Does Sestak have a right to be pissed?

[KansasVoter]

Don't freak out yet......

If he thought Specter was a horrible, fake democratic and wanted to beat him and get a real progressive in office, and then the White House tried to talk him out of it and maybe pressured him to drop out and offered him a job, I can understand why he would be pissed.

If he was sick of old Washington politics, and then had that happen, I would understand him holding hard feelings.

I don't know the story but I am sure the lack of support for his run and the comments from the party behind the scenes pissed him off.

Lets face it, it is worth finding out what happened. If it was the Bush GOP doing this we would all be wanting to know the truth also.

[LeftyAndProud60]

1. He's a selfish fuck who doesn't deserve the nomination. he threw his pres under the bus for polical

gain. Fuck him.

[jillan]

4. Why did Sestak even have to tell about this deal if he knew it would hurt Obama.

I'm losing respect for him over this.

[LeftyAndProud60]

11. becuz he knew it could help him win. That's all he cared about. NT

[treestar]

55. then if he gets into the Senate where would he be, too?

He must be an idiot.

[MH1]

76. He was supposed to lie? Or dodge the question?

WH should have thought about that before approaching him in this manner. There was no way in hell Sestak would've taken any deal.

I don't think Sestak is 'pissed' but I think he chose not to lay down in front of the bus when he had to choose between lying, being hammered for dodging, or simply telling the truth.

I seriously doubt the WH cares much about this either. Issa is making this a big deal because they hope to hurt Sestak and help the GOP win PA. There was an offer also made to that guy in Colorado, but why isn't Issa et al even talking about THAT? Because they are more interested in getting Toomey into office, that is why.

[Unvanguard]

6. I voted for him, but if this gets much worse I'll start regretting it. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

7. Oh that's way over the top. Sestak is a retired Admiral and, to me, an as honorable person

as our President. Whomever offered him the position should be fired.

Or does a moral compass mean nothing to the party as long as "our boys and girls" are in charge?

[LeftyAndProud60]

13. This went on under Bush, and I didn't care about it then. NT

[ShortnFiery]

17. I don't blame him for stating given the SIT: The entire ruling democratic "establisment" had ...

decided to support the faux-democrat Spector. He told the truth and that's fine by me. :thumbsup:

[freddie mertz]

49. Agreed! nt.

[treestar]

56. Was he unqualified for the position?

You are pretty consistent when it comes to the POTUS, just like a Republican.

[Chef Eric]

41. Right, Sestak is selfish, as opposed to the Obama Administration...

who didn't give a shit if we Pennsylvanians were stuck with a completely untrustworthy DINO that we have been trying to get rid of for decades.

[freddie mertz]

50. + 1000000. And thank god they lost, and lost big. nt.

[treestar]

57. Well now if he wins, he is going to have very little influence

in the Senate. He is willing to create problems for his own party. This does no favors to Pennsylvania.

[Beacool]

58. The same president who threw HIM first under the bus?

:shrug:

[treestar]

60. the President has the right to support someone else

Just like anyone else.

Sestak was not entitled to support from everyone.

[Beacool]

62. Tue, but Sestak was entitled to run despite the administration's objections.

It may not be good P.R. for them that they were caught practicing "politics as usual", but if it's the truth, then too bad for them.

Or are we supposed to accept anything that comes out of the WH simply because the current president is a Democrat? Doesn't anyone else see the hypocrisy in all of this? If this had been Bush, people here would be all over his butt over this issue and the Gulf spill too.

;-)

[treestar]

64. He was entitled to and did

He turned down the job.

I would not have cared if Bush did this either. I did not disapprove of every single action Bush took. The main ones that I did not care for were egregious enough.

[Beacool]

67. I agree, I don't much care either.

It's just that the hypocrisy drives me batty. They defend Obama for the same things that they would have ripped apart a Republican.

:D

[golfguru]

85. Support? Of course! Quid pro quo? I am not so sure. n/t

[Beacool]

61. Self delete, wrong spot.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

74. I strongly disagree. They threw *HIM* under the bus by supporting a fake Democrat/Republican

or whatever he was, over the true Democrat who had been loyal to the party. Despite that fact, when Sestak would do interviews, he never said anything untoward against the president, the VP, or Rendell. He made the point that the people--not the party establishment--has the right to decide who they want to represent them.

And I think that's a very valid point.

