Just using logic - the President must be doing right, if both sides

[question everything]

attack him.

Just saying

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[eleny]

1. Just having seen that asserted on Olberman, I say bullshit

[MercutioATC]

2. That old chestnut is complete bullshit.

Child molestation will piss off a lot of people. That doesn't make it a good thing to do.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

3. So, if he bit the head off a kitten on TV... there are limits to that construction

[question everything]

7. You can always reduce anything ad absurum

I remember arguing with an editor about how the local paper was covering a hot local issue. And he commented that both sides were attacking him so he thought they were doing a good job..

[Clio the Leo]

4. Yep. NT

[Oregone]

5. Yes, because the left is wrong on everything

So whenever they attack him, he is correct.


Riiiiiight

[MissDeeds]

6. + 1

Right is wrong, wrong is right, the left is wrong, the centrists are right, escalation is the way out...war is the way to peace. :wtf:

[question everything]

9. I don't see the right embracing him, either

And, after his speech, it appeared that all the commentators on CNN attacked, too, which in most cases on DU would put him in a shining light.

[vaberella]

10. -1. Uh..based on the OP ----The right can say your same thing.

Which makes both the left and the right more alike than they would like to admit.

Your statement is lacking in significance.

[Oregone]

12. We all know the right is fucking ridiculous. Whether they are cheering or crying they are wrong

So their response is hardly of anyone's concern.

But to assert that whenever the left is also angry then Obama is doing the right thing, implies the left is always wrong when they complain.

Its just a stupid ass thing to post.

[vaberella]

8. Got to agree with you. Both sides hate him.

One saying he's sending more in. The other side saying he's giving ot an exit plan and taking troops out. He'll never be good enough.

[mikekohr]

13. When things are FUBAR'ed from the start

the path back becomes more painful. Afghanistan in 2001/2002 will go down in history as one of the greatest missed opportunities in recorded history.

Cheney was part of the crowd that abandoned the Afghans after they defeated the USSR. Bin Laden stepped into the vacumn.

mike kohr

[bigjohn16]

11. Attacking him? Palin, McCain, Lieberman, and Rove all said the troop increase is a good idea.

A few more and he'll have himself a grand old party.

[Oregone]

14. Add in Steele, my soul brother

[bigjohn16]

15. I will from this point on. Thanks. nt

[MissDeeds]

17. Good one

:applause:

[Zodiak]

16. Logical fallacy

You are not examining the issue on it's merits, but rather, by trying to approach the median as if it has merit intrinsically.

This construct easily breaks down as soon as one side starts to run far, far out on the end of the bell curve (the Republicans). Then you are chasing a median value that moves increasingly to the right. No one can doubt that the Republican party has moved far to the right in the last decade, and even father to the right in the last year.

If one side uses reasoned discourse, and the other is reflexively unreasonable in demands, the unreasonable ones control the debate.

Are you arguing that the many, many reasons the left has brought as to why this may be a mistake are all unreasonable discourse? If so, that is unfortunate because this site has many, many progressives who would not appreciate being dismissed as the equivalent of the lunitics on the right who want to blow the whole area to glass.

So we need to put this notion to bed. If you use the anger of the left and right as a barometer, you have moved too far to the right. The left put up with one escalation of this war without much complaint. They grudgingly gave up single payer. They put up with no EFCA. They are more than willing to be reasonable and getting nothing in return by a ubiquitous desire to piss them off.

Even your construct insists that the left MUST be pissed off. Wow...how is that different than anything else in the last 30 years in which this country went into the toilet?

What do you have on the right? Assholes determined to be as big an asshole as they can be. who would use them as a barometer to measure anything?

[question everything]

18. You are correct. This specific post does not look at the merit

which it says up front. Although I would say that even with the merit it will hold. I sometimes wonder, if DU existed in 1940, how many here would have supported joining Britain in saving Europe, even without the attack on Perl Harbor.

And, yes, this site often appears to be the mirror image of the lunatics on the right. Often posts here echo Bush "you are either with us or against us."

Why, do you think, there are so many recent posts asking what happened to DU? Nothing really happened. Both sides have had Robespierre types on a mad quest for political purity. Except that until the elections, on occasion we could unite in the goal to win majority in Congress and the White House. We even patched over the bitter fight during the primaries. (And Skinner's unrec system will make sure that only posts praising one candidate will ever make it to the "great" page. Another problem - why are DUers follow a herd mentality where they have to see what makes it to that page?)

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