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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:55 AM
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As oil spills, Obama touts alternative energy
SAN FRANCISCO – With the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico fouling waterways, wildlife and beaches, President Barack Obama is expressing deepening concern about the failure to plug the five-week old leak.
Obama called the situation "heartbreaking."
"When this happens on your watch, then every day you are thinking how does this get solved," he told a Democratic fundraiser in California Tuesday night.
The seemingly unstoppable gusher has created not only an environmental catastrophe but also poses political problems for his administration. The White House is being criticized even by Democrats for not acting more aggressively in the spill. The administration argues that government officials aren't just watching from the sidelines, but also it acknowledges there's just so much the government can do directly. Obama could suffer politically if his administration is seen as failing to stay on top of the problem or not working hard to find a solution.
With the spill calling into question his plans to expand offshore drilling, Obama looked to highlight the benefits of alternative energy sources.


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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:01 AM
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1. And yet
they are going to announce new rules to allow more drilling.

I appreciate that he wants to "highlight the benefits". How about "highlighting his plans"?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:14 AM
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4. and?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:19 AM
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6. No and
If he could just highlight his plans for receiving these wonderful benefits of alternative energies, so that we could actually stop drilling in the Gulf. I mean, he's got specific plans to actually allow actual new drilling, not just "highlighting the benefits of new drilling". So I presume he has specific plans for actually delivering these benefits of alternative energies.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:21 AM
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8. He has more than just plans, he has sunk billions of dollars into alternative energy
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:26 AM
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12. He already spent more on alternative energy than all previous Presidents combined.
But I know how your brain has trouble retaining information about anything good Obama does.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:35 AM
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13. I know that
But since no one since Carter has done much, that's not much of a claim.

It is an opporunity (again) to be transformational. It is not the time for incrementalism.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:40 AM
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:13 AM
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2. let's see if I have this right.
If North Korea invaded the Gulf of Mexico and started dumping radioactive waste, the federal government could immediately take any drastic action required.

But if British Petroleum blows up a platform and thoroughly murders the Gulf of Mexico and surrounding land and wetlands, our hands are tied?

What an amazingly non-competent non-leader. I'm sorry it may not be "Obama's Katrina" but it's certainly not the opposite.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:14 AM
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3. Well looks like you got it wrong
good thing you laid it out for correction.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:17 AM
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5. You have it wrong..
"From Day 1, Dept-by-Dept response to the oil spill." Thanks to quietamerican for the heads up on this..

Department of Homeland Security (DHS)

Since the moments after the oil rig explosion on the night of April 20, DHS has played a lead role in federal response efforts—deploying the U.S. Coast Guard to search and rescue the 126 people aboard the rig, and quickly leading efforts to establish a command center on the Gulf Coast to address the potential environmental impact of the event and to coordinate with all state and local governments. Secretary Napolitano leads the National Response Team, an organization of 16 federal departments and agencies responsible for coordinating emergency preparedness and response to oil and hazardous substance pollution events.

U.S. Coast Guard

The Coast Guard has played a major role from the very beginning, when it responded to the explosion on a search and rescue mission to save lives. Pursuant to the National Contingency Plan, Rear Admiral Mary Landry was named the Federal On-Scene Coordinator to lead a Regional Response Team which was stood up that included DHS, DOC/NOAA, DOI and the EPA, as well as state and local representatives. As the event escalated, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen was announced as the National Incident Commander for the administration’s continued, coordinated response—providing additional coordinated oversight in leveraging every available resource to respond to the BP oil spill and minimize the associated environmental risks.

Department of the Interior (DOI)

The morning after the explosion, Secretary of the Interior deployed Deputy Secretary David J. Hayes to the Gulf Coast to assist with coordination and response to the event, and provide hourly reports back to the administration. Since then, DOI has played a vital role in overseeing BP’s response efforts while—at the President’s request—working to deliver a report with recommendations on what, if any, additional safety measures should be required for offshore operations. Secretary Salazar has announced that inspections of all deepwater rigs and platforms are underway.

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

Since the BP Oil Spill, EPA has provided full support to the U.S. Coast Guard and is monitoring and responding to potential public health and environmental concerns. Environmental data, including air quality and water samples, will be posted and frequently updated on this site as it is collected and validated by EPA’s response teams along the impacted coastlines. This data is meant to determine potential risks to public health and the environment: http://www.epa.gov/bpspill

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

As the nation’s leading scientific resource for oil spills, NOAA has been on the scene of the Deepwater Horizon spill from the start, providing coordinated scientific weather and biological response services to federal, state and local organizations: http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/deepwaterhorizon
Weather Forecast: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/lix/

Small Business Administration

SBA is making low-interest loans available to small businesses in the Gulf Coast regions of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi suffering financial losses following the April 20 Deepwater BP oil spill that shut down commercial and recreational fishing in the Gulf of Mexico. SBA’s Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDL) are available immediately in designated counties and parishes of each of the four states to help meet the financial needs of qualifying small businesses following the oil spill: http://www.sba.gov/services/disasterassistance/

Department of Defense (DOD)

DOD continues to support the ongoing response effort by lending Naval and Air Force bases to provide vital staging areas for boom deployments and other activities, and providing C-130 aircraft equipped with Modular Aerial Spray Systems, which dispense chemical dispersant—capable of covering up to 250 acres per flight. DOD also plays a significant role in the National Response Team, helping to lead the coordination of response actions for the federal government. Secretary of Defense Gates has authorized use of Title 32 status for up to 17,500 National Guard members in four states: Alabama (3,000), Florida (2,500), Louisiana (6,000) and Mississippi (6,000).

