"It's nice to feel appreciated once in a while"

[impik]

Full speech of President Obama yesterday at Sen. Boxer fundraiser.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/293693-3

Mr. president, i appreciate you more than you'll ever know.

[reggie the dog]

1. same speech where he dissed equal rights for gays?

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[reggie the dog]

7. i put a question mark because i want to know

if he wants to let gay people serve openly or not, as he promised on the campaign trail....

obama seems quite wishy washy and as the john mellencamp song says "you got to stand right up for something or you gonna fall for anything"...

[phleshdef]

9. He never "dissed" equal rights at anytime, anywhere.

[reggie the dog]

11. why did he laugh off the protestors?

why doesnt he stand up and say "gays should be able to openly serve their country"....??? is that too much to ask???? he knows that there are plenty of countries where gays can openly serve, and marry, and adopt yet he will not try to pull the usa that way. why not?

[impik]

14. He said that million times. You have no shame.

Oh, the hell with it. Welcome to the ignore list.

[Lerkfish]

18. but what has he actually DONE about repealing DADT?

actions speak louder than words.

[reggie the dog]

28. I know he said it, it was a campaign promise

and now a law is going to be voted so where is his voice?

[phleshdef]

26. The guy was being a rude ass heckler and doing no justice for his cause.

Is Obama suppose to just stand there and take everyone's shit? Hell no, fuck that. I wouldn't and wouldn't expect him to either. I don't care if it was Dick Cheney standing up there, if someone is heckling you while you are giving a speech, you have the right to retort. And his retort was actually pretty respectful.

[reggie the dog]

29. I guess I hoped a Democratic president would

have been willing to listen to liberal protesters. I dont expect that from a Republican but I HOPED to get that from a Democrat.

[phleshdef]

39. Listen to what? People heckling him over an issue he straight said he agrees with them on?

There isn't anything to listen to. He agrees. He is working on getting it done without sparking a political firestorm that could derail the whole damn thing. NO President or any other person giving a speech should put up with that rude bullshit without taking up for themself. And thats all he did. He fucking took up for himself. How fucked up do you have to be to condemn a President just taking up for themselves?

[reggie the dog]

41. I guess I just thought it would not be this hard to let gays

serve openly in the military in 2010.

[phleshdef]

44. Unfortunately we live in a country that is still full of bigots when it comes to gay people.

And unfortunately, a lot of people in the military are among them. It isn't justified, buts its a truth about our society that we have to fight.

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[reggie the dog]

30. what nasty dishonest game am i playing

from what i have read on here today it seems that some think he did not dis the gay community and others think he has, I want to hear from folks on both sides of this so i can make up my own mind.

[Lerkfish]

16. I don't know of a speech but I do know that his administration is pushing to delay repeal of DADT

so, actions speak louder than words.

and try some decaf.

[NJmaverick]

19. bullshit and you know it

[Lerkfish]

22. um, no actuallly

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=obama+administration+delaying+repeal+of+DADT&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

its not bullshit. Look it up.

I'll await your apology with bated breath. :sarcasm:

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[Lerkfish]

27. um, did you even go to the link?

do you consider the following dishonest bloggers?

yahoo news
wikipedia
washington monthly
salon
new york times


???

[namahage]

40. Would you consider Taylor Marsh and the Washington Times honest ones?

Because they seem to be the top two pages in your search, above the ones you listed.
Which I'm sure was just an oversight, right?

[dionysus]

51. ROFL Taylor Marsh!!!!11 whoever reads that shit has zero credibility!

:rofl:

[Lerkfish]

54. well, to be honest, with 179,000 results , you're going to find some that aren't credible

you do understand how a google search works, right?

the point was I was called a liar for saying Obama wanted to delay repeal of DADT, and I proved I wasn't.

[dionysus]

55. point conceded

[namahage]

56. Actually, no. You proved nothing of the sort.

You proved that other people think that Obama wants to delay repeal of DADT.
But thanks for agreeing that Taylor Marsh lacks credibility.

[Lerkfish]

58. an unanswered question further in the thread is where I ask if anyone has proof

that Obama is pushing to repeal DADT right now.