[MH1]

78. Exactly.

I can't believe how many so-called liberals think Sestak should have lied or stonewalled. He answered the question but refused to give details. What else could he have honorably done?

[MH1]

77. Oh bullshit. WH is the one who approached him with a deal he would never take

Why should he lie for them?

[golfguru]

84. Why did Sestak go public about the job offer from WH?

His honesty got in the way!

I admire him for his courage and honesty. His poll numbers
have jumped amongst independents by a big margin. So he is on
the winning track and will defeat Toomey in November.

[scheming daemons]

2. Every administration since George Washington has offered jobs for political reasons

...and there's nothing inappropriate about it.


This is a tempest in a teapot.

[jenmito]

10. And Sestak would've been QUALIFIED for the job, unlike anyone BUSH offered jobs to. n/t

[Captain Hilts]

20. I agree. But Specter is a bad candidate for age and health reasons. He'd lose in November. nt

[marshall]

46. This was more ham-handed, needed more winks and nods

Jobs have no doubt been offered, but if Sestak can be believed, whoever gave him the offer and spelled out the details was too blatant about it. Whoever made the offer needed to just offer the job WITHOUT spelling out that it was contingent on dropping out of the primary. A wink and a nod would make it obvious that dropping out was expected, but it's not mentioned so that that the administration would have plausible deniability if the shit hits the fan.

It's basically a conflict of DC vs. Chicago politics.

[countingbluecars]

3. Sestak is a real progressive? n/t

[Unvanguard]

5. I don't care whether he was angry, or whether he had a right to be angry.

The important point is, he should have been quiet about it: it's how politics works, often enough, but it's also an excuse for people to attack and try to bring down the Obama Administration, which is exactly what they're trying to do now.

And, no, I don't think we need to investigate. Presidents make political appointments all the time: Republicans, Democrats, whatever. What of it?

[ShortnFiery]

8. Why should he be quiet? Because political POWER trumps TRUTH?

Because LOYALTY requires that we STFU when immoral acts are done? No matter how small, offering Sestak a position is immoral. It may not be illegal but it is considered unsound.

For the life of me, I don't understand fellow democrats believing that EVERYTHING our Administration does is to be defended UNCONDITIONALLY.

You folks are, with sincere respect, acting as cut-throat as right wingers - demanding unquestioning loyalty is not what I consider "a democratic value."

[Unvanguard]

16. Because loyalty requires that we STFU about things that will be ridiculously overblown.

If we had a rational media climate and political situation, you'd be right. But we don't.

[ShortnFiery]

22. He was in the middle of a contested primary where the democratic establishment had

abandoned him. He owed them NOTHING at that time.

Loyalty does not trump "morality" and "truth" in my view of democratic values.

[Unvanguard]

23. Oh, he doesn't owe anything to THEM specifically.

But, like all of us, he owes something to the good of the Democratic Party, which, considering what the Republicans are like, is more or less synonymous with the good of the country.

Helping to bring down the Obama Administration harms the Democratic Party, it harms progressive policy aims, it does nothing except help the Republican efforts to destroy our country even more. That has nothing to do with "morality" or "truth."

[ShortnFiery]

28. Politics may be hardball but this isn't the f**king mafia.

The TRUTH comes before party loyalty. The Party had abandoned Sestak at the time - loyalty doesn't apply.

[Unvanguard]

29. It's not ABOUT him and his offended feelings, justified or not.

It's about stopping the Republicans and doing what we can with these four years in the White House.

[ShortnFiery]

32. No, our enemy is the marriage of government and corporations, not just the GOP.

The republicans are all right wing and not on our side, but many democrats are also smarmy and beholden to the corporations before the people.

TRUTH is a great disinfectant for both parties.

[PassingFair]

75. I think you got him throught the heart, Shorty....

good skirmish!

[golfguru]

86. +1000 n/t

[DatManFromNawlins]

35. loyalty for the sake of loyalty is for idiots

The man saw a problem in his state and his country, decided to run to fix the problem, and the administration of "hope" and "change" stood in his way with the same backdoor political bullshit that has been plaguing this nation for decades.

It's like you want a steak, and this guy walks over to you and offers to sell you a hamburger, because he thinks your palate really isn't sophisticated enough to be worthy of steak.

[OhioBlue]

26. what I don't understand

is some dems trying to find fault with everything Obama does and then... to pretend that if Bush did the same thing we would be outraged... Bull Shit.

