Presidential math

[FailingParachute]

This is what then candidate Obama said on 7/14/08:

"As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan. ..."

Yesterday, he opted to send 30,000 troops there.

Normally, a brigade is anywhere from 4-5k troops.

In this case, Obama is (initially) sending SIX brigades.

Bush the Idiot (elder) used to call it "fuzzy math."

Oh wait, I see....he said "at least", so that means he really isn't fibbing, right?

Well, except for the new strategy part, which is of course Bush The Sequel With Better Syntax.

Sometimes it's hard for an old man like me to understand the nuances of illegal wars and such.

And I seem to have lost my LBJ/Vietnam pro-war pom poms as well - that's a shame, because they're in fashion again now.

[VMI Dem]

1. He has adopted the Bush Doctrine.

War for Peace!

[tridim]

3. Obama REJECTED the Bush Doctrine.

Read the speech.

[valerief]

4. Count the troops. nt

[tridim]

5. The Bush Doctrine is about endless war for no reason.

The Obama plan is about getting the hell out.

[valerief]

7. So we should get out, not escalate. But War is Peace. nt

[tridim]

8. We are getting out.

Read the speech.

[valerief]

11. I heard it. So we should get out, not send more to get out. I don't want the oil or heroin myself.nt

[FailingParachute]

14. December 8, 1969

"At a news conference, President Richard Nixon says that the Vietnam War is coming to a "conclusion as a result of the plan that we have instituted." Nixon had announced at a conference in Midway in June that the United States would be following a new program he termed "Vietnamization."

Under the provisions of this program, South Vietnamese forces would be built up so they could assume more responsibility for the war. As the South Vietnamese forces became more capable, U.S. forces would be withdrawn from combat and returned to the United States. In his speech, Nixon pointed out that he had already ordered the withdrawal of 60,000 U.S. troops. Concurrently, he had issued orders to provide the South Vietnamese with more modern equipment and weapons and increased the advisory effort, all as part of the "Vietnamization" program. As Nixon was holding his press conference, troops from the U.S. 25th Infantry Division (less the Second Brigade) began departing from Vietnam."



Everything old is new again.

Stop dreaming.

[FailingParachute]

9. Why, because he put a date on it?

So did Bush The Idiot (younger) eventually.

Let me guess, he's going to help make the Afghan people stand up so we can stand down.

That's a new one, eh?

[tridim]

12. Bush is a neocon, he had no intention of ever leaving Iraq or Afghanistan.

Obama is not, and he has an exit plan. Iraq is already drawing down.

BTW, got a link for Bush's exit plan?

[FailingParachute]

15. Gosh, he only mentioned it with every third mangled word out of his mouth the last two years

he was in office.

I guess, though, if somebody writes it down that makes it much more extra special.

Oh, and didn't Gates say today the timetable probably couldn't be met?

But it's IN WRITING, so it's REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Milo_Bloom]

6. He rejected it by following it.

Hmmmmm

[tridim]

10. "Exit plan" is not even in the Neocon vocabulary. nt

[Milo_Bloom]

17. Course it was.

It is amazing the lies we tell ourselves when we want so desperately to believe that our guy is different.

[Techn0Girl]

13. WTF - DO you even know what the Bush doctrine is?

It's creating a preemptive war to AVOID potential problems.
That's the Bush doctrine. Not going to war to stop a threat...going to war to stop what "might be" a threat in the future.

And if you listened to Obama's speech he directly said that he is doing just that.
I truly do not expect you to understand this.

[John Q. Citizen]

2. War is Peace - Didn't you know?

[Phx_Dem]

16. Once you become President, you can NEVER ever change your mind about

the details of a plan you laid out during a campaign. Especially when it involves war -- because facts and what's happening on the ground never changes during a during war doncha know.

:puke:

[FailingParachute]

18. So his "exit strategy" that so many here are in love with

is subject to change as well?

As are the number of troops who will be sent?

And the number who will needlessly die?

Interesting.