I haven't seen any such evidence, and no one replied to that question. I will accept I might be mistaken, if anyone provides such evidence.

[Lerkfish]

53. um, its a google search. einstein

I don't pick what shows up or the order.

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[reggie the dog]

31. I saw the video

and I saw him make jokes about having seen the same guy in LA, as if protesting things again and again is to be ridiculed.

[jenmito]

47. He joked because, as he said, he's on the guy's SIDE and just yesterday he worked with

congress to try to pass DADT THIS WEEK if possible! He joked that if the guy wants to protest someone he should go protest someone who DISAGREES with repealing DADT! :eyes:

[CakeGrrl]

49. You saw what you wanted to see to keep the President on your bad side

If you had been willing to HEAR the President, he made the point that the guy should be protesting against someone who DOESN'T agree with getting DADT repealed. Rational statement...isn't that the point of a true protest, rather than admonishing someone to simply hurry it up?

But all you choose to take from it is the President is making fun of a protester. If you choose to edit reality to suit your negative view, that's on you.

[Cha]

32. It's just a way to get yet another cheap shot in.

[jgraz]

2. Who's "Senator Boxter"?

And is her first name Portia?

[Cha]

3. Thanks impik..I can see why he says that..

with all the lies and cheap shots swirling around him.

[CakeGrrl]

5. When Teabaggers and Progressives unite to help drum out a Dem president

and allow another Republican back to power, maybe then some will be reminded about what the differences truly are between Bush and Obama.

:eyes:

Too bad that's what it sometimes takes.

[reggie the dog]

8. well that would prove that the center is not where it's at

and perhaps after 4 years of teabagger right wing we could get Kucinch style left wing policies..... just saying, if Obama is repub lite then I have a reason to ask for Democrat. Plus dont worry, the dems will not lose the house, the senate and presidential elections in 2012 so they can just block anything the teabaggers will try.

[reggie the dog]

10. If he would work for common people and his base

perhaps he would feel more appreciated. As a teacher i dont appreciate him, as a peace activist i dont appreciate him, as someone who wants cannabis and all drugs legalized I dont appreciate him, as someone who wants the patriot acts repealed i dont appreciate him and as someone who will not push to let gays openly serve in the military or let gays marry i do not appreciate him... what is he better than W on? abortion???? anything else???

[dionysus]

12. i had no idea you didn't appreciate him.... until just now...

:rofl:

[reggie the dog]

34. keep laughing

your head is either in the sand or you mock people that want a liberal for president. Get out of the usa more and you will realize that the left in the usa is farther right than the right wing in most of Europe.

[CakeGrrl]

15. If you don't think we're headed, on the whole, in a better direction

than we were 3 years ago, then we don't have much to discuss.

Everyone wants results now. No one seems to want to acknowledge what has been said over and over: That it's going to take work and won't happen immediately.

As he just told a heckler over DADT: THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. It's ironic that those who are most likely to claim that others believe the President is magical are really the ones who expect that he'll wave his magic wand over the mess created by years of bad policy and make it all go away before he's even finished a first term. Never mind having a bloc of Republicans committed to stonewalling major legislation to help make him fail.

[reggie the dog]

35. what is there to work on? we control the legislature

just include the words "sexual orientation" in the civil rights act and bam, no need to repeal dadt because gays would have equality, plus marriage and adoption would be fixed for them too....

where are we better?
Iraq, not better
afghanistan, not better
drug war, not better
partiot acts, not better
guantanamo style prisons, not better
ecology, not better
education, not better
wall street regulation, not better
gay rights, not better

[CakeGrrl]

42. So tell it to the legislature, since they draft what the President will sign

Again, your list is about scorecards. You choose not to look at the direction we're taking but instead focus on whether they're fixed or solved.

Will you revise your position as actions occur to improve those things? My guess, since you are steadfastly ignoring the fact that the President SAID that DADT was being worked on, is no.

[reggie the dog]

45. yes i will,

once laws that actually address the issues are voted i will revise my positions, the difference i make is that i consider obama a blue dog and part of the problem. on dadt he is opposed by blue dogs so i will give him that much. i just wished that obama had the party discipline that w, his daddy, and reagan had.