IF someone from the WH offered Sestak a position that he was qualified for - it isn't immoral at all. If/when Bush did it - I wouldn't even have paid attention to it. this is all BS and being blown so out of proportion it is just ridiculous.

This isn't about unquestioning loyalty.. this is about reality. Sestak is an opportunistic douche for trying to make an issue out of it. If there was something truly immoral or illegal going on.. I wouldn't want unquestioning loyalty... but this situation is BS.

The Dem party should be a little bit loyal to each other and have each others backs when it comes to petty crap that the Republicans would love to blow out of proportion.

[Unvanguard]

27. Exactly! n/t

[ShortnFiery]

33. There was ZERO loyalty to Sestak when he was left hung out to dry by establishment democrats.

No, they didn't earn his respect - they abandoned him for a pseudo-democrat.

[AllentownJake]

39. Oh bullshit

If Joe would have given a firm answer of whether or not he was running before the party switch it would have never happened.

He sat on the fence while being courted for months.

If the party switch never happened Josh Shapiro would be the progressive hero and Joe Sestak the establishment party machine candidate.

Joe has the nomination and my support but let us not rewrite history.

[MH1]

82. Sestak didn't 'try to make an issue out of it'

where are all you guys getting your talking points anyway?

Do you really want to fuck over PA with Toomey as senator? I'm starting to think so.

[golfguru]

87. Toomey is not going to win...Sestak's stock went up a lot

after he went public with the job offer. That is why
independents have switched by a big margin to Sestak over Toomey.

[Dinger]

73. Damn, I Wish I Had Your Nerve

But I don't. I can say that I agree with you 100%.

[MH1]

81. Thank you for your sanity.

[Drunken Irishman]

9. Right to be pissed why?

Did the WH make his campaign unwinnable for turning down the offer? Did Sestek lose anything? Did the WH mock and campaign hard against him?

All nos. He has no right to be pissed. The WH did nothing wrong. They offered. He rejected. End of story.

[ShortnFiery]

15. The WH wi. the Democratic Establishment did their best to make Sestak obselete and we all know it.

;)

[Teaser]

31. so what?

politicians don't act on history. not if they're good politicians.

[DatManFromNawlins]

36. Because his constituents should choose their Senator

And not the administration. That's why.

How the fuck can people on this board cry about a lack of representation of the people by the people and then turn around and claim that Sestak is a douchebag because he wouldn't bow down to Washington's wishes? The Democrats of the state of Pennsylvania WANTED HIM. To hell with what Washington, the DNC, or the DLC thinks. They're secondary to the people.

[AllentownJake]

40. I voted for Arlen

because knowing what I've known about Sestak for a year, I think he will blow-up.

That and Joe is a warmonger.

[Teaser]

44. make me fucking care.

That's how politics is played: by making deals. Does it subvert the will of the people?

No. Because there is no will of the people until an election happens. It is restricting the candidate pool, yes. But Sestak didn't have to take the offer, and didn't take the offer. Nothing was forced on him or Pennsylvania constituents.

[jenmito]

12. No-he's playing games. He should either tell the whole story or NONE of it. n/t

[LeftyAndProud60]

14. I hated Specter, but he really did become a reliable Dem. And w/ the votes he made, there is no

way he would've ever went back to the GOP.

[ShortnFiery]

18. Are you kidding? Specter is, and always has been a republican at heart.

I don't get this - it's insane. We have an honorable and honest man who is a democrat!

What? Did you also want Lieberman for re-election to senate over the DEMOCRAT?

Unbelievable.

[treestar]

59. He had become a Democrat and would have been a reliable vote

Now, if Sestak wins, we have someone we don't trust.

Stupid. And you know how the Senate works from the health care debate.

One Senator, even if he were a progressive (which Sestak is not) cannot save you from your corporate overlords or whatever. All you do is hand power to the Republicans - which sometimes appears to be your goal.

[Captain Hilts]

19. And his age and health would ensure he'd lose in November. nt

[stray cat]

21. I haven't decided who was the stupid idiot yet - Sestak or the White House

I don't know Sestak - why should I give his statement any more credence that anyone elses?

[HCE1947]

24. Obama brought in the Sultan of Sleaze

and now he is paying for it. This reeks of Emanuel, and he probably just addled up to Adm. Sestak and said, "Get the f--- out of the race and you can be Secretary of the Navy."