Department of the Interior’s Fish and Wildlife Service

The Fish and Wildlife Service continues to support the joint agency response to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico with experienced specialists, land managers, and support personnel. Booms to capture and deflect anticipated oil are being deployed at Breton National Wildlife Refuge, where thousands of brown pelicans and shorebirds are currently nesting. The Service also is initiating Natural Resource Damage Assessment and Restoration activities in this incident to assess and address the long-term damage to impacted resources: http://www.fws.gov/home/dhoilspill

Department of the Interior’s National Park Service

The National Park Service is focused on human safety and resource protection in eight national parks in the Gulf area. These parks are working to assess resources, collect baseline data, coordinate boom placements, plan for responsible cleanup, install barriers for shore bird and turtle nest protection, and plan for potential park closures, if necessary: http://www.nps.gov/aboutus/oil-spill-response.htm

National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health

Oil spill response workers may be exposed to many different chemical, physical, biological, and psychological hazards. These hazards vary depending on the type and location of the oil spill, type and stage of response, degree of coordination between entities involved in response and recovery, and the workers’ specific tasks. Therefore, occupational and environmental hazards need to be identified, assessed, and monitored in each oil spill response: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/oilspillresponse

http://www.whitehouse.gov/deepwater-bp-oil-spill
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:21 AM
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7. And what tangible accomplishments?
Trying your best is only good in elementary school. Actually accomplishing something is generally the standard when one turns pro. What has he accomplished?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:22 AM
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9. He has spent billions on alternative energy and ever day our nation
produces more energy from wind and solar
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:37 AM
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14. Yes, it is the rate that is the issue
Every day we produce more from fossil fuels as well. And every day the propose more drilling in deep water. We need to change some rates and slopes here. It is the chance to be transformational, not incremental.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:38 AM
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16. Drastically increasing the rate doesn't seem enough for you
Edited on Wed May-26-10 11:40 AM by NJmaverick
then again you are NEVER satisfied if the work involved our President
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:46 AM
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19. What has drastically increased on the production side
Since 2009?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:51 AM
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20. 40% increase that is growing even larger
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:04 PM
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21. Pants on fire
Do you have any idea how long it takes to bring this stuff on line? That increase had been in the pipeline since Bush's days. How has Obama CHANGED this rate of increase?

And that increase is about 10,000 Mw. We produce over 4 million GIGA watts a year. That's hardly going to be transformation. Heck, it won't even be significant. Coal alone increases at something like 200,000 GW a year. You're not even within 3 orders of magnitude.

Heck, the magnitude of petrolium produced energy has been going down for the last 14 years. That alone would suggest we can stop drilling in the Gulf. THAT would be significant.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:13 PM
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22. Not in the world of facts
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:38 PM
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24. Not sure what you're pointing to
The 40% was a Spain number. And the whole article was a bit of propaganda from a wind/alternative site. And their numbers aren't consistent with the previous set of facts you misquoted.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:48 PM
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27. Not really. I was responding to Obama's comment
bamboozling me with bullshit links really didn't short circuit me on this - and most of the links you went to the trouble of posting had nothing to do with any real or relevant current effort.

Beyond mobilizing the coast guard for public safety I am referring directly to BP being allowed to recover this operation. IF anyone else had fucked up the entire Gulf of Mexico it would have been an act of war or the most astonishing gross negligence.

Why we didn't step in immediately is mind boggling, instead allowing BP to propose idiotic solutions one after the other.

I'm just disappointed in the lack of real leadership. I'm not saying Obama's administration is negligent as bush was with Katrina or anything of the sort, but strongly saying we aren't doing enough.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:24 AM
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10. So now people don't like alternative energy?
Why the unreccs? Oh that's right. It's not about the issue. It's about opposing everything Obama says or does as not being good enough.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:26 AM
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11. You are correct, looks like there are now two parties of "NO!"
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:38 AM
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15. Alot of reasons
I didn't unrec it so I can only say so much. But I am often moved to unrec things mostly because it is a lousy article that is being referenced, even if I support the larger point.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:39 AM
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17. +1
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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:15 PM
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23. It's corporatist alternative energy, from this weak leader, no, I mean chicago gangland leader
wait, i mean Carter, no no I mean worse than Reagan and Bush put together, no Dukakis like... wait a minute, more like Pol Pot
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 01:05 PM
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25. That's great! Now we need to get serious about this. 80 billion is a drop in the bucket
Hell, a trillion would only be a start but it would be an irreversible start. A true foundation.

The money for renewables is just a little more than the nuclear loan guarantees.

We must do more while appreciating the investment we have so far.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 02:43 PM
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26. 80 billion is hardly a drop in the bucket. It's a sizable investment.
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