[NJmaverick]

23. If it weren't for all the money that President Obama has sunk into eduction

you wouldn't even have a job, but why let the facts get in the way of your anti-Obama rant

[reggie the dog]

33. how is my job in France related to the USA in any way???

Yes I teach to american kids, but it is the french "education nationale" which pays my salary. And over here we dont blame teachers in poor areas for poor results and then cut funding, here in France we actually give more funding to schools in rough areas.

[Tarheel_Dem]

61. You're in fuckin' France? Why should I or anyone here give a flying fuck

what you think of US policies? You're much better off where you are, please stay there.

[reggie the dog]

62. you should care because

you can get a foreign perspective, plus american is one of my 2 nationalities

[Tarheel_Dem]

64. Well sounds to me as if you're tons more satisfied with your "FRENCH" nationality.

By the way, are you guys still telling Muslim women what they can and cannot wear in public?

[DevonRex]

25. Gee. I'm common people and I'm his base. Yet, I appreciate him.

:shrug:

[reggie the dog]

36. I can respect that you are happy with what he is doing

and I honestly ask you for discussions sake to tell me why. Perhaps I am too pessimistic and am seeing the glass half empty. Do you see it as half full? if so why? (this is not sarcasm, I really want to know why, hell you may even convince me to see your way.

[DevonRex]

38. He's ending DADT. The economy could have collapsed but it didn't.

We're getting out of Iraq. He said Afghanistan was the right war and he meant it. He got HCR passed even though it wasn't all I had hoped for or any of us had hoped for. Considering the blue dogs, I don't see how anything more could have been done, though.

Mostly, I just understand that we have an uphill fight within our own party on the issues we would like to have addressed. Jim Webb, for instance, on DADT. He says he's voting against it. And then there are the teabaggers and RW Republicans. You total all that up and it's very, very hard to get anything done.

So, I'm unhappy about a lot of things but I don't lay all that at the feet of 1 man, even if he is the president.

By the way, that banter up thread wasn't about you. Once Dion and I start bantering, it takes on a life of its own.

[reggie the dog]

43. ok

afghanistan i guess i disagree with the president

if we actually get out of iraq i will be very happy

HCR was a sham but I agree that is the fault of liberman and the blue dogs

the thing is i often get the idea that obama is a blue dog too, but i knew he was no liberal like kucinich

i think you are right about laying the blame at the feet of the blue dogs who block actual progressive reform, i just hoped that obama would have had same party discipline like the republicans have had since reagan.

[DevonRex]

46. You and I both wish that.

I have relatives in the deep south and I realize the only Dems that can get elected there are blue dogs. But there's got to be some way to enforce party discipline. I don't know what it is, though. Sometimes I wonder if Harry Reid is just not tough enough for the job.

[dionysus]

52. is that cruise missle dust on your collar?! let me dip a corner of my napkin in this latte and get

rid of that ;)

[DevonRex]

60. Thank you. Next think you know I'll be revealing that I went to a...

PRIVATE SCHOOL!!!!

[jenmito]

48. "... what is he better than W on? abortion???? anything else???"

For one thing, he IS actively working with Congress to repeal DADT which is exactly what he told the heckler. He also is allowing federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. He also signed the Lilly Ledbetter Act-equal work for equal pay. He also passed health care reform, which now makes insurance companies cover people with pre-existing conditions. He also is getting tough on Wall St., putting new regulations on the banks, etc. And that's just off the top of my head. You sound ridiculous.

[treestar]

20. I appreciate him too

He is a hard worker!

[reggie the dog]

37. cheney worked hard too

i dont appreciate him,

what has Obama done that you like? (this is not snark this is an honest question)

[Cha]

50. cheney worked on hard on destroying this country so

your shot about cheney doesn't work here.

[reggie the dog]

57. its not a shot

i asked an honest question

[Cha]

59. President Obama and Team have been working Hard

to undo all the "hard work" cheney had all those years to pillage and plunder.

[reggie the dog]

63. you are absolutely correct

sometimes i forget just how messed up the USA was when obama got elected.