I support President Obama, but I have no use for Emanuel and his ilk. One of the reasons that I supported Obama over Hillary Clinton is because if Clinton had won, the inmates like Emanuel and Carville would be running the asylum. Obama is better than that, and he should show his chief the door and bring in someone who above that.

Remember, Emanuel tried to convince Obama to drop the health care bill, and when he failed at that, he convince him to drop the public option. We have no friend in the WH with Emanuel.

Sestak is a principled man, and that is why he brought it up in the first place. He was offended, as he should have been, by the offer.

I support Adm. Sestak on this, but I think that he too should tell his side of the story. He needs to clear the air and focus on another sleazy politician in the general, Pat Toomey.

[leftynyc]

68. Another Rahm is the devil rant

When are you morons going to realize that the COS does NOTHING without the approval of the White House? If Rahms hands are dirty, it's because Pres Obama wanted to keep his own clean (and rightly so).

[zulchzulu]

25. Sestack tried to be a Teatard withour realizing he made his own trap

If he was smart, he would have never mentioned "the deal" whether it happened or not. He now is part of the investigation he essentially started.

He's AS STUPID as Rand Paul.

[Teaser]

30. Why should anyone care?

Whatever happened, it was normal politics. And in politics, once you've won, you move on and enemies become friends.

He should know how to play the game by now.

[Orangepeel]

34. No. He was offered a job. They didn't threaten to kill his dog.

He said "no" and that would have been the end of it, if Sestak hadn't brought it up himself.

The White House was trying to get something done with a less than cooperative congress packed with plenty of horrible fake democrats. If supporting Specter was a way to do that, were they not supposed to because it was "old Washington politics?" Supporting Sestak, waiting until next January, and hoping none of the other non-horrible democrats lost, would have been better?

Sestak had a right to run and I'm glad he won. But if being offered a job pissed him off, he's... well, let's say "too sensitive."

[TreasonousBastard]

37. Not only has he no right to be pissed, but he should be tarred and feathered and...

we should thank whatever gods we believe in (or don't) that he wasn't in charge when a real shootin' war was goin' on at sea. How could the pressure of a primary and being "abandoned by the party" cause him to lose it? We had admirals in the 40's who felt the pressure of Yamamoto while seemingly abandoned in the Pacific and didn't lose it.


And now that he opened it up, the honorable Admiral won't follow it up by apologizing for mispeaking about a misunderstanding or telling us just who the hell offered him what job

A real Hobson's choice there-- a renegade Republican who openly switched parties to keep his job and a retired Admiral who doesn't have the sense of a good hunting dog. The ex-Republican, however, did know a little bit about how things work in Washington and could come through in a pinch should he so desire. The retired Admiral so far seems to be less than ready for prime time and the fear is that he will be ineffective and lose his seat in short order.

This is politics, which is not pretty and is not about anything in a civics textbook-- it is about power and how to get things done. The entire point of our Constitution is that you can't trust anyone so there are checks and balances. Does that suck? Yes it sucks, but it was true long before Caesar was stabbed, and it means politicians who can't control their yaps can't get anything done.

[AllentownJake]

38. Sestak is a walking train wreck

Everyone in PA who is actively involved outside of his office knows that.

Hey, we tried to warn you.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

42. My surmisals

I think Sestak saw this as his year to run for Senator, probably long before Specter switched. He didn't think Arlen was the best candidate (switch, age, health, etc.) and left lots of room for someone else to run - him. This line of thinking was not in line with the White House's, who wanted to clear the path for Specter. Someone was delegated to deal with Sestak. Whoever it was and whatever they offered wasn't enough to do the trick and Sestak stayed in. Perhaps at this point the envoy switched from making nice and offering a carrot (job) to getting mad and offering sticks (threats) like - you'll never see a dime of DSCC funds, DNC funds, we'll put you on the Septic System undercommittee, etc.( remember, this is strictly my own imagination at work).

I can see Sestak getting angry at that point at an attempt to run him out of a race he thinks is his to win. So he says not just NO! but Hell No! and then decides to work the "outsider" angle. He's not the inside Washington choice, he's his own guy, heck they tried to to finagle me away, but I'm on the side of the little guy, etc. etc. The he drops the "they offered me a position" bomb (which may not be a bomb at all, depending on how suavely it was presented) without fully realizing the consequences of his claim.

