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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:53 PM
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"DADT repeal on schedule -- Obama's schedule"
Posted at Ezra Klein's blog:

DADT repeal on schedule -- Obama's schedule
By Jonathan Bernstein

Via Andrew Sullivan, Brian Beutler over at TPM reports that according to Sen. Carl Levin, the Obama administration "got religion on the issue 'in the last few days.' " Sullivan wonders: "Why did Obama change his tune?"

Well, perhaps, but I think the person who nailed this repeatedly last year (for example here) was Mark Kleiman. As he's argued, Obama has followed a slow but steady path, with the key step of getting the military brass solidly on board before throwing it into the publicity glare of congressional action. Kleiman has bet all along that repeal would happen this year, and while the measure will still have to actually have the votes, things look pretty good for repeal as of now.

As far as what changed, that seems fairly obvious to me: The plan for some time has been to add DADT repeal as a rider to the defense appropriations bill. What's changed is the calendar, pure and simple. It's time for approps mark-ups, and so it was time to work the next step out.


This is, of course, typical of the way that Barack Obama goes about business: light on the bluster, don't worry about the ephemeral news cycle, stick to long-term plans. Now, it's also true, reportedly, that activists have been pushing hard on this issue. But that's one of the advantages of the long-term strategy! By keeping a low public profile on issues that were not yet ripe -- by which I mean ready for actual meaningful action, such as a mark-up or a floor vote, not in the more abstract sense -- Obama is able to see which issues really do have constituencies who care, one way or another. Perhaps if advocates of repeal had put most of their energy into other issues, and perhaps if outcry among pro-ban groups had been louder, Obama might have changed course. But it seems to me pretty obvious that repeal has been his intended course from the beginning.


-- Jonathan Bernstein blogs about American politics, political institutions and democracy at A Plain Blog About Politics, and you can follow him on Twitter here.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/05/dadt_repeal_on_schedule_--_oba.html
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:56 PM
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1. Chess, anyone? n/t
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:59 PM
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2. That's nonsense. This took him by surprise, he barely recovered at the last moment.
The "compromise" could have been done months ago if he had wanted it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:50 AM
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6. No, it's not nonsense..this is how it gets done.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:35 AM
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16. Yes, it "is how it gets done"--in this case, without his help. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:34 AM
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22. Sorry, but the President has been very instrumental in this.
Building a solid foundation for it..thankfully it is going to get done.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:06 PM
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24. You are conflating things. He got Gates and Mullen, but he did not bring about this. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:12 PM
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26. You can try and take away from the President but the facts
remain.
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Teka Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:23 PM
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31. Bullshit
Obama is being drug kicking and screaming.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:39 PM
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32. Bullshit yourself.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:56 AM
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8. Clearly, you still don't "get" Barack Obama and probably never will
But that's okay. Eventually, his presidency will make even your life better.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:36 AM
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17. Actually, I think I get Barack Obama very well.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 10:40 AM by Unvanguard
And I've defended him repeatedly and extensively on these forums.

The explanation presented stretches plausibility beyond belief, to anyone who was paying attention to the White House's silence, and then discouragement, as Levin and Murphy and the others tried to figure out what to do. This final arrangement at the last minute came about without their initiative and without their help, and even now they're saying that it isn't "ideal." To give him credit for this is the result of the same kind of Obama-as-omnipotent reasoning that makes people unfairly blame him for so many other things.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:13 AM
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15. Because months are really vital when the results will last at least for years, if not forever. (nt)
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:38 AM
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19. It's vital for the people who will be discharged in the mean time.
In any case, the problem is that, had the Obama timeline been followed and repeal delayed until after the military review, due to the midterm elections repeal would quite possibly be delayed for another two years at least. Congress had to act sooner, and there was no movement on the part of the Administration to make that happen.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:55 AM
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20. That's a stretch. The Obama timeline was always this year.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 10:55 AM by Radical Activist
Obama gave the Pentagon a deadline of finishing a study this year. Congress is acting this year, and if doesn't, this Congress could still act after the mid-tem election in a lame duck session IF the elections go badly. Obama's time line, and this latest action, indicate that he wasn't going to let it die.

