuriating.

Have people no compassion at all.

[KingFlorez]

27. That doesn't mean he's not a hypocrite

He's anti-federal government, so he should govern like that, there is no pick and choose here.

[freddie mertz]

40. Nonsense.

His state and the entire gulf, and more, are threatened.

This should have been declared a national disaster weeks ago.

[HughMoran]

41. Jindal is pro-entitlement as well?

Jindal bad Republican.

Do you know how many Republican Governors refused (or attempted to refuse) stimulus money?

Jindal is a major hypocrite.

[ensho]

13. he is right in demanding more help. La needs more help!

get pissed at BP, the Coast Guard and D.C.

this is not the time for politics.

[KansasVoter]

15. When is a time for politics? When Bobby is trying to undermine Obama with the Big Government lie????

[donco6]

32. This is when the 3D chess is supposed to help.

Obama should have been figuring this out as soon as it started, because he had to know LA was going to be hit first, and he certainly knows who the governor is there. But it's certainly not time to use people as pawns. The Feds hold the strings here - their only response is to help now.

[phleshdef]

22. Yes, he is right. But don't you find the irony even the slightest bit amusing?

[donco6]

17. It doesn't really piss me off right now.

Folks, anything even a hypocrite like Jindahl does to protect the shoreline is OK by me. Maybe we can deal with the politics bullshit later?

[hedgehog]

20. Did Bobby Jindal protect the drillers? Did he condemn the federal government

for imposing too many restrictions on drillers? The Federal government has to try to restore the shore and the Gulf, it belongs to all of us, not just the people of Louisiana. What Jindal is doing is attempting to pin the blame on Obama and the federal government while ducking his own responsibility in the matter.

BTW - did anyone happen to notice all the drilling rigs off the coast of California? Me neither. The people of Louisiana need to step up and take responsibility themselves for allowing (demanding?)the wells to be drilled.

[donco6]

23. So, I guess you're saying, "Fuck Louisiana". Got it. n/t

[hedgehog]

26. No, I'm saying "Suck it up, Louisiana. We're in this with you

but don't forget that you had a big role in bringing all this about. "

[Forkboy]

30. No, you're clearly not "in this with you".

[hedgehog]

31. I'm not so stupid as to think that oil in the Gulf won't ultimately

cause problems for me here in Upstate New york. It is not Louisiana's problem, it's hurting all of us. I just wish Jindal would stop pretending that this disaster had nothing to do with the incestuous ties between the oil companies and Louisiana politicians. Not to condemn all the people of Louisiana either, but who keeps putting those politicians in power?

[kestrel91316]

21. The only folks that moran has any business asking for help are all the other oil companies.

He doesn't want to pay taxes so he can damned well get by without taxpayer-funded help.

[Catherina]

49. Irrelevant argument

It doesn't bloody matter if he, or anyone else, wants to pay taxes or not. What matters is did the people of Louisiana pay their taxes?

If they did the federal government is OBLIGATED to help. That's the deal.

It's like being coerced to pay for flood insurance in the middle of the desert. When the flood hits is no time for the insurance companies to start complaining that you didn't want to pay for it or were trying to organize a rebellion.

[kestrel91316]

53. I'm not addressing the fact that the taxpayers of Louisiana deserve help. They do.

I am addressing Jindal's pathetic whining and total hypocrisy.

[CLANG]

60. You can be forgriven for actually addressing the topic

The OP never said we shouldn't send aid - nobody thinks that. He's just pointing out the hypocrisy. I don't understand how these other posters in this thread can't figure that out. These anti-government types only want the government when their own personal investments are at stake.

[and-justice-for-all]

24. What a flip flopper; they want less government..

but then they want more government. :eyes:

[freddie mertz]

25. Who gives a fuck at this point? He is DOING HIS JOB.

Is he a hypocrite? Sure, I suppose so.

Same could be said about some OTHER POLITICIANS I can think of.

What matters is getting the help to where it is needed.

These are OUR waters and this is OUR environment too.

Partisanship should take a back seat.

[Blue_Tires]

29. don't forget his public grandstanding over refusing stimulus funds...

[greencharlie]

33. doesn't matter... irrelevant.

I don't care if Hitler is Governor of LA, you send every POSSIBLE resource there to save the Gulf. This isn't JUST about the Gulf, it's about millions of sea creatures. It's about the Gulf ecology...

[freddie mertz]

36. You would think this would be frakking obvious. nt.

[jobwithout]

39. Not true

Its more important to make political points. :sarcasm:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. Iran has offered help

:evilgrin:

[jenmito]

43. He just spoke after Napolitano spoke at their press briefing. Looks like he

thinks talking fast makes him look "tough" and "serious." :eyes:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

45. Did he mention the 22,000 personnel working on the problem?

By the Numbers to Date:
- Personnel were quickly deployed and more than 22,000 are currently responding to protect the shoreline and wildlife.

- More than 1,150 vessels are responding on site, including skimmers, tugs, barges, and recovery vessels to assist in containment and cleanup efforts—in addition to dozens of aircraft, remotely operated vehicles, and multiple mobile offshore drilling units.

- More than 1.73 million feet of containment boom and 730,000 feet of sorbent boom have been deployed to contain the spill—and approximately 275,000 feet of containment boom and 1.25 million feet of sorbent boom are available.

- Approximately 10.2 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been recovered.

- Approximately 785,000 gallons of total dispersant have been deployed—685,000 on the surface and 100,000 subsea. More than 340,000 gallons are available.

- 17 staging areas are in place and ready to protect sensitive shorelines, including: Dauphin Island, Ala., Orange Beach, Ala., Theodore, Ala., Panama City, Fla., Pensacola, Fla., Port St. Joe, Fla., St. Marks, Fla., Amelia, La., Cocodrie, La., Grand Isle, La., Shell Beach, La., Slidell, La., St. Mary, La.; Venice, La., Biloxi, Miss., Pascagoula, Miss., and Pass Christian, Miss.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x310963

[jenmito]

46. Of course not. He and Sen. Vitter complained about the govt. not delivering on

things they requested. :eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

47. Jindal doesn't believe that he has a job in this......

I guess.

There goes that good old state rights thingie!

[jenmito]

48. Did you catch him and Vitter blaming the govt. just now? n/t

[pecwae]

50. Better to be pissed off than pissed on.

Truly, who cares how hypocritical he is, who he is, what he is, where he is.

Our oceans, our food supply, our world is at risk and I for one don't give a goddamn who's doing something...just DO it!

[ItNerd4life]

51. He's not a hypocrite. There is a difference between big government and responsible government.

I know republicans have a hard time with this idea, but sometimes they can be right in their complaints.

[bigwillq]

54. So he should ask for less?

:shrug: I understand your point, but, right now, I don't think he's being hypocritical. His state is in the midst of a major disaster. To me, he's doing what he should for the people, and livelihood, of his state. I am cutting him slack on this, and not trying to make it some political tug of war.

[golfguru]

57. The BP caused oil spill is turning into a national disaster

Can we leave politics aside for a while and do everything possible
to prevent an ecological disaster which could last decades?

I don't give a rat's ass how phony or hypocritical Jindal is, because
the entire might of country needs to be activated in alleviating damage
to people's lives, fishing, beaches, tourism business, etc etc. for
not just LA but the entire area around the gulf. There is no time to
waste!