Now all the chickens have come home to roost for everyone. My personal feeling is that the White House had no business trying to muscle anybody out, but it's my impression that kind of stuff goes on all the time in primaries. Usually the technique seems to be just throwing all the money at the preferred candidate. These boards are full of stories about the DCCC and DSCC and the DNC being far more approving towards the DLC, New Democrat type. So they met someone who didn't play nice with them just like they don't play nice sometimes. Sestak is a loose cannon. Maybe that's not such a bad thing, occasionally.

Anyway, like I keep saying, I can't understand the slowness of the White House in shutting this story down. Anyone here could craft a strong defense for them.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

69. OK, my sumisals were wrong on almost every count.

Sounds like nice low key overtures from Clinton that Sestak blew up into a huge Zepplin of nothingness.

Sestak is the one coming out looking bad at this point in my opinion.

[MH1]

83. Don't fall into the trap - Sestak didn't blow anything up, it is the right wingers

who have apparently had a little success on this allegedly liberal discussion forum.

Sestak only answered yes when pushed on a question. What the FUCK was his choice? (ok now I am getting pissed, after reading this thread. Sestak had a choice to a) lie, b) get hammered for dodging something HE DIDN'T EVEN START, or c) TELL THE TRUTH.

so why, when it is DARRELL FUCKING ISSA and his cronies making this a big deal, you all want to blame Sestak?

[mdmc]

43. He should disclose who bribed him and send (rham) to jail..

[Inuca]

45. Bribed?!?!?!

I hope you are kidding (but I am afraid you are not)

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

47. You know, Specter himself pretty much told Sestak to "put up or shut up"

I've been doing a little reading to try to figure out if this is something to really be concerned about or not. Because the Republicans are on this like a pit bull, it will be something to be concerned about, regardless of whether it is really something to be concerned about, if you get my drift.

At any rate, when the story broke, Specter himself said it was a very serious charge, very disturbing, etc. Then he threw out a huge grenade at Sestak by talking about there is such a thing as "misprision" of a felony which is essentially not reporting a felonious incident even if you were the intended victim. He did this on a radio show. So Specter was telling Sestak that he could essentially go down for the count by attempting to make political hay but not making an actual complaint. Now all the right wingnutty blogs are all over this - "misprision" is their word for the day. This link to Fox News shows this stuff has been perculating since March with Issa, the whole "White House has committed a felony" stuff.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/13/gop-lawmaker-white-house-job-offer-sestak-crime/

It is a DISGRACE that Gibbs and the White House Communication people have not shut this down with an effective and credible response long before now and are just allowing this to inflate to larger proportions daily. Two months is more than enough time to get their story/act together. If someone needs to resign, let them.

[freddie mertz]

48. Yes, he did. But he outfoxed them and cleaned their clock.

But now it's time to get this story off the news.

Come clean, guys.

[ChiciB1]

51. I KNOW I Heard The "Job" Story Some Time Ago & My Reaction Was

kind of like how I felt about Joe Lie-Berman! WH backed him even when so many here supported Ned Lamont!

We will see if Sestak is a "snake" I don't know, but FWIW I DO feel Lie-berman is a SNAKE, so some of the decisions the WH has been making as to WHO they want to back don't make me feel all the comfortable

Now, it's Blanche Lincoln they want and I say again, I just have to WONDER! I was only born in PA but left when I was young, but I don't really trust RAHM... didn't even BEFORE the election of OBAMA, so again I wonder WHY this type of thing is happening.

I'm even hearing AGAIN this AM how much better Lincoln will be for AK, so I again am scratching my head! Of course, I live in FL and we don't have many choices here, and I FREELY admit that I'm taking a long hard look at Crist!

NEVER would I have thought I would be doing that, but RUBIO scares the s--t out of me and I will do just about ANYTHING to burst his bubble. I emailed Crist that I was "thinking" about backing him, but am waiting to see what he's going to do about this Abortion Bill. Told him that almost ALL of my family lives here, we are ALL Democrats and we could possibly throw our support to him! BUT WE ARE WATCHING!

I have heard VERY, VERY little from MEEK, but I do know he's a DLC type and there are times he looks more to the "right" of Chawlie! One other beef I have with Chawlie is that most here know that he IS GAY, and I have NO PROBLEM with that! I just wish he would FINALLY come out and put it all to rest!! I know many Democratic Floridians have an issue with this too! And there are times when I suspect that Chawlie may switch parties. That also shows another flaw for me, because it makes him look very "opportunistic" by simply sticking his finger up and following where the wind blows!