Is there something to be gained by giving Obama absolutely no credit for sticking to a commitment he campaigned on?
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:58 AM
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21. That's true, the Pentagon study was supposed to be completed by December.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 11:03 AM by Unvanguard
Let's assume that worked out fine. After what we've been through this past year and a half, do you really think Congress would have acted swiftly enough to do this before January? With likely Republican obstruction and probably still some reluctance on the part of conservative Democrats? And with all the political rhetoric about "respecting democracy" and so forth? Especially with the Christmas recess, they would have had a few weeks at best, and undoubtedly would have been busy with other things.

It was not something to rely on. Something to be hoped for, sure, but that is different. This way is better, but it was--not quite forced on, but certainly very far from instigated by, Obama.

Edit: As for your last sentence, I'll give him credit for Gates and Mullen at the hearings, for sparking this effort, but it has been the work of others that has brought it to this point, and if it succeeds they will deserve the credit for getting it through Congress.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:43 AM
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3. As long as it happens
...that's the bottom line.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:46 AM
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4. The only question is, do Dems have the votes?
Webb is voting no.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:07 AM
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12. It's an appropriations bill, so they probably will.
That's why it isn't stand-alone legislation.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:43 PM
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33. Collins and Snowe are voting yes.
So it still comes out to sixty, even if all the other Republicans mount a filibuster of the defense appropriations bill, and Webb joins them.

Byrd is a worry, though.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:49 AM
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5. That's Obama's style..get the solid foundation
and then get it done.

Not a surprise for those who know how he works.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:53 AM
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23. Yes indeed. nt
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:52 AM
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7. like the public option
just wait, Obama really wants it!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:59 AM
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10. That's why states are allowed to set up a single-payer system.
A few states do it, people learn about it, get used to the idea, support grows and then it goes national. The groundwork is laid.

Or we can shove everything down people's throats Great Society style and wait for the Reagan backlash.
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:04 AM
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11. This is interesting --
I like the way you lay it out. You could very well be right. For a nation of instant gratification junkies, it's kinda hard to take that long view. (Vis: see my signature line).

Thanks for the illumination!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:16 PM
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27. Rad...I like your style. The old addage that "patience is a virtue" has
been chucked down the rabbit hole. I'm never really sure what hoops the progressive movement wants this president to jump through next, to prove that he's on our side? Does any true progressive think that things were better under Bush, or that they'll be better under the next Repuke administration? I'm flummoxed, I admit I don't know what we want as progressives.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:58 AM
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9. This isn't the only issue Obama has handled this way and gotten results we want.
I've tried to point it out on several DADT threads and usually get accused of not supporting repeal. I can understand why people don't like the delay of doing things a certain way, but the alarm bells accusing Obama of backing down on the issue were bogus.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:10 AM
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13. If Obama is the first President to get gays to be able to serve
openly in the military, I could care less HOW it is done. I just want it done.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:12 AM
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14. You're absolutely right. (nt)
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:00 PM
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34. FUCK FACTS!!!!!! /sarcasm
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:38 AM
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18. DU is like our society at large - INSTANT GRATIFICATION OR NOTHING. The actual job
of governing is a long hard slog that most on this board would not be able to stomach or tolerate. Obama is getting things done despite all of his detractors. He keeps his eye on the prize. I admire it, because his patience is something I will never have in my daily life. It is his greatest strength and his greatest perceived weakness.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:20 PM
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28. "INSTANT GRATIFICATION OR NOTHING"
"patience is something I will never have in my daily life. It is his greatest strength and his greatest perceived weakness".

Do you remember when this president was revered for his cool headedness, and his ability to think through a dilemma, with input from friend & foe alike? What happened to that? Whoever said that dealing with Democrats is like herding cats, was on the money.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:46 PM
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29. Couldn't agree more.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:07 PM
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25. This will be a saving grace for Obama if it goes off as planned
He needs to cling to it and work hard for it to come off on the December deadline.
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Teka Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:23 PM
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30. Meanwhile, screw all the servicemen and women discharged
The only schedule that should have been followed was to repeal it in the first 100 days.

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