But then I have felt Bill Nelson has done that for years too! Lately Nelson has made me feel a little better, but I can't say he will still be the best person in my corner!

But back to the Sestak issue, I say just get the thing over with! Maybe someone else would have been better to run against Specter, but his age and the fact that he has had health issues in the past would have been a real factor for me. Plus, he DID actually say he SWITCHED because he wanted to win! That WAS honest, but it made me feel uncomfortable. I have seen Specter throughout the years, heard him talk a good talk, but when it came down to voting at times he was with the Repukes many, many times! And I can't forget the Thomas Supreme Court situation! Even today he won't say he'll back KAGAN, but Kagan could be a problem too! THAT I REALLY don't know!

Too much CRAP is going on, and I'm really not crazy about RAHM and find him distasteful! ALWAYS HAVE! I even said it long before Obama was elected so this is not a new thing for me! Perhaps ONE OF THESE DAYS, Rahm is going to get CAUGHT up in his behind the scene manipulations, but I'm NOT holding my breath! He kind of makes my skin crawl!

[WeDidIt]

52. Sestak is a Center-Right Opportunist

He's an insider who needed to run as an outsider so he floated the "I can't be bought" bullshit.

And yes, he's Center-Right. Anybody who thought they were getting an actual progressive out of Sestak is out of their cotton picking minds.

[olegramps]

53. Just how many Admirals are progressives?

[treestar]

54. Is he a real progressive?

Would he march in lockstep with Kucinich or Feingold?

If the Repuke wins, I reserve the right to be pissed at him.

[Beacool]

63. Oh, the outrage!!!!

How dare someone be angry by the efforts of the administration to derail his candidacy? Particularly since the guy they were pushing was a backstabbing weasel who should have retired with some modicum of grace instead of switching parties to attempt to remain in office.

Think if instead of Obama the president had been Bush. Would you have thought that the administration's conduct was appropriate?

Ahhhh........

:eyes:



:7

[TheKentuckian]

65. No, but neither does the White House or Democrats in general

have any case for a beef with Sestak.

The Administration was too desperate to pass the Wealthcare and Profit Protection Act and reeled old Arlen in and he has been fairly decent in comparison to the rest of the caucus in the Senate but I believe those votes stayed true mostly due to the pressure of a primary and that anyone who thought Arlen would stay in line with a six year run and no pressure to be re-elected is probably much more of an optimist than I can muster.

Sestak's status as a liberal is greatly overblown and he will no doubt be MIC friendly but not necessarily more so than Arlen and overall over the next term, my guess is I'd be generally more satisfied than with Specter across the greatest range of issues.
I've always like Arlen more than most pukes, even before they melted down into utter insanity over the past 15-17 years or so but I don't trust the guy much at all and can't fathom why ANYONE would regardless of where you are ideologically.
Of course I don't live in PA so it doesn't matter too much what I think but my gut has been with Joe the whole way here. He may be of little account but then how much mileage would we get out of a recycled puke?

Let's get real here 95% or more of the "problem" is crossing Obama and making him look bad for looking shady. Hell, it might even lead to a Rahm ditching and we'll all be better off, including the President.
Why circle the wagons to protect dead weight when you can best limit the damage by clearing dead wood?

This is a perfect time to throw Salazar and Rahm from the train and hire folks that care about the Democratic party and the American people.

Why waste these gifts? Use circumstances to upgrade the cabinet and improve relations with the left by bringing in guys like Dean and RFK Jr for these spots and upgrade both areas with better suited and more palatable people in these key positions.

[ChiciB1]

72. I'm LATE With My Kudos "Kentuckian" But I Agree With What You're Saying! n/t

[Enrique]

66. i don't care about their feelings

i don't have any reason to believe that Sestak is any more pure than anyone else in politics. His revealing the deal was I assume for political reasons just as much as the White House.

But I don't like these deals and i like to see politicians pay a price for doing government this way.

[Phx_Dem]

70. Absolutely not. He stupidly started the whole thing and it blew up in his face.

He was trying to stick to the WH and he stuck to himself.

Now he can deal with it.

[MH1]

80. No, THEY started it.

Did they expect him to lie when asked a direct question?

If so, they can live with the consequences, because they should have known better.

ETA: you do realize he only answered an interview question, right? was he supposed to lie?

[catgirl]

71. Usual suspects in a flame thread n/t

[MH1]

79. Yep. :)